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Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid?
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I remember back when i was in grade school, we had a cop come in and give us an anti-drug demonstration.

He talked about all sorts of drugs and he talked about magic mushrooms and i still remember what kinda shit he was saying it was like: "Magic Mushrooms make you see things that are not there and those things will terrify you. Some people will se a lion run and attack them and bite them and they feel it so it was very painful. He also said one man ran screaming out of a theater and went home and scratched all of his skin on his face off, so his face looked like a piece of hamburger meat.

What propaganda!!! He was even like "If you take magic mushrooms, you WILL see spiders all over the place, biting at you"

Do you guys have any storys of being brainwashed or attemped brainwash ?

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
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Yeah. I remember in elementary school (Im 27) the police brought the sample briefcase, with a whole collection of illicit drugs framed inside. They were like "If you see any of these, tell your teacher or councelor (sp?).". Then there was the "Just say No" and later the "D.A.R.E." programs, all aimed at shoving propaganda into childrens faces. Little did they know these activities underestimate the intelligence of a young child. And in many cases (such as mine) can actually offend them with how blatantly biased and irrational their explanation is. Its funny how people so easily forget what it was like to be a child...sad really. It shows how detatched they are from the innocence of life.


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Edited by joekenorer (05/27/07 03:24 AM)

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
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Edited by StickyWater (05/02/08 11:51 PM)

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: StickyWater]
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The only drug I remember being taught about is LSD and how it can cause you to "see things that aren't there", "experience time going slow" and "see sounds or smell colours". I think that day sparked my initial interest in psychedelics. Before that, I had no interest in drugs whatsoever.

(though I've still never had LSD)

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: TurricaN]
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I remember being taught that halucinogens were scary and made you go insane. And the way they put it, if you were to do a halucinogen, you'd geek out and most likely wind up insane. That was what I thought. Education?


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: beatnicknick]
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When I was around 6-7 my mom tried to scare me and say

"pyschedelics make you go crazy!"

"Why? What do you mean crazy?"

"You see things that aren't there, like spiders crawling up walls and your face! Don't do them!"

So here I am, 7 years old, aware of Dungeons and Dragons, my favorite books are medical books, I LOVED death as a child, adn that is a scare tactic!? Spiders! Telling a kid about pyschedelics with a strong imagination is like telling him "Yes, Billy, all that stuff in your head is real, and there is a way to experience it!"

Uh oh.

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
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Yeah they always associated LSD with terrifying hallucinations and baby microwaving  :shake:

Weed made you into a stupid idiot...

Mushrooms made you die...

...ad nauseum


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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I just remember the DARE officer leaving a snitch box in the class, so that anyone could report drug use to the police this way (in 5th grade this was). One girl actually used it, after hearing about all of the terrible effects of marijuana, she became terrified for some friend that she knew who apparently used it, and turned the person in. Basically it's just a way to get kids to rat on their pot smoking parents.

Then sometime in middle school the DARE officer came to a class, and all I really remember is how he scared the shit out of everyone by making a fake gun with his hands, aiming it at a student and going "BANG BANG! Double tap to the head. And you're dead. That's what happens if the police think you're a threat." Or something to that effect. I think we were around 12-13 years old at that time. No wonder I've come to hate cops.

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: TurricaN]
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TurricaN said:
The only drug I remember being taught about is LSD and how it can cause you to "see things that aren't there", "experience time going slow" and "see sounds or smell colours". I think that day sparked my initial interest in psychedelics. Before that, I had no interest in drugs whatsoever.

(though I've still never had LSD)



fuck yeah dude thats how i found out about mushrooms, i was like "OMG THERES A MUSHROOM THAT MAKES YOU HALLUCINATE?!?!?!" and like a year later [9er10] i went around eating just about every mushroom i could find with no id guide nor even knowledge of what they looked like. all i knew was that some of them had "gold caps" lol. looking back its not really that funny i got really sick once and puked up black spores forever, and then i was like fuck this and a few years later i found the shroomery yay


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: heavensgate]
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heavensgate said:
Then sometime in middle school the DARE officer came to a class, and all I really remember is how he scared the shit out of everyone by making a fake gun with his hands, aiming it at a student and going "BANG BANG! Double tap to the head. And you're dead. That's what happens if the police think you're a threat."


That's pretty fucking sick.

