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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
    #9162387 - 10/31/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

did you heat your solution up at all? if you are using naphtha you want to heat it...it pulls the spice right into it...do NOT use anything with a flame...a hot plate or something..but watch the temperature..you dont want it to go over 130F...the spice will evap off..no good then

and you may not want to use plastic with the solvent...unless its a heavy duty plastic...test it out first...but some naptha on it...and let it sit for awhile..and if it doesnt make it all gummy you should be ok...there is a certain type of plastic you can use...i think some people use milk jugs with plenty of success...


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Jorkest]
    #9162968 - 10/31/08 04:46 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Right on.

Well, I decided to throw the naphtha into the freezer for evap, and it worked like a charm. all kinds of white crystals.

im wondering... Most people say DMT is a yellow-ish crystal. These are pretty fuckin white. Some friends and I tried some tonight. Tiny doses, just to see what a good dosage is and that.. And so far the conclusion that we came to is what we felt was a mix between a shroom and a weed induced body high. No visuals, but our doses were prettt tiny.

Does any of this sound off at all?


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
    #9163348 - 10/31/08 08:40 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yep, that sounds right. DMT is only a yellow crystal if it was obtained by evaporating the solvent (typically in front of a fan).

Frankly, I wouldn't bother with tiny doses; there's nothing much of interest there. It sounds like you smoked maybe 5-10 mg at most. I recommend taking the plunge and just going for 40-70 mg so that you actually breakthrough and enter DMT space. That's where the enigma truly lies.


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9164646 - 10/31/08 01:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Heh. I dont even think we got that far. But my larger dose last night... hit me hard. I had visuals, and I wish I'd kept my eyes closed, for I've heard there are many more things to see with eyes closed.

But I have also heard that OEVs usually consist of gemetric patterns and stuff. Mine were just like what I imagine a shroom trip visual would be (done them a lot, never had visuals really.)

But anyway. Crazy times. The body high was the most intense pleasurable feeling I've ever had. Through my entire body, nonetheless.


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
    #9164783 - 10/31/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

wow


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9166271 - 10/31/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

So i have some crystals tat formed in the naphtha layer that sunk to the bottom of the naphtha layer but sat on top of the lye+water+plant material layer... I fished them out with a spoon, but theres still a lot of brown shit on them.

How can I clean these up?

And I've only had one pull that really yielded anything. The rest is just tiny bits of this and that.


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
    #9170112 - 11/01/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Well, found a bunch of crystals in a container tonight. I have no idea how dense the stuff is so I have no idea an approximate mass but heres a pic compared to a jelly bean



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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
    #9172134 - 11/02/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

doesn't look like you got much there^ lol.

and x2 on the yellow color of spice. Evaporation will usually give you a yellow spice, even if you clean it and recrystallize it, the yellow will remain. It doesn't mean you have impurities or poor quality stuff though. Just aesthetic IMO. The gunk you get from recrystallizing is usually a dark orange color, and the spice that dissolves in the hot solvent will maintain an even brighter yellow shade then before cleaning.

(and i've smoked spice ranging from dirty brown last pull stuff, to pure synthetic, the quality does seem to effect the trip. shitty spice=shitty trip, and likewise).


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: enesi]
    #9172793 - 11/02/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah.. well, i was pretty stoked. Thats not all I had. I had another pull worth about that much too, but that stuff was pure white. This is a good mix of yellow and white.


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
    #9178004 - 11/03/08 02:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It seems to me the quality of the spice really effects the quality of the hit (not the trip), but smoother hits generally make people happier... maybe that leads to a better experience.  All in all though, I wouldn't bother trying to refine the crystals into something more pure unless you have a bunch already, or are you are so experienced with the stuff you know that is what you want to do already no matter what.

I am going to try and refine some of the worse looking stuff I have using sodium carbonate and water to remove the impurities, then I will try and form big pure crystals and see how that goes.

