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AP Headline
    #696400 - 06/23/02 01:41 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Israel promises crushing response.

It's about time. Stupid ass homicide bombers have accomplished nothing more than bringing down the wrath of the Israelis upon them. Hopefully this time the Israelis will wipe the terrorist scumbags from the face of the Earth.

What they should do is every time another bomb goes off, remove an entire Palestinian city from the planet. For each bomb, an additional city vanishes, including every man woman, and child.

Sooner or later the homicide bombings will stop or there will be no more Palestinians.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #696413 - 06/23/02 01:52 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

the israelis killing every man woman and child. wow, they are so superior to the suicide bombers then....

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    #696422 - 06/23/02 02:03 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I never said they were superior, it's just that by now I should think they've had enough. They need to make the price of killing too high for those scumbag homicide bombers to pay. And they need to do it sooner rather than later.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #696452 - 06/23/02 02:18 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

by killing every palestinian man woman and child, they are lowering themselves to the same level of the palestinians. worse in fact, because the palestinians will never achieve that sort of total genocide. just because the israeli's have tanks and such does not make their cause just.

the israelis and palestinians share the blame for the current situation. neither is satisfied to coexist peacefully. both Arafat's and Sharon's regimes desire bloodshed, and ultimately, complete control of the region.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #696546 - 06/23/02 03:17 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

LS, you need to go do some historical research and find out WHY Israel is in the WRONG here.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #696737 - 06/23/02 04:54 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Genocide, is that the answer?

"For each bomb, an additional city vanishes, including every man woman, and child.

"Sooner or later the homicide bombings will stop or there will be no more Palestinians."

I know you would never say, "Yes, I am in favor of genocide." Or would you? This is exactly the attitude I was talking about in the suicide bomber thread, where we pick up on the hatred so quickly, but the despair goes all but unnoticed.

Remember that hypothetical scenerio I put up earlier this month, that you responded to? Notice you NEVER did try to really put yourself in the position of the hypothetical individual. Go back and see, if you don't believe me. And I DARE you to do it and offer a response as if you were THAT person.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #696744 - 06/23/02 04:57 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Start with the city Mecca, then remove Medina if there is another attack.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #696913 - 06/23/02 06:08 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I say let them fight it out without our assistance....i personally don't give a shit whose in the wrong. And as for doing research as to who is wrong you don't have to search that far back to know that.

there cannot be peace without total destruction of one side. We need to stop telling isreal to calm down and let them fight it out. If isreal loses then so be it. Maybe then those cowards will start killing themselves.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Innvertigo]
    #697204 - 06/23/02 08:29 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I'm glad I did'nt go to your pre school, I'd be dead!

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Re: AP Headline [Re: hongomon]
    #697439 - 06/23/02 11:12 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Genocide? No.

Protection of ones women and children, yes.

As long as the homicide bombers keep doing the only thing they are good at, Israel should retaliate with overwhelming force. They must make the price to be paid for these bombings too horrible for the Palestinians to bear.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: nugsarenice]
    #697613 - 06/24/02 04:24 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

you made it to pre-school?


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Innvertigo]
    #697615 - 06/24/02 04:26 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

"I survived Balitmore Pre-School" I should get a tshirt and what not, it's like the middle east in balitmore, dudes get about every week in school, every day on the street.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #697756 - 06/24/02 07:09 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Ass hole, if you do not know, this is the 5th time a least ISRAEL INVADE PALESTINEAN PEOPLE LAND. They are not coward like the ISRAELIS attacking defenceless people with helicopters and F-15. It is Sad but is the only way they have to defend their land. Many people in the US could do the same if they felt this amout of pressure to defend homeland.

I hate terrorism and oppressors.
Israel just need to leave Palestin alone and the bombings will stop.


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    #697765 - 06/24/02 07:13 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Mothefucker genocide lover!


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #697771 - 06/24/02 07:15 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Go back to school and take a history course dude!