My favorite tradition in DARE literature is how they say pot "causes brain damage and memory loss" like they're related. They got pot to damage the brain of a rehsus monkey by suffocating it with smoke for like five minutes, and apparently this brain damage, caused only by the most obscene and artificial exposure, causes the memory loss.


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You really are the worst kind of person.


Edited by Tchan909 (05/27/07 11:43 AM)

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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The only way you will become lazy and unmotivated by smoking pot is if you already are a lazy and unmotivated person. This is the case for all the 'burned out potheads' I know.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: MustardMan]
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Yeah. I'm pretty lazy and unmotivated. I was before I started smoking pot too.

I think pot just naturally appeals to lazy, unmotivated people like me.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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DARE sucked a lot. It was the year I found out my dad smoked weed, and I was so freaked out about it. Weed according to them makes you pretty stupid. I never remember any discussion on mushrooms or acid. Generally most time was spent on weed, inhalants, and even though drugs might look like candy they aren't. They would hold up a bag of pills and ask us if it was candy or not, and everyone usually guessed wrong.

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: confusion]
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I heard that they stopped doing the roleplaying sessions. Apparently all the kids wanted to play the guy who was high because it was a great excuse to goof off.

Very telling, I think.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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i'm lazy and unmotivated when theres nothing to do or be motivated about. when theres stuff to be done - weed only makes it better.
ie: smoke a bowl then cut the grass for an hour of uninterrupted fun.

i wouldn't want to do that sober, i'm lazy. lol.

on the topic:
i remember a 5th grade DARE program i had. i still have the shirt. its one of the most comfortable shirts i own and i smoke in it regularly. THANKS DARE!

all i had to do for it was write an essay about my thoughts on drug abuse. in other words i told them how I thought what people do is their own business and i wouldn't rat someone out for the choices they make unless it was going to cause A REAL PROBLEM. ie: not a bunch of invisible spiders. I believe in a free country (but don't harm others =).

side note: you'll see spiders? you pussies. scare the kids with rapists and terrrrrrrists. teach them to judge people by their appearances. (extreme sarcasm)

hahaha. this just popped into my head.

*cop opens suitcase*
children, if you see anyone wearing these suspicious articles of clothing outside of the bathroom please notify us or your teacher immediately.

OFFICER! JIMMY JUMPED OFF THE SWING YESTERDAY CLAIMING HE WAS SUPERMAN
WEARING A TERRORIST CLOTH HIS BACK!

*in recent news cop drops 11 year old on school playground*
"he was holding something that appeared to be a threat - who knows if he concealed a bomb in his math book."


yeah it just popped into my head and i pictured it and found it funny.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: zone0ut]
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It's always funny when I hear that "pot makes you lazy". My personal experience is that the peak of my pot usage was also the four weeks leading up to my university final year project deadline. I got more work done in those four weeks than ever before.

Needless to say, pot doesn't make you lazy.

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: TurricaN]
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I can't really remember much about the anti-drug propaganda .. (I used to hate them lessons .. so horseshit).

The woman who taught us said she'd done speed once when her doctor prescribed it so she could loose weight .. said she was climbing the walls for 3 days (if you've ever done lots of speed or seen requiem for a dream .. its true).

Another time she got 2 ex smack heads to come in .. and they were telling us about how it ruined their lives and if they need to draw blood they have to get it from the heart... blah blah.

A lot of the propaganda was about inhalants (deodourants / glues etc) and the dangers of lugging that shit.

The bit on psychedelics always focused on the bad trips and how people jumped off buildings thinking they could fly etc.

Oh and they always used this stupid assed story of some dumb fuck girl who drank a shit ton of water while on ecstasy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Betts

After all this flagrant propaganda I thought to myself  "I'm never going to do drugs, its fucking stupid." Now some years later I do my best to educate the masses and undo the brainwashing created by said propaganda. I do drugs on a somewhat regular basis and they are an integral part of my life. I would not change any of the experiences I've had, If I could live my life the same, the only thing I would do different is question "authority" more.

What annoys me is how deeply rooted in our current culture all this goddamn propaganda is. Theres a distinct lack of educated drug users; as if it was some sort of stigma to be avoided. One of my lecturers the other day was talking about stereotypes and how I looked like a druggie (while being the most articulate and intelligent person in the class; I constantly debate his narcissistic views). This annoyed me, not because its true, but because of the negative connotations associated with that stereotype.

