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Re: National Media's Refusal to Cover White Couple's Murder Suggests PC at Work [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6935602 - 05/18/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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We were debating the existence of the actual cultural, not whether or not the theory exists. At least I thought we were (seeing as the concept of all sorts of nonsense-ranging from flying saucers to big foot exist).




And I provided you with a book written by an Associate Professor of Media studies at Emerson claiming that there is infact a theory of victim culture.

Do you have a competing work by an academic claiming that no such culture exists, or are you just bringing up flying saucers and big foot to avoid dealing with the evidence at hand?

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Economist said:Zappaisgod got 380,000 hits when he searched for "culture of victimhood". Are you claiming to have gone through 380,000 webpages?




No.




Then how do you know that they are all nothing but propaganda?

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Re: National Media's Refusal to Cover White Couple's Murder Suggests PC at Work [Re: Economist]
    #6936939 - 05/19/07 12:30 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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And I provided you with a book written by an Associate Professor of Media studies at Emerson claiming that there is infact a theory of victim culture.




What is his evidence?


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Then how do you know that they are all nothing but propaganda?




I quickly read a couple of articles, looked at the headlines of the rest and made a generalization. Seriously, do I have to look at all 64 million articles on big foot to know that the concept of big foot is baloney? Sometimes you can just make a rational inference from a cursory reading.


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"Both liberty and equality are among the primary goals pursued by human beings through many centuries; but total liberty for wolves is death to the lambs" -- Isaiah Berlin

Edited by FrenchSocialist (05/19/07 12:33 AM)

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Re: National Media's Refusal to Cover White Couple's Murder Suggests PC at Work [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6937856 - 05/19/07 07:20 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

the media in general plays off our "white guilt"
unfortunately this is an invention of the left and the pc police

crimes against whites are never hate crimes
crimes against black by whites are always hate crimes

PC liberals have a bad habit of trying to infantalize minorities, expecially blacks
its a weird kind of racism....they seem to think we should let blacks slide on more things. "oh they're black, they've had it tough we should expect it from them" then when whites do something its "well he's white, he should have known better"

back to this story...ok so if people wanna argue liberal media bias is behind this story not being covered..why the fuck isnt fox covering this shit?

this story is something id figure oreilly to be all over
or hannity especially, he could use this to prove some bias and support 2nd ammendment rights
i dont get it, this is right up fox's alley, its scandalous, horrible details involved..
maybe in this "post imus" climate, everyone is too afraid of being labeled "racist"

even though i lean left, i have absolutely no white guilt
i dont feel bad for black people
i dont think they're second class citizens
i had no part in segregating them
i had no part in enslaving them
we need to start treating blacks as equals, not as children benevolant white people must treat with kid gloves

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Re: National Media's Refusal to Cover White Couple's Murder Suggests PC at Work [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #6937897 - 05/19/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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the media in general plays off our "white guilt"
unfortunately this is an invention of the left and the pc police

crimes against whites are never hate crimes
crimes against black by whites are always hate crimes





Can you give me any specific examples on how the media plays on white guilt?

Are you sure crimes against blacks by whites are always hate crimes? If you are going to expect me to accept that claim I will need a source.

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KingOftheThing said:back to this story...ok so if people wanna argue liberal media bias is behind this story not being covered..why the fuck isnt fox covering this shit?




I'm not sure if you meant that as an actual question, because if you presented that as a rhetorical question you are right. The media is more sensationalist then anything else.


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Re: National Media's Refusal to Cover White Couple's Murder Suggests PC at Work [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6938162 - 05/19/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

While it's not as absolute as KOTT put it:

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67.9 percent were victims of an anti-black bias.
19.9 percent were victims of an anti-white bias.




http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/victims.htm

That was for the 2005 year. I'm not going to even attempt to explain what has caused this disparity, but I would guess that it is a combination of more conventional racism against blacks (which led to violence) and a police and court system which finds it more acceptable to bring hate crime to the table when a minority is the victim. Like I said before, this is just speculation.

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Re: National Media's Refusal to Cover White Couple's Murder Suggests PC at Work [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6938254 - 05/19/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I seem to remember a story about two white guys doing something similar to a black women,not too long ago.That wasnt headline news.Thats because just like this crime it wasn't the type of crime  that the media can milk out for days. I agree that there is a bias in the media but it doesnt go as far as complete censorship.:rolleyes:

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Re: National Media's Refusal to Cover White Couple's Murder Suggests PC at Work [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6941714 - 05/20/07 06:41 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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And I provided you with a book written by an Associate Professor of Media studies at Emerson claiming that there is infact a theory of victim culture.




What is his evidence?




Her evidence of a victim culture comes from interviews with the producers of day-time talk shows during their upswing in the late 1980s and early 1990s (and backing them up with ratings data).

The producers noticed that ratings for shows increased whenever the guests were portrayed as victims, no matter who the guests were. They could even bring back the exact same guests they had from their lower-ratings years (mid-1980s) and, so long as they were portrayed as victims, the ratings would stay up. This eventually hit an extreme, where even convicted murderers would be brought on the shows and portrayed as victims of love, child abuse, whatever.

For whatever reason, Americans wanted to watch television about victims, and she refers to this as a "victim culture".

Now, I was kind enough to share with you evidence of a victim culture. Are you finally going to present competing evidence?

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I quickly read a couple of articles, looked at the headlines of the rest and made a generalization. Seriously, do I have to look at all 64 million articles on big foot to know that the concept of big foot is baloney? Sometimes you can just make a rational inference from a cursory reading.




Again with the hypocrisy.

You demand that we share our evidence with you so you can come to your own conclusions, but you fail to share what you have found and want us to accept your judgements about it unquestioningly.

If what you came across really is as silly as bigfoot, why didn't you just share it with us in the first place so we could draw the "obvious" conclusion?

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