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Teiro]
    #698045 - 06/24/02 09:38 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I don't need a history lesson to know that walking into a crowd of women and children and detonating a bomb is wrong. Too bad those murdering pussy Palestinians don't know that. I actually had a small amount of sympathy for them until the pussys started to go out of their way to just kill for the sake of killing.

Real men wouldn't do that.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Teiro]
    #698048 - 06/24/02 09:39 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Only a cowardly asshole kills innocent women and especially children.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #698055 - 06/24/02 09:42 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #698151 - 06/24/02 10:42 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to "Only a cowardly asshole kills innocent women and especially children."...So I guess that would classify Isreal as cowardly assholes as well?...Not to mention the good ol' U.S of A...the king of killers...


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Rono]
    #698208 - 06/24/02 11:07 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Really? We cross borders with bombs under our clothes and climb aboard a bus full of kids and detonate it? Or we go into a deli and blow it up? Or a hall where a wedding reception is going on and blow them up?

And the Israelis do that as well?

Frankly, you're too foolish to even waste my time on.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #698216 - 06/24/02 11:13 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

No, you are much more cowardly..you send missles instead. No need to get bloody right?


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #698221 - 06/24/02 11:15 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Suicide bombings really don't even accomplish
anything. They're counterproductive.

I read in my newspaper that on the Saudi version
of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? they had on
the mothers of suicide bombers. That's pretty
crazy! I think it's pretty crazy.

But, see, all the Arabs and the regular Muslims
just like to see stuff exploding, kind of. You know?
Suicide bombings are like a sitcom over there. I
bet people discuss them around the watercooler.
Or around whatever they get water out of. Like,
discussing al-Aqsa and Islamic Jihad and Hamas.

If those Palestinians could protest the murder of
their people and the stealing of their land peacefully,
they'd be able to make a better case for getting
their own state thing.

But, I don't think either side really gives a fuck. I
don't think they mind anymore.

"So, what's new?"
"Well, there was a suciding bombing downtown
today. Twenty dead, thirty seven injured. The
government says it's going to occupy a bunch
of land or something until they stop."
"No, I said, What's new."
"I just got my bike back."
"Back?"
"Yeah, one of the front brake pad things came right
off."
"Oh."
"It just came right off."
"Weird."
"Yeah, but I got it fixed. But the brake works better
on one side now."


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #698305 - 06/24/02 12:07 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

dude you did'nt see that movie where the cia bombed a drug dealers's house with a missle, during his granddaughters' birthday party, that was fucked up.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #698474 - 06/24/02 02:06 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

i'm sure dropping nuclear bombs on cities was a noble act.
i'm sure the rounding up and execution of suspected terrorists is a quality of a good country.
i'm sure a fair and good country would maintain a system of government where being a certain religion makes you of a lower class and subject to different laws.
and i'm sure a decent country would kick people off their land and force them into refugee camps.

and i'm sure if you were evicted from your home and forced to move to some strange place with very poor conditions, you would be content.



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Re: AP Headline [Re: Rono]
    #698509 - 06/24/02 02:41 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Let me know next time we deliberately bomb a bus or a deli.

Palestinian homicide bombers are scumbags no matter how you guys try to justify what they do.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #698524 - 06/24/02 02:50 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that the palastinians homocide bombers and those that support them are scumbags. To say anything less would be a false statement. I find it humorous that the people that see "in their minds" the isrealites killing palastinian "innocents" while turning a blind eye to those that deliberatly seek out woman and children to kill. I want one example of a isreal attack that innocent victims were the primary objective. Collateral damage is bad and isreal makes calculations on how to reduce them, however when these cowards run half their operations inside schools and residential houses it's impossible to only kill those that are killing hundreds if not thousands of people. On this same note i'm not an expert on the history of Isreal and could really careless, however this does not justify the killing of innocent civilians. If they were killing isreali soldiers it would be a different story.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Innvertigo]
    #698530 - 06/24/02 02:53 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I say we need to take immeidate action, I mean lebonan obviously cannot handle smoking 5,0000000 million Israilie's up, with their little patch of land. So i suggest we use all that raided dea crops, and use it with purpose, go have Bush hand out marijunan and bongs to both peoples, and see who comes forward to smoke some serious peace talks out,

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    #698670 - 06/24/02 04:06 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

are you trying to be ignorant?


