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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: PJDIDDLE]
    #6998563 - 06/02/07 02:53 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Its sort of sad when it becomes a "lifestyle"


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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: aDoS]
    #6998974 - 06/02/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Pot doesn't necessarily make me unsocial, I just don't waste time talking to people I don't care about. I try to do the same when I'm not high. It's called eliminating the excess fat in your life and focusing on the meat. I am always polite, respectful, and offer a friendly smile to strangers when I'm high. Sure, I don't stop them and ask them how their relationship are with their father, but I'm actually more apt to being friendly to them because well... I'm high. I'm happy.

Someone said it above me. Moderation is the key. Don't smoke all day, every day and you'll be fine. Pot doesn't kill love, whatever that means really, you are responsible for all your actions. It doesn't matter what substance you currently have in your body. Remember that, and you'll find there are many drugs you can live a normal life with if used in moderation. If you have social anxiety, quit blaming it on the pot, find a way to deal with it.


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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: Noviseer]
    #6998990 - 06/02/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

hey Noviseer!  I had no idea you were taking an extended pot-break as well!

you (and the pamphlet) basically touched on every reason why I've decided this time to actually see my quitting all the way through.  it really DOES take away so much inhibition to not be stoned, and to be on the same wavelength and vibration frequency as other people ... (for those of you who don't know, humans actually vibrate within a certain frequency, and this is what may account for certain people attracting and certain people repelling, much like the positive and negative sides of magnets interacting with each other ... also, if you think of music, there are no "wrong notes", but rather certain notes fit together in certain contexts, and others don't sound right in the same context)

With this time of quitting, I've decided to listen to nobody but myself about taking a break, because all the pot smokers will try to sell you on why the problems are really just in your own head and how anybody can interact on pot just fine ...

it's not true!  everybody's different, and sometimes we need a break to regain our sanity and independence and confidence as a regular, interactive human being.  nobody is everybody else, and everybody else is nobody. only our own selves know the truth ...

the Buddha once said that you should NEVER take anybody's word over your own, no matter how truthful or confident or authoritative they may appear, and not even his own :smirk:

and it's the truth!  we are masters of our own destiny, so we should take the reins on our own and not leave them to people who know less about us but are more confident.  that would make you a follower instead of a true leader.

and the very end of your post is EXQUISITELY put:

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This is because... drumroll please... marijuana is ADDICTIVE. Yup. You get cravings, its hard, damn near impossible for a lot of us, to turn down a hit, and after you quit, you get all irritable/depressed and don't get a wink of sleep until the WITHDRAWLS are over.

And that addiction, btw, is worse, in a certain way, than heroin or coke or alcohol. Hear me out. That twenty nine year old co-worker of mine, he's a smart guy. He went to college and had all these plans, he moved out to LA to get involved in some kind of architectural engineering. Now its 7 years later, and all he does is deliver food and blaze. He talks about his life so fatalistically.

Hard drug addicts, imo, have a better chance of recovery--since marijuana, lets face it, is pretty harmless (physically), you never really hit "rock bottom." You can be a daily pot smoker and hold down a job. Coke and heroin, though, your life gets so fucked up that you try to quit, and some people are successful.




quite.  marijuana addicts actually try to cover their own tracks and defend marijuana as if it was their own son or brother ... they're just covering for their true addiction because they're in denial!  just like addicts of any drug, except they APPEAR to be reasonable because, as stated, marijuana won't HURT or KILL you, it just slowly drains you of your life energy (prana), much like if you jack off too much ...

I hope you make it to the end of your desired quit date, or otherwise are able to quit altogether ... I haven't decided on my part which would be a better idea, but it doesn't matter ... I'll make the decision once I've had at least months apart from the marijuana and then maybe try it again.

If I get a negative reaction, I'll sell my bong, make some good money, and consider it just another phased passed in my life :thumbup:

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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: Noviseer]
    #6999004 - 06/02/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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In other words, pot causes some social anxiety. I agree.




pot causes social anxiety--and since social interaction is so essential to happiness--pot makes you unhappy. Thats my point in a nutshell.




