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Organic Rye Berry Question
    #6991511 - 05/31/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

This the right stuff? The "berries" part of the name is throwing me off, this just looks like rye seed to me. Thanks.



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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #6991528 - 05/31/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like it. Was it labeled 'rye berries'?
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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6991538 - 05/31/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

It was labeled "Organic Rye, 5 pounds" although I went to the health store and asked the bloke behind the counter for organic rye berries, so i figured it was the right stuff. What kind of colonization times you normally expect with ORB?

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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #6991947 - 05/31/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

assuming everything goes right for me it's 2 weeks from spores and 1 week from liquid culture or grain transfer :peace:

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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: jmg5]
    #6992080 - 05/31/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

that's rye berries, and quite honestly, putting them side by side, i cannot tell the difference between the two, they both sprout, and rye grass grows out of both... so wtf..

i get 5-7 day full colonization on pints of rye.

be sure you understand that an endospore soak is a good idea, and that simmer and boil are definitely two different things. PC for 99 minutes, this has helped me alot.

if you got at a whole foods store, it's berries, and a co op, they'll call it seed.


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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: jeetered]
    #6992115 - 05/31/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah i followed RR's Rye tek, which I did a 40 hour soak in coffee/water, then boiled for ten minutes, strain and drain, then PC for 120 mins. Thanks for the help guys, i just wanted to make sure i had the right stuff.

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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #6992124 - 05/31/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

GOOD LUCK!!!!


i prefer simmering for 45 minutes though, vs. boiling for 10 mins,

and soaking for anything over 24 hours has caused sprouting. I also do not believe the coffee is needed. It's only caused problems in my experiences.

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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: jeetered]
    #6992136 - 05/31/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Is "Good Luck" caps b/c you don't think it's going to work?

I went 40 hours because RR said 6 - 36, but 40 was the soonest I could pull them, and he said that'd be okay.

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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #6992174 - 05/31/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

no it's in caps coz i wish you the BEST!!!!!


it will work, RR is not a dummy !!

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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: jeetered]
    #6992184 - 05/31/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, you had me scared. Yeah he is a genius, so I not really worried about if it will work, i just worried about whether or not i screwed up.

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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #6992500 - 05/31/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

RR has a Grain TEK?

does anyone have the link or is it in the new video's he just produced?

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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: phil823]
    #6992739 - 05/31/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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These gents are referring to this tek, courtesy of the great RogerRabbit.


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My rye tek:
Measure out your organic rye berries from a health food store, one cup for each quart jar you intend to make. Place them in a large pot. Rinse the heck out of them. Fill the pot with hot tap water, shake and swirl it around and pour it out. Do this three or four times until the water you pour out is clear. You'll be able to see when you have nice clean water to pour off instead of water filled with chaff and dirt.

You want to now cover the rye berries with three times as much hot tap water as you have rye. Use half coffee and half plain water. In other words, if you have two inches of rye in the bottom of your pan, you should have six inches of water/coffee above that, for a total of 8 inches. Add approximately a 1/4 teaspoon of gypsum per cup of rye. Stir these into the water/grain well. For my large kettle with ten cups of rye and two to three gallons of water, or (coffee/water)I add a tablespoon of gypsum and mix in. Cover and leave this to sit for 6-36 hours. Don't freak out if you go 48 hours and it smells like it's fermenting. No problem.

Stir well and set the pot on the stove. Bring to a boil. Boil for ten minutes, then, WHILE BOILING, drain the contents through a very large colander. (spaghetti strainer) If you're making a large batch, you may need more than one colander. Tip the colander side to side to get the rye to drain as much of the water as you can. Then, shake the colander in order to 'toss' the grain. This will cause a lot of steam to rise from your rye. Great. Do this a time or two, then let it sit for five minutes, then repeat. When all the moisture that will drip or evaporate from your rye has already done so, load your jars. The rye should look and feel dry to the touch when you load the jars. All the moisture you need is inside the grain.

Fill jars no more than 2/3 full if they are to receive grain to grain transfers, or no more than 3/4 full if they are to be inoculated by spore syringe or agar wedge. Use a lid with a synthetic filter disk, polyfill, tyvek or similar. Cover with foil and PC the jars for at least 90 minutes at 15lbs. I use 120 minutes. When the jars are cool, they're ready to inoculate.

This is the procedure that's demonstrated on my DVD.
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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #6993584 - 05/31/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Oh ok, looks like i should putting together the change under the couch to scrape up some money for the dvd set :smile:

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Re: Organic Rye Berry Question [Re: phil823]
    #6993624 - 05/31/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I've never had rye berries or rye grass seed sprout when soaked in weak coffee.  I don't know why, but for some reason, it never has.  Soaked wihout coffee, they often spout.  The DVD shows the basic tek without coffee, just water and gypsum.  Using coffee is the R rated version, just for here. :wink: The most important thing when working with rye or other grains is to get the moisture right.  If you'll follow the above tek, it will come out right every time. Bear in mind, the 1/4 teaspoon of gypsum per cup of rye is when you add it to the soak water. You can let it cool overnight before removing from the pressure cooker, and the grains will separate like sand when you turn the jar upside down.  They won't be clumped up at all.
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