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #698822 - 06/24/02 05:43 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

innocent Palestinian deaths (women, children, non-militants, medical workers, elderly, etc.) outnumber innocent Isreali deaths 15 to 1.

Both sides have blood of innocents on their hands, but Israel has more.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: Innvertigo]
    #699318 - 06/24/02 09:28 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

thas a plan dude. YOu don't got one, you confused man.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: iglou]
    #699456 - 06/24/02 10:36 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

innocent Palestinian deaths (women, children, non-militants, medical workers, elderly, etc.) outnumber innocent Isreali deaths 15 to 1.




Prove it. Not counting the deaths of combatants. Just count the non-combatants. For the sake of arguement, even just count the women and children.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: nugsarenice]
    #699457 - 06/24/02 10:38 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

I say we need to take immeidate action, I mean lebonan obviously cannot handle smoking 5,0000000 million Israilie's up, with their little patch of land. So i suggest we use all that raided dea crops, and use it with purpose, go have Bush hand out marijunan and bongs to both peoples, and see who comes forward to smoke some serious peace talks out,




The magnitude of your stupidity amazes me more each day.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #699652 - 06/25/02 04:33 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

That ratio was taken from the recently-updated book "The Terrorism Industry" by Herman and O'Sullivan (Pantheon).

Here is an open directory of Israeli human rights abuses:

http://dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Warfare_and_Conflict/Specific_Conflicts/Middle_East/Israel-Palestine/Human_Rights/Civilian_Victims/

also,

http://www.robincmiller.com/melink3.htm#VI.B.5.

"'If you can guarantee that Israel will not target Palestinian civilians, I guarantee that suicide bombings inside Israel will come to an end,' Hamas founder and spiritual leader, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, told reporters early this week.

Once justified by Hamas as a legitimate form of resistance against the Israeli occupation, martyrdom is now used by the militant group on a tit-for-tat basis to avenge Israeli killing of Palestinian civilians.

'If they [the Israelis] give themselves the right to attack and kill our civilians in Nablus, Ramallah and Jenin, I see no reason why our fighters can't operate in Netanya, Haifa and Tel Aviv. The blood of their civilians is not more precious than the blood of our civilians,' argued Al-Rantisi."




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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #699661 - 06/25/02 04:49 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I accept Iglou's proof; what about you?

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #699735 - 06/25/02 06:08 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Have you seen the nasty Daniel Pearl Video?
As nasty as his killing is some baby palestinean ellied in the background footage.

I hate invader and killers. by the way those crossing borders are the Israelis, they are at Palestineans land.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #699753 - 06/25/02 06:22 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

if you want exact numbers, give me some time to dig those up. But, like I stated before, the ratio is roughly 15:1.

Perhaps the difference is the suicide bombings are much more of a spectacle and media fodder than when an Israeli solider opens fire into a crowd of women holding their children. A bombing makes better headlines than when a 10-year old is gunned down when he uses a sling-shot against a tank or a row of bulldozer that are knocking down his neighborhood so that the "chosen people" can live there instead (doesnt " the chosen people" seem eerily similar to "the master race"?).

I just find it terribly sad that those who decry Palestinian suicide bombers completely turn-a-blind-eye toward (or have no idea about) Israeli terror even though it completely surpasses that which they denouce.

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    #699869 - 06/25/02 07:53 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

The new hitler, sharon.



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Re: AP Headline [Re: mr freedom]
    #700053 - 06/25/02 09:40 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

sing the following link from Iglous "proof", here's the tally from Sep 30, 2000 to Mar 15, 2002.

