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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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No, you are much more cowardly..you send missles instead. No need to get bloody right?


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Suicide bombings really don't even accomplish
anything. They're counterproductive.

I read in my newspaper that on the Saudi version
of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? they had on
the mothers of suicide bombers. That's pretty
crazy! I think it's pretty crazy.

But, see, all the Arabs and the regular Muslims
just like to see stuff exploding, kind of. You know?
Suicide bombings are like a sitcom over there. I
bet people discuss them around the watercooler.
Or around whatever they get water out of. Like,
discussing al-Aqsa and Islamic Jihad and Hamas.

If those Palestinians could protest the murder of
their people and the stealing of their land peacefully,
they'd be able to make a better case for getting
their own state thing.

But, I don't think either side really gives a fuck. I
don't think they mind anymore.

"So, what's new?"
"Well, there was a suciding bombing downtown
today. Twenty dead, thirty seven injured. The
government says it's going to occupy a bunch
of land or something until they stop."
"No, I said, What's new."
"I just got my bike back."
"Back?"
"Yeah, one of the front brake pad things came right
off."
"Oh."
"It just came right off."
"Weird."
"Yeah, but I got it fixed. But the brake works better
on one side now."


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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dude you did'nt see that movie where the cia bombed a drug dealers's house with a missle, during his granddaughters' birthday party, that was fucked up.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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i'm sure dropping nuclear bombs on cities was a noble act.
i'm sure the rounding up and execution of suspected terrorists is a quality of a good country.
i'm sure a fair and good country would maintain a system of government where being a certain religion makes you of a lower class and subject to different laws.
and i'm sure a decent country would kick people off their land and force them into refugee camps.

and i'm sure if you were evicted from your home and forced to move to some strange place with very poor conditions, you would be content.



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Re: AP Headline [Re: Rono]
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Let me know next time we deliberately bomb a bus or a deli.

Palestinian homicide bombers are scumbags no matter how you guys try to justify what they do.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I agree that the palastinians homocide bombers and those that support them are scumbags. To say anything less would be a false statement. I find it humorous that the people that see "in their minds" the isrealites killing palastinian "innocents" while turning a blind eye to those that deliberatly seek out woman and children to kill. I want one example of a isreal attack that innocent victims were the primary objective. Collateral damage is bad and isreal makes calculations on how to reduce them, however when these cowards run half their operations inside schools and residential houses it's impossible to only kill those that are killing hundreds if not thousands of people. On this same note i'm not an expert on the history of Isreal and could really careless, however this does not justify the killing of innocent civilians. If they were killing isreali soldiers it would be a different story.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Innvertigo]
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I say we need to take immeidate action, I mean lebonan obviously cannot handle smoking 5,0000000 million Israilie's up, with their little patch of land. So i suggest we use all that raided dea crops, and use it with purpose, go have Bush hand out marijunan and bongs to both peoples, and see who comes forward to smoke some serious peace talks out,

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Re: AP Headline [Re: nugsarenice]
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are you trying to be ignorant?


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Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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innocent Palestinian deaths (women, children, non-militants, medical workers, elderly, etc.) outnumber innocent Isreali deaths 15 to 1.

Both sides have blood of innocents on their hands, but Israel has more.

Zionism = Nazism


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Re: AP Headline [Re: Innvertigo]
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thas a plan dude. YOu don't got one, you confused man.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: iglou]
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In reply to:
innocent Palestinian deaths (women, children, non-militants, medical workers, elderly, etc.) outnumber innocent Isreali deaths 15 to 1.



Prove it. Not counting the deaths of combatants. Just count the non-combatants. For the sake of arguement, even just count the women and children.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Edited by luvdemshrooms (06/25/02 12:13 PM)

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Re: AP Headline [Re: nugsarenice]
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In reply to:
I say we need to take immeidate action, I mean lebonan obviously cannot handle smoking 5,0000000 million Israilie's up, with their little patch of land. So i suggest we use all that raided dea crops, and use it with purpose, go have Bush hand out marijunan and bongs to both peoples, and see who comes forward to smoke some serious peace talks out,



The magnitude of your stupidity amazes me more each day.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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That ratio was taken from the recently-updated book "The Terrorism Industry" by Herman and O'Sullivan (Pantheon).

Here is an open directory of Israeli human rights abuses:

http://dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Warfare_and_Conflict/Specific_Conflicts/Middle_East/Israel-Palestine/Human_Rights/Civilian_Victims/

also,

http://www.robincmiller.com/melink3.htm#VI.B.5.

"'If you can guarantee that Israel will not target Palestinian civilians, I guarantee that suicide bombings inside Israel will come to an end,' Hamas founder and spiritual leader, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, told reporters early this week.

Once justified by Hamas as a legitimate form of resistance against the Israeli occupation, martyrdom is now used by the militant group on a tit-for-tat basis to avenge Israeli killing of Palestinian civilians.

'If they [the Israelis] give themselves the right to attack and kill our civilians in Nablus, Ramallah and Jenin, I see no reason why our fighters can't operate in Netanya, Haifa and Tel Aviv. The blood of their civilians is not more precious than the blood of our civilians,' argued Al-Rantisi."



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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I accept Iglou's proof; what about you?

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Have you seen the nasty Daniel Pearl Video?
As nasty as his killing is some baby palestinean ellied in the background footage.

I hate invader and killers. by the way those crossing borders are the Israelis, they are at Palestineans land.


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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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if you want exact numbers, give me some time to dig those up. But, like I stated before, the ratio is roughly 15:1.

Perhaps the difference is the suicide bombings are much more of a spectacle and media fodder than when an Israeli solider opens fire into a crowd of women holding their children. A bombing makes better headlines than when a 10-year old is gunned down when he uses a sling-shot against a tank or a row of bulldozer that are knocking down his neighborhood so that the "chosen people" can live there instead (doesnt " the chosen people" seem eerily similar to "the master race"?).

I just find it terribly sad that those who decry Palestinian suicide bombers completely turn-a-blind-eye toward (or have no idea about) Israeli terror even though it completely surpasses that which they denouce.

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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The new hitler, sharon.



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Re: AP Headline [Re: mr freedom]
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sing the following link from Iglous "proof", here's the tally from Sep 30, 2000 to Mar 15, 2002.

50 Israelis
63 Palestinians
5 Unknown
1 Palestinian from friendly fire
5 Palestinians who were playing with a tank shell.

That's 15 to 1?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,662081,00.html


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: AP Headline [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I missed the u in the word using. Not a mispell, just lousy typing.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: AP Headline [Re: iglou]
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It doesn't say that here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/graphic/0,5812,712593,00.html

But the main thing I see as I go through those pages is what I've always figured--innocents are dying on BOTH SIDES! Let's stop playing the blame game, there's plenty to go around. There's probably even some for yous.

edit: for some reason that link doesn't work, but if you copy/paste the whole thing it does.

Edited by hongomon (06/25/02 10:46 AM)

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