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Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings
    #7004383 - 06/03/07 08:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

So here's the pictures of two loph sproutlings. There are now three of them that have sprouted up and those two only took about a week to sprout. There are two of these in one pot and one in another and I'm waiting to see whether more will come to life after the 2 week mark.

Anyhow my problem is that the larger of the two has now hit the plastic wrap that is covering it to keep in humidity and is starting to go sideways a little. I was wondering if this is a big issue...seems like it's not a great thing to have happen. I will most likely not mess with it and just see what happens unless the other two seedlings end up doing this as well.

Here's the pictures...they were taken about 4 days ago before the third one sprouted up...it's very difficult to take pictures of these things since they're underneath saran wrap.



UPDATE 6/25/07:
Hey I updated the pics at the bottom but figured I might as well put them up here...don't think it'll take you extra time to load the pics or anything so:



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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: PoC]
    #7004518 - 06/03/07 08:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

nice. can you legally get those seeds in the US?


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7004586 - 06/03/07 08:56 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Sadly no.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: ApacheShaman]
    #7004602 - 06/03/07 09:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

fuckin bastards.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: PoC]
    #7004610 - 06/03/07 09:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

just put a small stick or something into the dirt in the middle to make the plastic wrap more like a circus tent...it will keep the humidity up, and add an inch or so of room for the growing babies...

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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: supra]
    #7004731 - 06/03/07 09:25 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Hrm that's an idea. Would it be counterproductive to just go ahead and do that now? I feel like I have everything pretty sterile right now and I don't want to open it up if I don't have to, though I could use my glovebox to do it.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: PoC]
    #7004776 - 06/03/07 09:33 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

sterility isn't THAT big of problem. i didn't take ANY sterility measures when i grew my cactus from seed and Ive had no problems thus far. and they are almost an inch tall.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7005276 - 06/03/07 11:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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nice. can you legally get those seeds in the US?
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Sadly no.








Pretty sure places will ship them to you though. I just ordered 20 Lophophora Williamsii seeds from a certain ethnobotanical supplier online.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: Cakes]
    #7005380 - 06/03/07 11:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

^ i know a site that will ship the actual plants to the US but im not giving it out....too precious.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: ApacheShaman]
    #7005729 - 06/04/07 12:57 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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sterility isn't THAT big of problem. i didn't take ANY sterility measures when i grew my cactus from seed and Ive had no problems thus far. and they are almost an inch tall.




Does this apply as well when air circulation is cut off with the saran wrap over the pot method? I don't have any past experience with growing cactii, and coming from mush growing it seems like any nutritive material without air flow can get easily contaminated. I also smoke indoors here, which further worries me about sterility issues.

Thanks for your post and I hope you have a response to help me out.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: PoC]
    #7006469 - 06/04/07 07:54 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Are you sure you're giving them enough light. They might be stretching out like that because they are searching for light.

As for contams, LSDevin is right. It's not that much of a big deal. If you do get something growing there that you don't want just spray it with some fungicide and if you get sciarid flies, some insecticide. Just make sure you stop using the nasty chemicals once they have passed the seedling stage if you intend to harvest the Peyote. You can leave moss as it will happily grow alongside williamsii seedlings.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: Williamsii]
    #7006641 - 06/04/07 09:41 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Are you sure you're giving them enough light. They might be stretching out like that because they are searching for light.

As for contams, LSDevin is right. It's not that much of a big deal. If you do get something growing there that you don't want just spray it with some fungicide and if you get sciarid flies, some insecticide. Just make sure you stop using the nasty chemicals once they have passed the seedling stage if you intend to harvest the Peyote. You can leave moss as it will happily grow alongside williamsii seedlings.




there is some good info in there^^^

That’s correct but to be safe I wouldn’t use any chems. I normally just let everything grow along beside it and then after awhile I transplant em into one big pot and forget about humidity. I used it have a little plastic note card box that I would sprout the cactus in, and right when I see spines I like to repot em. Don’t worry about contams; they most likely wont kill any thing. And if it stats to look bad CARFULLY change out the soil. They are VERY fragile at this stage w/o a taproot.

EDIT: about the light, i would rather have streching then reding.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: PoC]
    #7006645 - 06/04/07 09:43 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Hrm that's an idea. Would it be counterproductive to just go ahead and do that now? I feel like I have everything pretty sterile right now and I don't want to open it up if I don't have to, though I could use my glovebox to do it.



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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: Cakes]
    #7006648 - 06/04/07 09:47 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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nice. can you legally get those seeds in the US?
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Sadly no.








Pretty sure places will ship them to you though. I just ordered 20 Lophophora Williamsii seeds from a certain ethnobotanical supplier online.




yes but wont most place put on thier package what they are shipping?


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: ApacheShaman]
    #7006806 - 06/04/07 11:18 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hey thanks for the information everyone. It's really nice to get some people with experience growing cactii's opinions. I probably do need to get a light dedicated to these guys...I meant to but am so poor right now. That being said it could go on today's itinerary for things to do.

I will take care to put a stick or something in my soil...I'm a little weary of it because of how fragile the things seem and I'm still hoping more will sprout...as well the one that has grown tallest is right about in the middle of the pot, but I'll figure it out.

Any more input would be awesome if there's any to be had. I will make sure to post some updated pictures that include all the sproutlings and also hopefully when I get it all set up a little nicer.