I agree 100%...if overdone. Everything in moderation my friend! :-)

Moderation = happiness

It's only when you smoke pot everyday that these problems occur...limit it to 3-5 times a week, in the evenings when winding down. :-)

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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: myndreach]
    #6999026 - 06/02/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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limit it to 3-5 times a week, in the evenings when winding down. :-)




Or Saturday mornings when the day is beautiful and you have nothing to do but walk around town listening to your IPOD. Think I'll go to the gym too.... Stop and get a coffee at The Dunkin Dee's. Get out of the house people... whether you're high or not. It will help you with whatever funk you're dealing with.

and for the record, I am a huge advocate for taking a break. It's good for you and allows you to appreciate your highs more rather than accept them as a static frame of mind.


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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: DrCamacho89]
    #6999045 - 06/02/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Or Saturday mornings when the day is beautiful and you have nothing to do but walk around town listening to your IPOD. Think I'll go to the gym too.... Stop and get a coffee at The Dunkin Dee's. Get out of the house people... whether you're high or not. It will help you with whatever funk you're dealing with.




spoken like a true zen master. this man knows what he speaks of ^^^

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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6999252 - 06/02/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I'm forced to make social interaction at work "which is fine"
I believe when I'm high I talk to people easily.
actually I'm not very social off pot...
I serve people better due to the fact that I feel good and my back isn't on fire...So I just go with the flow, it helps not to be so self-conscious... I say screw what everybody else thinks just do your job, feel good and live life!!!!!
smoke weed everyday!!!!! :gethigh:


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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: Noviseer]
    #6999267 - 06/02/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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So thats my rant. Pot really does kill love and happiness. I highly recommend giving it up.




I agree with much of your rant. My intake has dropped off a lot... I was mainly using it to distract myself from life. I don't want to be distracted anymore.


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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #6999327 - 06/02/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I think it's more how you use it and who you're around when you use it. I don't go to work stoned because of that very problem. It makes it difficult to make direct contact and keep conversations especially with people you want to hide the fact from.

So I don't smoke at work or when I'm going out to social events where I don't want people to know I smoke. When I do smoke it's at night when I want to sleep or at a party, and I sure don't have any problems keeping up a conversation no matter how stoned I am.

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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #6999422 - 06/02/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I find this thread very interesting.

I tend to agree with the OP. I too want interactions with strangers to be over with faster. I get the mild paranoia as well. And I've been stoned 95% of the time for the last 10 years. For me, it does make me antisocial and unhappy, SOMETIMES.

I've come to some realizations. I am now in a situation where I cannot smoke that often, maybe once a week. Now that I am not in the haze, I can see things for what they are.

I deal with anxiety all the time, regardless of sobriety. Being stoned usually magnifies a persons personality. The more I smoke, the more nervous and depressed I get. Not to mention tired. I also have self-confidence issues, thus making me shy.

In situations where weed is involved, it comes out tenfold. For example, I've noticed in recent interactions with a new guy I was getting to know that it was really uncomfortable when we would get stoned. Days we saw each other sober, the conversation flowed much easier. Why? excessive smoking triggers anxiety for me, plus I am already nervous in the situation as it is.


I think those antisocial people another person was talking about where probably heavy smokers. It seems I am ok if I smoke one blunt with my friends, but the more we smoke, the more I clam up. Ever notice how when you smoke with a new person they are usually giggly and excited? When was the last time one of you heavy smokers really got goofy? Or did you most likely zone out or just munch out??

There is truth in what the others said too...everything in moderation. Clearly I cannot handle heavy smoking anymore. Will I ever give it up totally? I dont know. Sometimes I ask myself why I still even smoke. I do give it up completely once in a while, but always end up going back. I work 60+ hours a week, 7 days a week, and sometimes a nice bone is the only way to unwind. And the ritual and process of actually smoking with your friends (or alone) is wonderful. It's almost relgious. At least for a godless bastard like myself, it is :wink:

So yes, it is like anything else...if you cant keep it in moderation or you have underlying issues, the real problem will rear it's head. It's not totally the pot's fault. All it can do is help or hinder.


