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 jonathanseagull
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 Avatars 
#6963061 - 05/24/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I do not know much about this topic, but have come across it many times. My knowledge, which very well may be incorrect, is that they are incarnations of God, in human form.
I basically wanted to start this thread to learn, even though I could easily do a google search on the topic. The reason I didn't is because I wanted to actual discussion. Who believes in such beings? Who in our history, or even presently alive, has been one? Could one argue that we all are one?
It'd be cool if someone could fill me in on what I need to know about this topic, and also give their opinions on the issue as well.
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I've heard people say LSD is an avatar of Krishna in the modern world.
There may be some truth to that, because it causes (in me anyway) the arisal of unbearable compassion, and prompts me to move further down the path of meditative awareness (however slowly).
I think everyone has the potential to be an avatar (is there a similarity here, doctrinally, to a Bodhisattva or the inward Christ-nature?), but many of us are victimized and become avatars of faceless corporations, fashions, and personality cults.
I think my avatar is pretty cool and trippy. 
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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And searched this human race
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onlynow
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Quote:
jonathanseagull said:
Who in our history, or even presently alive, has been one?
http://www.shreeswami.org/avatars-perfect-masters-sadguru.htm
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fireworks_god
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I'm the avatar of the spirit of... damn, I can't think of any words to describe it. Its a sense.... yes, anyways, I'm an avatar of it. 
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Like being here
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MarkostheGnostic
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Being known as an avatar is a pretty high claim to fame - a mostly Hindu notion which includes the Buddha and the next one in line - Kalki. It is a title that others put on a being, like a 33rd degree Mason. Anyone claiming the title for him/herself is just a megalomaniac.
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 Silversoul
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It should be noted that the type of avatar you are referring to is the Dasavatara: one of the ten major avatars of Vishnu. There are also numerous lesser avatars. Also, Shiva is said to have had some avatars as well, most notably Adi Shankara.
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onlynow
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Quote:
MarkostheGnostic said:
Anyone claiming the title for him/herself is just a megalomaniac.
Sign me up.
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Like being here
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dblaney
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Why must God be other?
There is no such thing as an "avatar." I suppose you could say that we are all manifestations of God, and that some people realize this. There is no group of people that are manifestation of God while others aren't.
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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
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onlynow
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 Re: Avatars [Re: dblaney]
#6965692 - 05/25/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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dblaney said:
Why must God be other?
There is no such thing as an "avatar." I suppose you could say that we are all manifestations of God, and that some people realize this. There is no group of people that are manifestation of God while others aren't.
There are certainly people with more consciousness than others and who are more evolved. It could be their nature or it could be something else, but since they are more evolved they are greater manifestations of God. We are all manifestations of God, but it just makes sence that there are different levels. Some people are more egoic, and some are more tuned into themselves. Some experience greater bliss, some feel they will never find bliss. Those with bliss can bring bliss to others, and this is what I believe is an aspect of a greater manifestation of "god".
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dblaney
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Re: Avatars [Re: onlynow]
#6965847 - 05/25/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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If there were different levels of Ultimate/Absolute, it wouldn't really be the Ultimate would it? You're talking from a very relativistic perspective, comparing one person's sense of self with another. Does living with such an attitude bring you fulfillment, or does it breed self-consciousness and competition?
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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"
"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer
Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Avatars [Re: dblaney]
#6966872 - 05/25/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
dblaney said:
Why must God be other?
There is no such thing as an "avatar." I suppose you could say that we are all manifestations of God, and that some people realize this. There is no group of people that are manifestation of God while others aren't.
Hindus who follow the Dvaita(dualist) philosophy would say that only avatars are manifestations of God, but the Advaita(non-dualist) school would say that an avatar is someone who has fully realized their divine nature.
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Psuper
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~If anyone here recalls the milk miracles in India that were happening sometime during the 1990's.......this is where a number of statues (especially of Ganesh supposedly) are documented (on video, accounts, etc.) to have been drinking offered milk during a short period of time. Many Hindus believe that this was a sign of the birth of a mahatma ("great soul", title given to people such as in Mahatma Gandhi) or possibly even an avatar. This is worth looking up if you don't know what I am talking about. I don't know the whole truth of it, of course, but I am telling you that there is some bizarre video out there where you can see statues, even images, supposedly taking up milk out of a spoon.~
~As far as for LSD being an avatar....this idea, I think, was only proposed or floated by a few western writers. Ram dass (Richard Alpert) and Timothy Leary most prominently. The idea being that God incarnated as a "material" (the LSD) because we are living in a "material" age. Certainly most people ascribing to a Hindu belief system (Sanatana Dharmah) would not support this idea. Sadhus for example (predominately Shaivite, I believe) use ganja as an aid in meditation and detachment but certainely don't consider it an avatar and must be aware that though it aids their sadhana (spiritual practice) their must be those out their who misuse it for "material" reasons.~
~I think what is even more interesting is the idea that psychedelic mushrooms inspired so much of our spirituality, as proposed by Terrence McKenna, among others. An ancient use of this holy, organic sacrament. Of course, the impacts of this become profound. Yet, I am not seeing even the magic mushroom being referred to as an avatar, though teonacatl ("flesh of the Gods"); I guess thinking about it now, these beliefs are similar in construct. How do these ideas collide and come out inside of your head? ~Pixie~
Edited by Psuper (02/23/08 10:30 AM)
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Icelander
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Quote:
jonathanseagull said:
I do not know much about this topic, but have come across it many times. My knowledge, which very well may be incorrect, is that they are incarnations of God, in human form.
I basically wanted to start this thread to learn, even though I could easily do a google search on the topic. The reason I didn't is because I wanted to actual discussion. Who believes in such beings? Who in our history, or even presently alive, has been one? Could one argue that we all are one?
It'd be cool if someone could fill me in on what I need to know about this topic, and also give their opinions on the issue as well.
God incarnate, take a good look.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Avatars [Re: onlynow]
#8059795 - 02/23/08 10:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are certainly people with more consciousness than others and who are more evolved.
Thank you.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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MushroomTrip
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He was talking about me 
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Icelander
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Please don't fuck with the Icelander dearie. I don't like axing females as a rule.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Apollyphelion
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I believe the Bagpipe to be a sort of Avatar for the universe/reality itself.
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<------avatar, and a horrid one at that!
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