EDIT: By the way, I have no seeds to send anyone...I've gotten many PMs about this and I'm sorry but there are none left. They are VERY small and not uniquely identifiable though, so you might have good luck looking out of country for them.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: PoC]
    #7006851 - 06/04/07 11:39 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

cool, keep us updated. im very interested as to what they will look like in a month or so.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: ApacheShaman]
    #7008144 - 06/04/07 04:49 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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nice. can you legally get those seeds in the US?
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Sadly no.








Pretty sure places will ship them to you though. I just ordered 20 Lophophora Williamsii seeds from a certain ethnobotanical supplier online.




yes but wont most place put on thier package what they are shipping?




I would hope the vendor is smart enough to not do that...


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: Cakes]
    #7090547 - 06/25/07 01:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well it's been a while...a little less than a month since those first pictures and I thought I'd update since LSDevin said he'd like to see pics. They've all got tiny spikes on them now and I've been poking a few holes in the saran wrap to acclimate them. The one really stretched loph has gotten more upright and all of them have shrunk a little when they got their spines. See what you think.

BTW: Sorry for the poor quality pictures...it's very difficult to take pictures of these guys.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: highdroponics]
    #7090768 - 06/25/07 02:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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^ i know a site that will ship the actual plants to the US but im not giving it out....too precious.




yeah, oversea suupliers will do it. You know that drug smugglers have been know to use the US postal system to smuggle drugs into to country. Now adays, you can ship and recieve almost anything.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: PoC]
    #7242714 - 07/31/07 09:12 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Well it's been a while...a little less than a month since those first pictures and I thought I'd update since LSDevin said he'd like to see pics. They've all got tiny spikes on them now and I've been poking a few holes in the saran wrap to acclimate them. The one really stretched loph has gotten more upright and all of them have shrunk a little when they got their spines. See what you think.

BTW: Sorry for the poor quality pictures...it's very difficult to take pictures of these guys.





they are looking good in these pics. how are they doing? still alive? you dont have to post ics unless you want to i was just wondering if things went ok.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: ApacheShaman]
    #7242732 - 07/31/07 09:22 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

ok those seedlings are not looking good they need MORE light or they are not peyote seeds, i have 5-8 year old peyote that are just about 1 inch tall. seedlings should stay round and short unless they are STREACHING for light or they were not labled right and are a different cacti.

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    #7243505 - 07/31/07 01:49 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Hrm that's an idea. Would it be counterproductive to just go ahead and do that now? I feel like I have everything pretty sterile right now and I don't want to open it up if I don't have to, though I could use my glovebox to do it.



This isn't mushrooms.





i was thinking the exact thing.

cutting off air is actually worse for your cacti than dirty conditions. i don't clean fuck all with my cacti and have pretty good success.



as for 8 year old peyote being 1 inch, that is pretty damned tiny. you should have 1 inch by 2 years in cultivation. not that big a deal, but that is like wild type speed. you can get 1+ inches a year fairly easily.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: kadakuda]
    #7243876 - 07/31/07 03:35 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

lol instead of telling me that mine are small why dont you tell the poster that his need more light!!!

here are a few that the button is just 1 inch and when i bought them they said that they were 4-5 years old.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: royer]
    #7243919 - 07/31/07 03:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

just saying :smile:  you don't think thats pretty small for 8 years?  they look healthy, but if given good light water etc they should be much larger.

ya he needs more light, you covered that :smile:  and sterile conditions or not, the seeds will have "contams" on them, so cutting off circulation and keeping up humidity will probably promote bad stuff rather than deter it. 

does anyone here grow lophs without stretching using flouros?  i am curious how many you need to get it right.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: royer]
    #7243922 - 07/31/07 03:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

well, do mine look ok?


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    #7243939 - 07/31/07 03:51 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

they are all ok. but they look a little stretched. but they are still tiny, let them grow a bit before worrying too much.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: kadakuda]
    #7244190 - 07/31/07 05:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I know they're all stretched and I put a dedicated light on them a while back. They don't look much different now than the last pictures I posted but they're still green to deep green. Stretching or not they're alive. I trust they're the real deal because I obtained the seeds from a reputable vendor...the problem with them stretching was just caused by me. I've never grown any cactus before. Anyhow thanks for the interest! I'll be sure to post pictures when these little guys look any different.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seedlings [Re: PoC]
    #7246164 - 08/01/07 03:51 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

in 6 months you wont even notice (if you got good light on them). they are super young, so its nothing.


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    #7443886 - 09/23/07 01:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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^ i know a site that will ship the actual plants to the US but im not giving it out....too precious.


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    #7443932 - 09/23/07 02:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

cheaper than US prices, for obvious reasons :tongue:


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    #7444493 - 09/23/07 05:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

how far should you keep your lights from seedlings? and i was told water from the bottom, and mist them.

my clay pots hole is like 1/4 inset from the bottom...how do i water from the bottom then?

how much misting?

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    #7446195 - 09/24/07 01:15 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

dopnt need to water from the bottom...its just done cause you can mix up the seeds and sub. when top watering. i water seedlings via misting.

distance from lights depends on your light. i keep mi seedlings about 12" below 2 2' flouros. doesn't really matter as long as they aren't stretching or turning red.


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    #20392426 - 08/08/14 06:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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^ i know a site that will ship the actual plants to the US but im not giving it out....too precious.




how would the plants get through customs? they would be labeled as ariocarpus?

also, Ebay ships them all day, from Thailand or china tho so again customs.. whatdoyoudo? lol


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    #20392788 - 08/08/14 07:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

7 year old thread.


The guy you're trying to ask hasn't been seen in a year.

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