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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: Noviseer]
    #6999424 - 06/02/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

i agree with you to some extent. for me it's more situational though. if i'm talking to someone that i dont want to know that i'm high then i get that way. or if i have weed in my pocket and are interacting with strangers, i'm a little more paranoid. but if i smoke, have nothing on me, then need to go out and interact with people i dont know, then it's fine.

i also think it depends on tolerance too. if i smoke for the first time in a week and get really really high, then there's no way i'd want to be going out and interacting with people. but if i'm in the daily smoking routine, then it's not so much of a problem.

i think by knowing what you know now, you'd be able to smoke and talk to people. you now know you can interact with people just fine when you're not high, so why can't you when you're high? you just gotta work on bringing that outgoing perspective with you after you smoke.


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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: Noviseer]
    #7000756 - 06/02/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I disagree, I can talk and hold a conversation while being high on weed.
I just hate the short term memory loss, while using pot.

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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: Noviseer]
    #7001213 - 06/02/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

How do we know that the herb is causing these things (paranoia, social uneasiness, etc.), as opposed to these things already being present within us, and the herb (altered consciousness) is showing us that we are not perfect beings and in fact have lots of "stuff" lurking beneath the veneer our 'sober' self presents to others?

How do we know that what we are projecting when not under the influence is our true self? What makes us so sure it's not just a facade we put on to "get along" and avoid conflict?

I guess i differ from a lot of opinions in this thread. (HB made some great points). I see nothing wrong with shyness or "social anxiety". Ultimately it is a choice. Herb can not force us to make a choice, but altered states of consciousness can make us more aware of the nuances of circumstances under which we are making such choices.

Maybe these emotions are popping up because ultimately these interactions are not healthy? Who's to say that the professional socialites we all know have gotten that way because they were never shy? Maybe they have learned to stifle such notions. Personally I don't like to smother something about myself I don't like. I'd rather explore it and try to find out why this stuff is coming up.

I've always been 'shy' when it comes to meeting new people, stoned or not. And i will say that most times, but especially when I'm freshly ripped, I don't want to go through the whole 'small talk' ordeal. I much prefer to cut to the chase about serious issues, and if we establish a healthy dialogue based around that, then I might want to know more about their personal life.

Every now and then, I will meet someone with whom I instantly click, and then all the shyness is gone because we share a great rapport. These meetings often blossom into the most enjoyable relationships. Perhaps shyness is a guardian, showing you who you should not bother with. Your self is sacred. Too often we are giving away too much of ourselves to people who are not deserving of such a gift.

It's one thing to have a nice chat with the person behind the register or whatever, but I am speaking more of relationships with people we are acquainted with outside of our trips to the store. However, sometimes that cashier might be a potential best friend - if you talk to them, and you might not, because you believe that herb you just smoked makes you unsocial. Examine what it is about that altered consciousness that brings up these emotions. Or don't... everyone is different. Perhaps for some of us the joys of herb are best had in private, or with close friends.

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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: Clean]
    #7002617 - 06/03/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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How do we know that the herb is causing these things (paranoia, social uneasiness, etc.), as opposed to these things already being present within us, and the herb (altered consciousness) is showing us that we are not perfect beings and in fact have lots of "stuff" lurking beneath the veneer our 'sober' self presents to others?




We don't know that the herb is causing those things. All I know is that when I'm smoking weed on a regular basis, I'm less happy, and more anxious. It probably is due to some kind of personal neurosis, but it seems to be a catalyst at least.


