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America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam?
    #6994799 - 06/01/07 08:53 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

It seems like America is about to follow in the footsteps of Dark Age
Europe and present day Muslim countries....

Basically from what I know from history and current events there is a
precedence for nations and empires starting to depend on religion as
their influence and power diminishes. When Rome collapsed the European
areas started to depend on religion which only sent them into the Dark
Ages. However, my world history might be rusty so correct me on this
if you can.

As for Islam... the Empire's power and influence was weakening and the
religious leaders gained power and decided that religion would solve
all problems. Funding of science and studying of other philosophies
besides Islam's were underfunded, more mosques were built, etc. Then
at the same time the religious leaders in Europe lost most of their
power and the population began major innovations in science (Galileo,
Darwin later on, etc.). The basically wiped the floor clean with the
Islamic armies that depended on religion to solve their problems.

I am basically asking if any1 here sees that America is on the same
path as these two civilizations? We are already losing our power,
other countries are catching up in research, half of our country seems
to be relying on religion to answer questions and to solve problems
(faith). Ugh, I might just study in Europe which is secular, very
educated, very organized, etc. DAMN

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Any1 see any problems with this argument?


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: downforpot]
    #6994803 - 06/01/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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downforpot said:
Ugh, I might just study in Europe which is secular, very
educated, very organized, etc. DAMN




Just wondering if you're basing this on personal experience, or simply assuming it's "better" over there because you're so sick of it here. (Grass is always greener...)


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #6994809 - 06/01/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Assumming better if the trend continues here. Or I might move to Israel too and study there.


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: downforpot]
    #6994813 - 06/01/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

If you love this country, and you think it's going down the tubes, wouldn't you want to work towards its renaissance, rather than simply jumping ship?


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #6994839 - 06/01/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I would but I don't really wanna get into politics and that seems to be the only way. We are pumping out ignorant morons out of the schools. Hmmm, maybe I could someday fund tons of private schools.

But anyway, does the argument hold?


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: downforpot]
    #6994846 - 06/01/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Only time will tell. Personally I think America is here to stay. This is a rough patch.


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #6994867 - 06/01/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I hope so man but we really need to ensure that bullshit isn't taught as fact in our schools and we need to confront those faggots like Ken Ham who are spreading bullshit.


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: downforpot]
    #6994871 - 06/01/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Become a teacher.


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #6994879 - 06/01/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck that. I wanna get super rich, become a billionaire and influence the world at large.


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #6994881 - 06/01/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I studied a lot of history when I was in college, it was my major, and I got pretty sick of it after a while. I also studied a lot of political science and philosophy involving international relations.

While I agree with you that America is here to stay, our role in world affairs could face drastic changes if we don't make some major changes to the electoral system and the 2-party election system. We're so polarized as a nation that we can't agree on almost anything. The president wins by such narrow margins anymore that it's frightening. It just doesn't seem right to me that elected officials can govern based on having just barely more than half the votes.


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #6994884 - 06/01/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Or an investor.  Money has the most influence on American's and their politicians.  Speaks much louder than any individual citizen's vote.  The voting public vote to protect their financial stability before any moral values, unless they are hippy. :snowman:


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: Cowgold]
    #6994919 - 06/01/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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The voting public vote to protect their financial stability before any moral values, unless they are hippy. :snowman:




It doesn't seem that the evangelicals are about that. To me it seems like they care more about values, religion, morality, etc. than financial stability.


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: downforpot]
    #6994952 - 06/01/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I think things would be much better if we didn't have a president and we voted on everything. Like go to vote once a week on all the new bills and laws. Also I think felons should be able to vote. After all they are still americans, do they think that because they broke a law that they can't cast a vote. I never understood that one, the gun thing I do understand but voting come on.


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: downforpot]
    #6994956 - 06/01/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

True, unless your a pastor.


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: idiotek]
    #6994979 - 06/01/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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idiotek said:that elected officials can govern based on having just barely more than half the votes.




or less than 1/2 even!


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: Cowgold]
    #6995021 - 06/01/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

you know prisoners can't vote yet they count towards population count. hmmmmmm so they add numbers to an influence of a population of a state, yet they can't vote?


Also don't take this as an offense but if it seems so bad here and europe seems to be in such good shape , then by all means go there instead. I don't agree with alot of things here, but I can agree that this is still a great nation. I can't stand people here in the US that say "oh I can't stand it here, my country this and that" . Then why in the hell they're living here and not there?

I'm hispanic, and sure cuba is a beautiful country, but by all means why the f*ck would I wanna live there?



And also to split votes on presidential elections. Oh man are you serious!!!! Florida was so rigged. I live in florida and I can't even begin to mention how many people here said they voted democrat. Yet over whelming of the votes that "were" counted turned out to be republican? Yeah foul play...... They even admitted there were sh*tloads of votes that were never counted.



And as far as a president goes. US does have some issues right now. Anyone ever notice how each year US wants more illegals out of the country? hmmmm...... Has any one ever looked at the censes count every couple years?(I might have spelled that wrong). At the rate we're going Hispanic will outnumber caucasions in years to come. It wasn't that long ago there were more blacks than hispanics ... and well now there's way more hispanics than blacks. Think about it for every generation of hispanics that are illegal in this country. When they mate that's a whole new generation of "legal" hispanics in this country. Do the math. The big wigs are not happy that influence in the future might hold on the majority of hispanics. Look at political offices already, there's already big hispanic influence.


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: Bigrichshrooms]
    #6995293 - 06/01/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Reply to feature clears up alot of confusion. /Just throwing that out there.

The big wigs and people who know better want illegal immigrants here. A vast majority of them pay taxes and never file for a return. Our national debt would be way worse if it weren't for illegal immigrants.


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Re: America weaking, followin in the footsteps of Europe + Islam? [Re: Cowgold]
    #6995316 - 06/01/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Whether or not immigrants provide a financial incentive to this country is a very complex question. Yes, they do work for low pay (expecially in the agricultural industry) which keeps our prices down. This undoubtedly benefits us. But, they often also send their kids to our public schools (at $10,000-$20,000 a pop), get on Medicaid, and mooch in other ways.


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