50 Israelis
63 Palestinians
5 Unknown
1 Palestinian from friendly fire
5 Palestinians who were playing with a tank shell.

That's 15 to 1?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,662081,00.html


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #700060 - 06/25/02 09:43 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I missed the u in the word using. Not a mispell, just lousy typing.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: iglou]
    #700242 - 06/25/02 10:44 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

It doesn't say that here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/graphic/0,5812,712593,00.html

But the main thing I see as I go through those pages is what I've always figured--innocents are dying on BOTH SIDES! Let's stop playing the blame game, there's plenty to go around. There's probably even some for yous.

edit: for some reason that link doesn't work, but if you copy/paste the whole thing it does.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: nugsarenice]
    #700320 - 06/25/02 11:07 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

please tell me you're not our future. I'm still waiting for the proof that isreali's purposly target woman and children


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Innvertigo]
    #700370 - 06/25/02 11:24 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

just thought i'd throw that in there, I think thas where all yous get your info from, t.v. movies, is all correct! it got reviewed too, you know is correct.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: hongomon]
    #700501 - 06/25/02 12:09 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Go back and read who the Palestinian source was for that chart.

The Palestinian Red Crescent Society.

Now there's an unbiased source for you. Maybe they'll sell you a bridge or a alien corpse.

I mean really. Will you people believe everything no matter how poor the source?

In reply to:

There's probably even some for yous.




I assume by "yous", you mean me? Yous muust be kompletelly ful of krap!

And here starts the "edit"

What part of non-combatants do you not comprehend? You'll notice your chart link doesn't break it down. The link I posted only mentions non-combatants. I guess you like your chart link better since it suits your purposes better. Sad.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Innvertigo]
    #700511 - 06/25/02 12:12 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Sadly, half wits who will belive everything do appear to be our future. I fear for us all.

You'll get no proof from them for none exists.


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    #700516 - 06/25/02 12:14 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

how about all the protests that israili emigrants staged interntationally in protest of sharon, and his war, specifically in interviews done from ex-soldiers, who left by choice, the problem is that the army would specifically target women and children.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: nugsarenice]
    #700531 - 06/25/02 12:20 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Nugs,I give them the same amount of credibility I give you.

Not one fucking bit.


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    #700546 - 06/25/02 12:24 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

ok.... you brought up the bias, but you being biased?? what kind of evidence is standard procedure to you?? a confession? from sharon?

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Re: AP Headline [Re: nugsarenice]
    #700583 - 06/25/02 12:38 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

No nugs, I wouldn't completely agree with Sharon either. My source was the same as the source mentioned by another. My link to a list was for non-combatants and disproved the totally bogus 15 to 1 claim. I have no trouble believing that both figures are correct. It's just that when someones claims that for every innocent Israeli 15 innocent Palestinians dies, it needs to be pointed out just how full of shit that someone is.

Scumbags kill innocents with bombs. Still no one has shown proof that Israelis deliberately target innocents.

I have no love for either side, I do have a love for facts.

I do have a love for the defense of women and children and I repeat, the Israelis must make the cost of homicide bombings too painful for those cowardly Palestinian bombers to bear.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: nugsarenice]
    #700620 - 06/25/02 12:51 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

****I think thas where all yous get your info from, t.v. movies, is all correct! it got reviewed too, you know is correct. *****

Work on your grammar skills, i can't understand a word you're typing. Now i assume you're stating that i get all my info from TV. Well you my friend are wrong again. What i've asked has nothing to do with any media, rather pure common sense and decentcy. What i asked, and you selectivley, refuse to answer is this:

Who has proof that isrealites purposly target women and children as part of their main objective?

all who are pro palestinians should have no problem answering this..you to nugs


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    #700694 - 06/25/02 01:14 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

your right, statements made by people can't be used in court,,,,

if you did'nt understand you would'n trepoly, i g ues awe b epseaking diferetnt languages.

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    #700906 - 06/25/02 02:30 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

you're ignorance boggles the mind

are you going to answer my question or not?