Also, as far a dose is concerned, erowid lists a strong DMT does at 40-60.  I don't agree at all.  60 is pretty much what you want to get an enjoyable experience from DMT.  Less than that is certainly noticable and perhaps even strong by other standards, but I guess you need to decide what you are after.  If you are smoking DMT and want to see what it has to offer, you need at least 80mg.  I do not think I have ventured into territory over 100mg yet, but I don't think a dose that size should be feared either, just work your way up to where you are comfortable.  Low doses are just not what this drug is for.  It will sedate me a lot and make me feel heavy, but it is not really enjoyable unless I can close my eyes and see nice visuals.  I tell people the proper way to do it is to take 3 good hits (hold them in) and then relax and it will be like having a dream.  Wait a minute after letting the 3rd hit out to decide if you want more.  If you want to extend the experience, doing 1 hit more hit every 2-3 minute works pretty nicely.


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: fireduck]
    #9180224 - 11/03/08 09:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm. Im afraid of all these cazy experiences where people freak out that theyre dead.

also, I heard you only have about a minute to get all the DMT in you want, or your body just gets rid of it.. but if youre successfully tripping, I dont see how that could be.... i dunno.


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
    #9180275 - 11/03/08 10:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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optyks said:
Hmmm. Im afraid of all these cazy experiences where people freak out that theyre dead.




That's just people's minds confusing ego death with bodily death. When you get a breakthrough dose, your mind travels beyond, and leaves your body behind. Just trust that your body remembers how to breath even when your mind is somewhere else, and it'll be there waiting for you in a few minutes when you get back.

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also, I heard you only have about a minute to get all the DMT in you want, or your body just gets rid of it.. but if youre successfully tripping, I dont see how that could be.... i dunno.




Tolerance builds up rapidly, within a minute. It's not that your body instantly flushes it out in a minute, it just means that after a minute, you won't get any higher/deeper no matter how much more you smoke. Just wait a half hour to an hour and then try again.


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9180361 - 11/03/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Right on. A couple questions..

Is there a possibility of crystals forming of ANY other substance? I'm worried that some of the crystals I've been scraping out of one of my dishes isnt right, because all other working extractions show none of the same kind of form... or any at all.

Also, it seems like my first trip ahs been the best. And since tolerance supposedly goes away rapidly, I havent been able to reach the same depth or peak in body high.
Is it from the first time use of the drug?

The first pull, from which that trip came about, seemed ultra pure. now the crystals are dirtier, so maybe I'm just not getting the same concentration?


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
    #9180477 - 11/03/08 10:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The only crystals that would be forming from freeze-precipitation are DMT. Sometimes they can turn yellow when they dry, due to some of the spice oxidizing to DMT N-oxide (which is still good to smoke).

By "same kind of form", do you mean crystal structure, or color?

Tolerance from your first session should be long gone by now. If there's a substantial difference, it's probably the learning curve of figuring out how to vaporize it properly, without burning it. If you're smoking a good amount, the body high should be the last thing on your mind, you only notice it for maybe 20 seconds before your gonzo.


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
    #9180597 - 11/03/08 11:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Tolerance definitely builds up quickly, but you can absolutely extend the duration of the trip by doing more.  You can make the experience stronger also, but for me the best way to describe the way I like it is to try and smoke all you want to in the first 3 hits, then when you are past the peak, if you decide you want to, take another hit and you will go back up to a new peak.  Then do that 1 - 3 more times.  Don't try and get higher than your first peak, although I believe you probably could if you wanted to and did enough.  You can get higher after minute for sure though. 

I don't know what other crystals might form - there are other crystals in there all right, lye is a crystal if you really messed up, but there is really no way it could possibly crystallize from the extraction unless you did something really special.  The first pull is probably going to be your cleanest, but my guess is if the DMT forms a dry crystal and nothing else, it is at least 95% pure anyway.  It would be hard to tell the difference by the strength of it in that case, although impurities can make the hits more harsh.

For your first trip being the best, I know my brain has changed to be much more resistant to psychadellics now (after years of LSD and mushroom use, only now finding DMT); it's not to say you won't have any better experience than your first, but I'm not surprised your first was your favorite for now until you have a better one.