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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7002675 - 06/03/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I would say that it actually helps in social interactions with people that you're really close to.  It would be interesting if any of us had problems conversing with strangers if the harmless flowers were LEGAL.  I surmise that if it were legal then we would not have any difficulty with social settings in public...  I think that if ambassadors and other international figures toked up before speaking to each other there would be no such thing as war and we would see...PEACE ON EARTH FOREVERMORE.  The sacred herb, gift from Gaia, healing the wounds of all the nations...  GOD put all his favorite drugs here for us b-cause he's not an asshole!  Just make sure you don't ever piss him off...:eek:

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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: Clean]
    #7003538 - 06/03/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Clean said:
How do we know that the herb is causing these things (paranoia, social uneasiness, etc.), as opposed to these things already being present within us, and the herb (altered consciousness) is showing us that we are not perfect beings and in fact have lots of "stuff" lurking beneath the veneer our 'sober' self presents to others?

How do we know that what we are projecting when not under the influence is our true self?  What makes us so sure it's not just a facade we put on to "get along" and avoid conflict?

I guess i differ from a lot of opinions in this thread. (HB made some great points).  I see nothing wrong with shyness or "social anxiety".  Ultimately it is a choice.  Herb can not force us to make a choice, but altered states of consciousness can make us more aware of the nuances of circumstances under which we are making such choices.




i feel much the same way and i have to say that one thing i found out about cannabis is that it's CERTAINLY not the social drug it's cracked up to be! in certain situations it might work BUT mostly THC takes you into your own mind, the focus is much narrower (and yet extended) and then it's very hard to be social because you can't stop thinking and following trails of thought you'd usually disregard.

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Maybe these emotions are popping up because ultimately these interactions are not healthy?  Who's to say that the professional socialites we all know have gotten that way because they were never shy? Maybe they have learned to stifle such notions.  Personally I don't like to smother something about myself I don't like.  I'd rather explore it and try to find out why this stuff is coming up.




that's a VERY good attitude IMO! but unfortunately most people can't handle "the truth" like that :tongue:
that is to say, most people will have a real hard time to explore their psyche all the way down the rabbit hole. you find LOADS of things you hate about your self but no answers on how to change it or deal with it! (only if you go all the way you sometimes find some sort of answer that will actually stick, but usually the answers come when you're sober and you gain experience in the act of whatever it is you're trying to change)

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I've always been 'shy' when it comes to meeting new people, stoned or not.  And i will say that most times, but especially when I'm freshly ripped, I don't want to go through the whole 'small talk' ordeal.  I much prefer to cut to the chase about serious issues, and if we establish a healthy dialogue based around that, then I might want to know more about their personal life. 

Every now and then, I will meet someone with whom I instantly click, and then all the shyness is gone because we share a great rapport.  These meetings often blossom into the most enjoyable relationships.  Perhaps shyness is a guardian, showing you who you should not bother with.  Your self is sacred.  Too often we are giving away too much of ourselves to people who are not deserving of such a gift.

It's one thing to have a nice chat with the person behind the register or whatever, but I am speaking more of relationships with people we are acquainted with outside of our trips to the store.  However, sometimes that cashier might be a potential best friend - if you talk to them, and you might not, because you believe that herb you just smoked makes you unsocial.  Examine what it is about that altered consciousness that brings up these emotions.  Or don't...  everyone is different.  Perhaps for some of us the joys of herb are best had in private, or with close friends.




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that was a very nice post Clean, i sympathize with every word of it... thats why i quoted all of it :tongue:


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Re: Pot Kills Love [Re: Simisu]
    #7005596 - 06/03/07 10:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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but unfortunately most people can't handle "the truth" like that 
that is to say, most people will have a real hard time to explore their psyche all the way down the rabbit hole. you find LOADS of things you hate about your self but no answers on how to change it or deal with it! (only if you go all the way you sometimes find some sort of answer that will actually stick, but usually the answers come when you're sober and you gain experience in the act of whatever it is you're trying to change)




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Truth is tough.  I see people doing whatever it takes to run away from such notions.  Anything to keep us busy.... anything that will keep our focus outside and we're on it like flies on dung.

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