Goddamn social conditioning. If everyone realised they were users drugs regardless (and have been for thousands of years), and just how bad their drug of choice really was [alcohol] society might actually reform these conservative laws.

The entire drug war is fueled by pernicious fallacies, based entirely on media sensationalism and fundamentalist views.

What we need is more people in respected places publishing peer reviewed articles on the real effects of the aforementioned inebriants. :crankey:


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
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I can remember back around the early 70's we had a discussion about drugs. Our teacher told us that if you dip the point of a pin into LSD and then dip that pin into a glass of water and drink it, it WILL kill you. I'm not sure how he came up with that. We also had a teacher tell us about a concert that he went to where they passed around a jug of water, he drank some and could see through his eyelids for the rest of the night, said he didn't know it was laced with acid..He said he couldn't get to sleep all night because he could see through his eyelids and through the walls.

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: Zepplin]
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Outright lies in schoolbooks, such as that marijuana is 20 times more unhealthy than cigarettes.

In 8th grade (14 years old) a class mate told the teacher he smoked weed and how it was awesome, and she told him something like "You're lost, it's practically over for you soon".

And of course always being surrounded by the mentality that "if it's psychoactive, it's bad", and "hallucinating always means brain damage".

Well, how about the one "Lying is bad"? How about that one fuckers?


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: ROX]
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The big problem with the drug propaganda as kids is that they teach us a million lies to keep us away from drugs:

- Pot makes you stupid and you will probably die if you smoke it because it usually has rat poison in it

- Magic mushrooms make you see violent animals and makes you think they are attacking you

- LSD does the same thing as mushrooms

- Ecstacy is always laced with poison

- One hit of cocaine has a 50% chance of instant death

- It is impossible to quit heroin once you're hooked

which are all lies i have heard from school, cops etc.

Now, once the kids smoke pot for the first time and realize that what they were told about it was a lie, they begin to question what they were told about drugs. Someone does mushrooms and finds out that they never see any violent animals who are trying to kill them so they begin to wonder if there is anything bad about drugs at all... and then you get heroin addics and wonder what you did wrong to the kids for them to end up that way.

If only they told us the truth: Pot will not hurt you, mushrooms and LSD probably won't hurt you as long as you wait till you're old enough to try them, but drugs like cocaine and heroin WILL hurt you and ARE incredibly bad for you. If they had told us the truth from the beginning, alot of people would not be habitual drug users today.

Fuckin idiots, i just want to move to a country where drug use is tolerated so i know i'm not going to have gov't propaganda about drug use shoved down my throat and my children's (when i have them) throats. I wish hallucinogens were viewed with respect and viewed as tools of self-discovery and mind-exploration and not the horrible ominous title "a drug".

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: ROX]
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Edited by StickyWater (05/02/08 11:50 PM)

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: StickyWater]
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i remember being oblivios to drugs. then in middleschool i fell in love with pinkfloyd and tool and started playing guitar. and drug usage just seemed like a rite of passage for a musician.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: moon_glue]
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If they don't just flat-out tell you that psychedelics make you go crazy they love to go on about tremors, nausea, anxiety, paranoia, a feeling of impending death, etc. like they're a typical part of the experience. Granted, shrooms fuck with my stomach pretty bad, but I've never had any of that other crap.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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My friend had an aunt, I believe(could have been a cousin). It was a non formal get together, and we were on the subject of intelligence and being a responsible person. She's always impressed with me. This time, she was talking to his younger brother about staying away from drugs. She used me an example of why to stay away.

"See, he has an IQ of 160, and he's been at the top of his class his whole life. Honors everything. He joined the Marines at 18, and now is a successful supervisor inspector for the utilities with a nice home and wife. If you want to end up like him, you better stay off drugs".


I later pulled her aside and blew her mind.

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: GrizzyCappy]
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my teacher was talking about bad trips once and i raised my hand....this was senior year....and i said ive had scary dreams and tose freaked me out bad but ive had scary trips and i turned it around and made it fun as hell....

it was funny...she was pisssed:tongue2:

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: GrizzyCappy]
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**and then the thread went into a philosphical rant about how the drug war is a profiteering mechanism designed to rake in billions of tax dollars every year.**




...and it is...