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: fireduck]
    #9180675 - 11/03/08 11:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm.. Well im kinda worried now. The glass i've been scraping crystals off is a glass measuring cup, with the lye/naphtha solution sitting in it with plastic wrap covering most of the top. There are white-ish crystals on the side of the glass, anywhere where the solution has touched.

No other glasses with the solutions have any in them... And I havent been able to get any more spice from those...

Not in the refrigerator or the freezer


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
    #9180749 - 11/03/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

When you say lye/naphtha solution, you don't mean that the measuring cup has black and clear liquid in it right?  You mean only the clear liquid.

If my assumption is correct, then there should be practically zero lye in that solution.  As the naphtha evaporates, white-ish crystals will form, and that is DMT.  The naphtha solution will contain only trace amounts of other molecules (oils, fats, minerals, yes maybe lye), and you don't need to be concerned with that fact because they exist in such minute quantities.

From your description, if you are not smoking DMT crystals, then you are scraping to hard and trying to smoke the glass. :smile:

The other cups are probably holding pure naphtha with no DMT in them and so no crystals form on the edges.


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: fireduck]
    #9180947 - 11/04/08 01:22 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ah yeah thats what Im guessing... and yeah the lye solution is still in there with the naphtha layer on top.... I tried separating the layers, but nothing would come out too often when I evap'ed the naphtha


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
    #9181030 - 11/04/08 02:14 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Separating the naphtha from the lye solution and evaporating should leave DMT behind.  If it doesn't, then there would have been no DMT in the naphtha even if you didn't separate it from the lye solution.  Hopefully that is obvious to you.

I reread your posts and I see now how you are getting your uglier crystals... fished out from in between the two solutions.  And scrapped off the wall of the same mixing container, where the lye solution will have a tendency to stick to the walls.  I imagine the stuff you are getting is heavily contaminated because of that.  I'm sure you won't get a lethal dose of lye from smoking what you have, but I won't say more than that.  You should try and improve your methods to get cleaner DMT - your method is far from ideal.

There are ways to clean your crystals, but I am still experimenting with those methods, so I can only give the basics (I am gonna skip that for now).  You should re-evaluate you method of the original extraction.  If you are having problems finding DMT when you evaporate your naphtha, maybe you are not mixing the naphtha into the lye solution for long enough.  Try stirring the naphtha into the dark solution until you can't see it anymore for at least a minute after you stop mixing it.  Let it separate completely.  Then repeat that at least 4 more times.  You got a good batch from freeze precipitating the first time so you are on the right track, you really don't want to be getting DMT straight from the containers with the lye solution in it.

For the dirty stuff you already have, you can heat up some naphtha and re-dissolve the DMT into that.  I am trying out Entropymancer's advice from another thread right now to try step 7 on page 12 of this document to clean that naphtha.  Hopefully it will go well.  I could not get my naphtha as white as it comes when it is new, but a noticeable amount of dark contaminants were removed from the solution the first time I drained the sodium carbonate and water from my naphtha.  When I remixed with water, not much seemed to change by visual inspection.  Also, the DMT which I can now see in the solution is still sort of yellow.  It appears darker than the clean crystals I can get from my first two pulls.

At the risk of making this post too long, Entropymancer, how white can you get the naphtha and resulting crystals?  The guide you pointed me too boasted naphtha as clear as glass, and I've seen pics of white crystals, but so far nothing I've seen gets that white.


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: fireduck]
    #9181049 - 11/04/08 02:27 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm.. Ok, so i'm **relatively** safe smoking what i've harvested? Thats good.. cuz I have been, and I just took a larger dose of it... Foolish? Perhaps. But it got to about the same point as the first time I had a  trip, just no real visuals... wavy stuff and a body high, thats about it.

I havent heard many people mention the body high online..... Why is that? Seems pretty prominent to me... Did i somehow make meth or something? lol.


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