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Innvertigo]
    #701136 - 06/25/02 03:57 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I think if he could have, he would have. Not that it would be anything understandable.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #701704 - 06/25/02 07:05 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone who denies that there are innocent people dying on BOTH sides of that conflict is a fool. There is just no way one can stick oneself on a particular side of something like that and say "Side X is not targetting civilians" and not look like a complete buffoon. It's urban warfare, for Christ's sake!

And if common sense isn't allowed--Jesus, how the hell can one go through all the news coming out of there and still say this is as black and white as a Disney movie! Now, I like Disney movies, but maybe they do us a disservice by instilling a good-bad dichotomy that rarely, RARELY applies to the real world.

Of course, when a person says, "Side Y is evil for targetting civillians--let's bomb every last one of them into the next life!", can we really take him or her seriously?

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #701735 - 06/25/02 07:20 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Figures for Palestinian casualties came from the Palestinian Red Crescent Society. Figures for Israeli casualties came from B'tselem. Are you saying the PRC figures are full of shit because the PRC is linked to the Palestinians? Is that the sole basis of your claim? In fairness to the Guardian, you might offer something more substantial. And I suppose that B'tselem, an Israeli human rights organization, is probably biased too, seeing as they're often critical of Israel in all of this.

By yous I meant you plural. What I should have said was us. I drove my car thirty miles today--yes, I support terrorism. But I drank water when I would have liked a Coke, and we all do what we can.

Spelling's looking good, luv, keep it up.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: hongomon]
    #702033 - 06/25/02 10:58 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

Anyone who denies that there are innocent people dying on BOTH sides of that conflict is a fool. There is just no way one can stick oneself on a particular side of something like that and say "Side X is not targetting civilians" and not look like a complete buffoon. It's urban warfare, for Christ's sake!




I never said innocents on both sides aren't being killed.
I do not believe, and the numbers do not support, the claim that both sides are targeting innocents. Are you suggesting that a country with the military might of Israel couldn't kill many more if they were targeting innocents?
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In reply to:

And if common sense isn't allowed--Jesus, how the hell can one go through all the news coming out of there and still say this is as black and white as a Disney movie! Now, I like Disney movies, but maybe they do us a disservice by instilling a good-bad dichotomy that rarely, RARELY applies to the real world.




I never said any of this was black and white. I have said both sides are wrong. Where I draw the line though is homicide bombers. That, in black and white, is wrong.
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In reply to:

Of course, when a person says, "Side Y is evil for targetting civillians--let's bomb every last one of them into the next life!", can we really take him or her seriously?




It would quickly put an end to the majority of the bombings. I know that if anyone was to harm or kill any of my friends and/or family, I would do what was needed to be sure they were never in a position to do so again.
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In reply to:

Figures for Palestinian casualties came from the Palestinian Red Crescent Society. Figures for Israeli casualties came from B'tselem. Are you saying the PRC figures are full of shit because the PRC is linked to the Palestinians? Is that the sole basis of your claim? In fairness to the Guardian, you might offer something more substantial. And I suppose that B'tselem, an Israeli human rights organization, is probably biased too, seeing as they're often critical of Israel in all of this.




Sole basis? No. I've seen many reports from that "fine" orginization that have had grossly inflated casualty numbers. I think numbers compiled by a third party source, such as a newspaper, are far more realistic than numbers supplied by either party mentioned in the chart. These numbers were researched by a reporter. Now, I don't know anything about this particular reporter, but my read of his writing in this case is that he has no ax to grind for either side.


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    #702046 - 06/25/02 11:13 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

well, basically I'm trying to point out that in u.s. court, witness can testity to create "evidence". In turn jurors, can decide if the evidence is good, bad, wrong right, ignit, etc.

I know about some U.s. military murdering killing innnocent women and children, hongomon knows, felix knows, this military man just the other day shot his wife and kids. I can't find a link, go figure!


