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lauwebud
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COIR questions, why coffee...etc.
#6964413 - 05/25/07 02:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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so I've got some rye tek jar...well...a few, there was an accident. and I'm about to mix it in with some Coir as a substraight and wait until it's ready to case (I'll use 50/50 peat,verm for that), however I have some "coir" questions.
1. should I mix in any spent coffee grounds and why, if so how much per bead a beast brick?
2. I've seen it done with just coir, what if anything do i really need to mix in for best results?
3. how ruff can I get mixing it in when I put in the rye jars?
4. what ratio of coir to colonized rye? I'm heard too many variations so I'm asking?
4. how deep should the bottom layer be when I'm done (coir/rye mix)?
5. am I better mixing in the rye to the coir, covering and incubating, then casing? or should I put a level of substraight then rye then casing..then let it incubate until the whtie shines through?
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: lauwebud]
#6964491 - 05/25/07 04:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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1.yes it adds nitrogen which helps with potency i have noticed i add 1 normal pot of coffee's worth of spent grounds. 2.for best results mix with everything you can straw,hpoo,cowpoo,compost,etc etc since all these things contribute something a little different it would be a very balanced substrate for the mycelium and would hold allot of water for good flushes. 3.i don't really understand this question?????? 4.for fastest i would do a 1:5 most people on here though only do about 1:8 or 1:10. 5.what you want to do is mix the colonized rye with the coir incubate let that colonize completely then add the casing layer then once you see mycelium in a few spots patch and put into the fc search for pinning strategy the poster should be hyphae
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: xaxphaanes]
#6964698 - 05/25/07 07:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hyphae's pinning strategy:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3290155
3. You can be as rough as you want with the mixing, go ahead and tap that ass around...
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lauwebud
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: Akira]
#6966211 - 05/25/07 03:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks guys. so you're saying for every 1 quart of rye, use five quarts of coir, mixed with coffee grounds?
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: lauwebud]
#6966215 - 05/25/07 03:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yea thats what i do for best colonization time 1:5 ratio kicks ass
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: xaxphaanes]
#6966283 - 05/25/07 04:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i throw my coffee grounds when i'm hydrating the coir. and two jars for each brick of coir seems to be sufficient.
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: soulsizzle]
#6966703 - 05/25/07 06:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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if I went as low as one to three, to save flowering chamber space, would there still be enough nutrients or would that be to agressive/too much rye?
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: lauwebud]
#6966749 - 05/25/07 07:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can mix it at any ratio you want. Even half rye and half coir or manure works. There's no rules. I'd still recommend using gypsum at ten percent of the amount of the bulk substrate such as coir, manure, coffee grinds, compost, etc. RR
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6966895 - 05/25/07 07:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks roger, you're a great guy.
so here's then end I'm looking toward, for every 1qt rye jar I'm going to spawn it to a 2qt's substraight(80% coir, 10% coffee grounds, 10% gypsum) then cover it with foil until it's all the pretty white color I love so much.
then case it with 50%verm/50% peet moss, when the white peeks through..patch it and pop it in the FC with 24 hour light, 90%+ RH, and wait for the pinning and mushies.
sound like a plan?
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: lauwebud]
#6966994 - 05/25/07 08:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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is gypsum and plaster of Paris the same thing?
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: MYSTIQUE]
#6967232 - 05/25/07 09:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wikipedia: "Calcium sulfate is a common laboratory and industrial chemical. In the form of γ-anhydrite (a nearly anhydrous form), it is sold as a laboratory desiccant. The hemihydrate (CaSO4.~0.5H2O) is better known as plaster of Paris, while the dihydrate (CaSO4.2H2O) occurs naturally as gypsum."
Hemihydrate: A hydrate in which the molecular ratio of water molecules to anhydrous compound is 1:2.
Dihydrate: A compound with two molecules of water of hydration.
It doesn't look like any other chemicals have been mixed with it:
"When the dry plaster powder is mixed with water, it re-forms into gypsum, Plaster is used as a building material similar to mortar or cement. Like those materials plaster starts as a dry powder that is mixed with water to form a paste, which then hardens. Unlike mortar and cement, plaster remains quite soft after drying, and can be easily manipulated with metal tools or even sandpaper. These characteristics make plaster suitable for a finishing, rather than a load-bearing material."
Edited by ozzyozzyozzy (05/25/07 09:23 PM)
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: MYSTIQUE]
#6967266 - 05/25/07 09:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
MYSTIQUE said: is gypsum and plaster of Paris the same thing?
No, but similar. Gypsum is calcium sulphate and it's available at every garden center worthy of being in business.
Gypsum provides essential nutrients to the mycelium, and also prevents pH swings. As mycelium colonizes a substrate or casing layer, it naturally makes the medium become more acidic, thus more favorable for mold development. Gypsum prevents the swing and helps to hold the pH stable.
Use gypsum at ten percent of the amount of the bulk substrate, not at 11.1%, which is what it would be if you did 80% coir, ten percent gypsum and ten percent coffee. In other words, mix up your bulk substrate. Mix the coffee, manure, coir, worm castings, etc., in whatever ratio toots your whistle. Then, for every ten units of substrate, use one unit of gypsum. You can use less gypsum, but I wouldn't go over ten percent. Many commercial growers use between five and ten percent. For five percent gypsum, use one unit of gypsum for each 20 units of substrate. Mix all the dry ingredients together first, and then add moisture to field capacity. Pasteurize for 60 to 90 minutes at 140F-160F. By that, I mean a thermometer stuck into the center of the substrate needs to sit in the 140F to 160F(60C to 70C) range for one full hour after reaching that point.
Add it to casing mixes also at 10% of the peat. That means for a 50/50 casing with ten units of peat and ten units of verm, you'd add one unit of gypsum. RR
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6967486 - 05/25/07 10:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you. I think I was about to make a mess out of my sub.
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: MYSTIQUE]
#6967579 - 05/25/07 10:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is calcium sulphate better than calcium carbonate?
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: Nibin]
#6967860 - 05/25/07 11:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok, um quick question... do I weigh to measure of use dry measurements like cups??
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: lauwebud]
#6967865 - 05/25/07 11:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The latter. Ten percent by dry volume. RR
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6967886 - 05/26/07 12:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks man.
-------------------- "So you're saying you have 2 pounds right now"
"yeah"
"can I buy some"
"no"
"can I have some for free"
"Sure"
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Re: COIR questions, why coffee...etc. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#25582912 - 10/31/18 10:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you for the detailed explanation RR.
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