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My favorites are weeping willows, which aren't really weeping at all. They're very wispy, witty and will dance in the breeze with you. Nothing like a tree that wants to dance with you. Although it doesn't like its thin limbs being pulled at all, it absolutely LOVES it when you walk through them, letting them gently slide over your face and shoulders. If you're naked, the willow considers it to be sex. It will orgasm on your mind and you will blow dream chunks into outer space. All very fun until your neighbor sees you.                                    -The Joekenorer

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: joekenorer]
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Its to protect Americans silly.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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and from themselves, no less.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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These stories are hilarious.
Although its sad.

I live a few miles from Amsterdam and my drug education was honest luckily.
The education was given by people from a rehab center, most of them had used drugs themselves.

They put a lot of emphasis on responsible, safe use. They actually said shrooms can have really positive effects if used in a responsible way.
And how xtc will not harm you if you don't use more than once every 6-8 weeks. But they also told us about the possible negative effects if you abuse it.

Afterwards we went to a police station where a heroin addict talked to us about how his life had gone downhill since he started using. And told us it is extremely difficult to get off that shit if you've lost everything you have, while having no hope whatsoever.

So afterwards everyone was like: well, Im never going to touch heroin. And speed or cocaine could get kinda nasty too. But experimenting a bit with weed or shrooms should be ok.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: Floop]
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Nothing wrong with heroin or cocaine, its just about over ridng your impulses and their comes a time when its necessary to stop chasing the dragon. I bet you they've never brought up a thing called moderation in a dare meeting.

I'm a firm believer and advocate of harm reduction, its the way to go... unfortuanetly we in the good ol usa would rather predispose our citizens to a general lack of responsibility and give them far less credit then they deserve.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
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Reminds me of the time that they told me that "LSD lasts 12 hours, imagine having bugs crawl over your body for 12 hours straight"

I dectected the bullshit right away because no one in their right mind would take a drug so horrible, much less an epidemic of drug use.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
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i remember dare was cool because once the cop brought in like a half gram of weed to show us "what to be on the lookout for." it was my first peek. :crazy2:

dare was like stopped for two years after i "graduated" from the program because apparantly it offered so much useful information that the kids coming out of dare did more drugs than the kids who didnt take dare lol

dont know about that super cool "new dare" though.


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2. That Energy, call'd Evil, is alone from the Body; & that Reason, call'd Good, is alone from the Soul.
3. That God will torment Man in Eternity for following his energies.

But the following Contraries are to these are True:
1. Man has no Body distinct from his Soul; for that call'd Body is a portion of the Soul discern'd by the five Senses, the chief inlets of Soul in this age.
2. Energy is the only life, and is from the Body; and Reason is the bound or outward circumference of Energy.
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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
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All bullshit.

Everyone knows babies taste better when cooked using a conventional oven.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said:
I heard that they stopped doing the roleplaying sessions. Apparently all the kids wanted to play the guy who was high because it was a great excuse to goof off.

Very telling, I think.

haha man when we had to act it out we made huge joints made out of twisted paper and had a real good time. The best part was that one of the kids doing it with us was already a pot head! We had so much fun with those joints the teacher took them away from us..


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: tempingasashaman]
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"When you're on the playground and a stranger comes up to you and offers you candy, don't take it! It's probably a drug dealer using acid to get you HOOKED!"

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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: AlCapwn]
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AlCapwn said:
Reminds me of the time that they told me that "LSD lasts 12 hours, imagine having bugs crawl over your body for 12 hours straight"

I dectected the bullshit right away because no one in their right mind would take a drug so horrible, much less an epidemic of drug use.


You're definitely a sharp one. Much sharper than I was.

When I was in school in Canada we had some drug education that was pre-high school, and most of it was classifying drugs in general as 'bad', and including only long-term health problems and not differentiating between hard and soft drugs. Psychedelics, disassociates, hallucinogens in general were all grouped in one giant mush-slurry with things like amphetamines and barbiturates. None of the upsides were mentioned, and none of the long term health benefits were mentioned (naturally, I suppose).

It wasn't until I did my own research and respected myself and the substances enough that I got a clear view of what they truly are and can be used for. Ever since I've never had my trust in the government been so shaken, and never before had I felt so lied to and mentally violated.

Now I feel... liberated. Because although tacky to say so, knowledge is indeed power.


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Re: Brainwashed against mushrooms as a kid? [Re: Wapakz]
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I'm really glad I got to go through dare! I know (because of the program) that all drugs are in group, which is labeled as "Really bad for you"! All of them do the same amount of terrible damage! Everything out there being sold on the street will fucking KILL YOU.

I never graduated from dare :tongue2:


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