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #702637 - 06/26/02 07:49 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

i bet acceptable proof would be from israli military press releases right? cause after all, they didn't go into jenin, kill a few hundred civilians, then not allow press in there until they burried all the bodies en mass.


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    #702649 - 06/26/02 07:53 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

***I know about some U.s. military murdering killing innnocent women and children, hongomon knows, felix knows, this military man just the other day shot his wife and kids. I can't find a link, go figure! ***

yeah go figure..i figure you have no clue what you're talking about and not a person on this site will answer my question...typical for liberals.


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    #702684 - 06/26/02 08:00 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

****Anyone who denies that there are innocent people dying on BOTH sides of that conflict is a fool.****

Noone said that, maybe you want to answer my question then? It is a fact that innocent people are dying on both sides and that is tragic in itself, however the palastinian cowards are the only ones purposly targeting them..can you deny that?

***and not look like a complete buffoon***

and one could try to justify it and look more like a bufoon

****when a person says, "Side Y is evil for targetting civillians--let's bomb every last one of them into the next life!", can we really take him or her seriously? ****

Can you say that side X is purposly targeting civilians? I have a hard time taking your dribble seriously.

***Spelling's looking good, luv, keep it up. ***

I'd work on your debating skills before commenting on others spelling....you have a lot to learn.


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    #703822 - 06/26/02 07:38 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

actually this is a big story in Hawaii, was in the newspaper, and my brother and his friends, (military) all know about the murder. The guy was a naval officer.

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    #704962 - 06/27/02 08:10 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

what in the hell are you talking about?


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    #704966 - 06/27/02 08:11 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I'm talking about U.s. Military killing innocent women and children, purposefuly, with direct proof, don't you all feel stupid now.

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    #705170 - 06/27/02 09:26 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Nugs, is it a family trait that you go a little farther into foolishness each and every day?

Let me put it another way. What does one US military guy killing his wife and kids (assuming you got even that much of the story right) have to do with this thread?


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    #705174 - 06/27/02 09:27 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

like I said, you wanted proof of american military killing innocent women and children, so I shared, I'm not saying all military are like that.

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    #705210 - 06/27/02 09:42 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Even someone like you must be able to see the difference between one guy killing his family, and an orginized effort to slaughter an entire race of people.

Or are you that far out of touch?


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    #705284 - 06/27/02 10:16 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, I guess it does'nt apply to the problem but is good for play on words.

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    #705474 - 06/27/02 11:23 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

It wasn't even that.


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    #705648 - 06/27/02 12:53 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

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    #705695 - 06/27/02 01:16 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

least I did'nt kill my wife and kids, I bet they guy was sober as doorknob too.

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    #706036 - 06/27/02 04:08 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

great comparison......**sigh**


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    #706227 - 06/27/02 05:25 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, and you're fucking it, you're probably fucking a duck.

Yes, I have no problem saying Israelis are purposely targetting civilians. I'm sure that there is a luvdemshrooms way of thinking found on the Israeli side. It's as understandable a reaction to all the bombings by Palestinians as the suicidal/homicidal tendencies of the Palestinians are to years of Israeli occupation and oppression.

Jenin is only one instance. It was an instance where it was thought there would be clear evidence of what the Israeli military had been doing, and so it was pushed. Unfortunately, Israel didn't let any inquiries take place. So now it's back to speculation. And people say "Prove it!" as if they have some trump. Prove to me that OJ killed his ex-wife and her boyfriend.

If I'm pulled over by a cop and I fail the sobriety test, I can refuse to take the breathalizer. But I'll still be charged with DUI, right?

But really, the whole Israel-Palestine conflict is a distraction--a straw man to take us from more pertinent issues. There's no peace over there. Even if it only came down to a matter of religion, there wouldn't be peace.

Oh, and when someone says, "Learn to spell and write a 'coherant' sentence," you can be sure I'm going to raz that person. That's too rich to pass up! And then for the same person to do it again a week later, that's too much!

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