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Re: The Human Experience [Re: ]
    #699663 - 06/25/02 04:51 AM (22 years, 29 days ago)

Shroomism -
I'll preface this post by saying that I fully concur with the words of your signature,
and I have quoted it recently, even in person to a participant at the Shroomery.

I merely wanted to add two definitions of Wisdom: one Western and one Eastern.

"Wisdom in its broadest and commonest sense denotes sound and serene judgement regarding the conduct of life. It may be accompanied by a broad range of knowledge, by intellectual acuteness, and by speculative depth, but it is not to be identified with any of these and may appear in their absence. It involves intellectual grasp or insight, but it is concerned not so much with the ascertation of fact or the elaboration of theories as with the means and ends of practical life."
-The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, vol. 8, p.322

"Wisdom, from the Buddhist perspective, is the realization of emptiness, the direct knowledge of things as they are. This knowledge is universal in nature and arises spontaneously from pure intention, thought, and action. It is a wisdom of discernment, functioning in accord with the fundamental laws of natural phenomena. Its essence is grounded in altruism." -The Wheel of Time Sand Mandala, p.14

Now, generally speaking, various philosophers (including neophyte philosophers at this forum), present different emphases on the nature of Wisdom, but I found the above two versions to be solid representations both hemispheres. It it interesting how this word hemispheres is used primarily for the globe and for our brain - a very macrocosm-microcosm parallel. And like right and left brained people, participants here would be foolish to argue about ideas that are perceived not only hemispherically, but by very constitutional differences (a la W.H. Sheldon), and by typological differences (a la Jung and Myers-Briggs). People would do well to realize that we are ALL blind men feeling the various facets of the elephantine idea of Wisdom, and cease ridiculing anyone. Ridicule indicates the absence of Wisdom by any definition. Ridicule is ego-inflation that must be tempered into constructive criticism and correction that is presented with humility. Let those with ears, hear.


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Re: The Human Experience [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #699667 - 06/25/02 04:59 AM (22 years, 29 days ago)

I'll preface this post by saying that I fully concur with the words of your signature,
A nice, cozy quote borrowed from a New Age book based on nothing at all.

Ridicule is ego-inflation that must be tempered into constructive criticism and correction that is presented with humility.
Jesus seemed a wee bit sarcastic (a form of ridicule) at times (with the high priests/rabbis and with the money lenders). Apparently he had little wisdom and a huge ego.


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Re: The Human Experience [Re: Swami]
    #699796 - 06/25/02 06:59 AM (22 years, 29 days ago)

A) 'I' like the signature. It is a concise statement about 'My' understanding of a Human BEING. It is not based on anything? It is an intelligently constructed verbal statement that is capable of conveying meaning. It is "based" on intelligence.

B) Being a wise ass doesn't qualify you to enjoin a silly paraphrase of Greek to English NT material. You are assuming that Scriptures relates verbatim, what is in all probability Jewish midrash. You would have to be precise as to which incident you are referring between Jesus and the Pharisees. You would also, clearly, need to be more current about how the historical Jesus is regarded from a demythologized and detheologized perspective. As one's faith stance colors the value of one's evaluation of Jesus of Nazareth, and you obviously have no Christian faith stance, your sarcasm suggesting that I hadn't considered Jesus before making my condemnation of ridicule is simply wrong. If one has faith in Christ, one would realize that there would've been nothing malicious in any corrective that would have issued from the person. One could of course read Scriptures with a mind to critcize and condemn, instead of ponder and seek to understand, but of course, what other than an ego-inflated [possibly manic] individual would consider himself in such a position to do so?

C) This is a public forum. What the f**k is wrong with you and your lack of common courtesy? You may believe that you are 'beyond good and evil,' but you sure as Hell aren't beyond learning some simple manners! You must've been slapped alot as a kid to develop this way!


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Re: The Human Experience [Re: Swami]
    #699802 - 06/25/02 07:03 AM (22 years, 29 days ago)

Is there really any wisdom in blindly accepting the words of a stranger on the WEB such as ZetaTalk? Or is wisdom finding your OWN truth?

Wisdom is finding your own truth

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Re: The Human Experience [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #699819 - 06/25/02 07:18 AM (22 years, 29 days ago)

Markos - thank you for your input. My take on wisdom is to try and combine the best of both hemispheres into a harmonic balance. The western ideal of speculative insight.. and the nothingness, or seeing-things-for-what-they-are, of the eastern. A combination of the two would be what I would call true wisdom. I do agree that a state of humbleness is the best path to that. For in such a state, one is always ready to have their reality redefined, or what they "know" to be changed.

People would do well to realize that we are ALL blind men feeling the various facets of the elephantine idea of Wisdom, and cease ridiculing anyone. Ridicule indicates the absence of Wisdom by any definition. Ridicule is ego-inflation that must be tempered into constructive criticism and correction that is presented with humility. Let those with ears, hear.

I couldn't have said it better myself.. Ridicule never accomplishes anything but ego-inflation. While on the other end of the spectrum... constructive critisism, is very helpful for both parties involved

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Re: The Human Experience [Re: ]
    #700179 - 06/25/02 10:26 AM (22 years, 29 days ago)

Seriously, the amount of political correctness (regarding form, not content) in here is fucking insane. It's JUST WORDS. I didn't think words could bother those "egoless" persons that are so "enlightened".


I couldn't have said it better myself.. Ridicule never accomplishes anything but ego-inflation.
"Humor- What makes you laugh at something which would make you mad if it happened to you." -Anon.
"Comedy aims at representing men as worse, and tragedy as better, than in real life" -Aristotle
It seems some would disagree.

While on the other end of the spectrum... constructive criticism, is very helpful for both parties involved.
Constructive criticism, yeah, I give that too... but it usually ends with a compromise. How do you compromise when you're right? Maybe you like to haggle with truth, but I don't. Not that I'm saying there is such a static thing called truth...


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Yeah, anyone who backtalks the bullshitters must have been slapped as a child... gimme a break. Funny how I get labeled a skeptic all the time, just because I don't share your beliefs in aliens/astral projection/afterlife/whatever. How many times do I have to tell you that being critical (often confused with being skeptical) doesn't mean you subscribe to the philosophical doctrine of skepticism?

Another thing: I love how so many waste their time/lives preparing for some "eternity" or some "joining back up with whatever". Eternity might as well be NOW. There is only one plane of existence that should concern you... THIS ONE. Of course, I'm not "spiritually enlightened" or whatever... how could I be SO SURE that there isn't some other plane of existence that has a different "vibration" (whatever the fuck that means)? Well, it doesn't really matter. I don't want you do grasp onto anything I say and believe it dogmatically... that would be the exact opposite of what I want.


Markos... y'know, I have never really laid into you... basically, because you're reasonably well-grounded. However, before you throw around the titles of Nietzsche's books... maybe you should make sure you've read them. I wonder if you share the same view of Jesus... probably not.... which is why you should REALLY read up on Fred.


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Re: The Human Experience [Re: Sclorch]
    #700233 - 06/25/02 10:42 AM (22 years, 29 days ago)

I agree with you that eternity is RIGHT NOW. I dont know maybe you missed my twenty posts on it. But the present is the only time there is, the past is just a present that already happened, and the future is a present that is going to happen. It all revolves around right now.

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Re: The Human Experience [Re: ]
    #700267 - 06/25/02 10:50 AM (22 years, 29 days ago)

Well then, Shroomism, that must not have been directed at you.
Swami stated it more clearly than I:
"...you fantasize about happy past lives and future divine bliss."

But, I agree with Nietzsche that you should live your life so that if you had to live it one thousand times over the exact same way, you would be satisfied and happy in doing so.


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Re: The Human Experience [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #700377 - 06/25/02 11:26 AM (22 years, 29 days ago)

C) This is a public forum. What the f**k is wrong with you and your lack of common courtesy? You may believe that you are 'beyond good and evil,' but you sure as Hell aren't beyond learning some simple manners! You must've been slapped alot as a kid to develop this way!

Please teach me the finer points of the socially acceptable AD HOMINEM. I am willing to learn.



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Re: The Human Experience [Re: Sclorch]
    #700736 - 06/25/02 01:26 PM (22 years, 29 days ago)

I dont personally fantasize about my past lives.. I am content with my life now so that is the focus.

But, I agree with Nietzsche that you should live your life so that if you had to live it one thousand times over the exact same way, you would be satisfied and happy in doing so.

Yes

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Re: The Human Experience [Re: ]
    #700764 - 06/25/02 01:33 PM (22 years, 29 days ago)

I am content with my life now so that is the focus.

Then why do so many of your posts hinge on some future hypothetical event?


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Re: The Human Experience [Re: Swami]
    #700792 - 06/25/02 01:42 PM (22 years, 29 days ago)

Because I like to hypothesize about the future. Future is created through the present.

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Re: The Human Experience [Re: Sclorch]
    #702439 - 06/26/02 06:47 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

You've never laid into me? What kind of anal-sadistic threat is that? BTW, Nietzche was an integral part of my Doctoral dissertation at the University of Maryland, Department of Human Development/Institute for Child Study. It was published by Microfilms International in 1983. Take your arrogant little ego and bang it against a wall.


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Re: The Human Experience [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #702478 - 06/26/02 07:01 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

Uh oh Schlorch! Look what you have unleashed. Hell hath no fury like an angry, albeit loving, Christian.

Here we can get a rare glimpse of the end-result of decades of spiritual education and practice.


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