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wille

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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Incognitus]
#8360818 - 05/04/08 10:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stop pretending, we all know its you talking.
Atleast be creative and say "my dinosaurs cats diaper" or something. 
But congrats on ur success!
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coAsTal
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: wille]
#8406620 - 05/15/08 07:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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The "SWIM" thing is part of the cloak-and-dagger lingo in some drug discussion circles... never made much sense to me, but hey, as long as "SWIM" is contributing, I tip my hat and smile all the same...
Ah, sweet DMT-- after a couple-month break, I've had some great experiences with her lately...
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ShroomDoom
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Incognitus]
#8436841 - 05/23/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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so it take it this tek's legit?
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Entropymancer


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8437276 - 05/23/08 03:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, it's a simple straightforward straight-to-base extraction. It could use a purification step in there somewhere though... best thing would be a polar wash of the DMT-containing naphtha with a dilute solution of sodium carbonate.
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Incognitus
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8455897 - 05/28/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
ShroomDoom said: so it take it this tek's legit?
This tek is 100% legit. I've added something to it, however. Before the Naphta is added, the pyrex bowl is placed inside of another bowl with warm to hot water in it. The warm water bath seems to pull *alot* more spice. It oddly seems to be purer spice as well.
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RobMarley420
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Incognitus]
#8679956 - 07/25/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay, so I'm trying this tek with a QP of root bark to see how well it works and I've got a couple questions...
1. How long does it usually take for the naptha to completely evaporate??? I left mine out overnight with a fan blowing on it and there are still little gooey droplets left. Will these eventually completely dry up?
2. If I don't CFC and I just evaporate the naptha, will I be left with crystals or will I just end up with a bunch of goo?
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Entropymancer


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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: RobMarley420]
#8680387 - 07/25/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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1.) Depends on your brand. Not all naphtha is equivalent. As long as the gooey bits are naphtha, they should dry. If it's water, it'll take longer.
2.) From MHRB, even evapping ought to give you crystals. If you got some droplets of your aqueous basic phase in there, that might cause it to be gooey. Also, if it's warm while it's evaporating, then a fan can sometimes lead to more goo.
I'd recommend not letting it evaporate all the way in the future; let it reduce to a fairly small volume (or until you start seeing crystals begin to grow), then put it in the fridge/freezer to precipitate.
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RobMarley420
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#8690989 - 07/28/08 12:16 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I found that those gooey naphtha droplets dry up ALOT faster when they are spread thin over the surface of the pyrex with a razor blade.
I ended up with about 1 gram of yellow DMT from 4 pulls on a 1/4 lb of bark.
I've smoked it 3 times so far and each time I got hit with a wave of nausea, but never vomited. Was that nausea from the impurities in the DMT or is that just part of the DMT trip? The very first time I smoked DMT I didn't experience any nausea at all, that DMT was from a friend and tasted ALOT cleaner.
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twighead
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: RobMarley420]
#9015018 - 10/01/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you think this tek would work fine with Phalaris Tuberosa? I don't see why not, but just seeing if there is a reason out there. thanks
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Entropymancer

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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: twighead]
#9015462 - 10/01/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wouldn't recommend it. Phalaris is too rich in plant fats. I suppose that might not matter with freeze-precipitation. I'm not familiar with attempts to freeze-precipitate DMT from naphtha saturated with plant fats, so I can't say for sure.
Bottom line though: there's no reason not to just do a simple A/B extraction so you can defat properly.
Phalaris grass can be a risky starting material since it can contain gramine, a toxic alkaloid that extracts along with DMT.
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twighead
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#9016633 - 10/02/08 12:36 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said: I wouldn't recommend it. Phalaris is too rich in plant fats. I suppose that might not matter with freeze-precipitation. I'm not familiar with attempts to freeze-precipitate DMT from naphtha saturated with plant fats, so I can't say for sure.
Bottom line though: there's no reason not to just do a simple A/B extraction so you can defat properly.
Phalaris grass can be a risky starting material since it can contain gramine, a toxic alkaloid that extracts along with DMT.
Hmm, never considered the defat process thats a good point, all the sources I've seen have only listed gramine as toxic to sheep and other grazers but I suppose this is assuming oral injestion, with no say on what inhaling it may do..
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JacquesCousteau
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: myndreach]
#9120305 - 10/23/08 09:16 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tag for future.
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fireduck
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#9151116 - 10/28/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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For anyone looking at this in the future, who is about to try their first DMT extraction, I can say the best developments since this tek has been posted is to use more lye than is recommended in the lazy man tek. A good ratio for the base solution is 15ml water (I recommend distilled water) + 1g lye poured into 1 gram of bark powder (yes, powder is better). Expecting 5g of DMT per 1lb of MHRB is more than reasonable. Yes - this shows that the root bark has more DMT in it by weight than any site reports - my own tests and other reports in this thread show it as over 1%.
If you are careful and keep a clean set up, there does not seem to be a need at all to use any sort of cleaning to the DMT produced from the naphtha you remove from your base solution. Evaporate most of the naphtha and freeze the rest and filter it as many people suggest, cycle in and out of freezer if you are so inclined.
The last tip I have is with container sizing. 1 quart is a good size for 50 grams of rootbark. Because you may buy the bark in pounds, you can use 50g of lye and 750 ml of water, but 57g of rootbark per quart container in order to evenly divide your powder up. THIS WILL FILL YOUR CONTAINER NEARLY ALL THE WAY WHEN NAPHTHA IS ADDED - so in otherwords, if you are doing you mixing by capping the container and flipping it, you are good, but you will need a bigger container if you intend to stir it.
Edited by fireduck (10/28/08 09:57 PM)
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: darklcd]
#9159637 - 10/30/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I started this tek today! Though I only had 56 g of MHRB, so I used 50 of it and divided everything else by 10. Right now the MHRB powder is chillin in the lye solution, its all brown and mucky lookin.
heres a pic.

Question though. I thought my digital postal scale was pretty accurate, but now i'm kind of questioning it... what would be the worst case scenario if I got too much/too little lye and/or too much bark/not enough bark?
ANywya, Ill let you know how it goes!
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fireduck
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#9159792 - 10/30/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly I don't think you will have a problem at all if your bark/lye ratio is a little off. The biggest problem I could see is if you used too much lye and not enough water. Here is a question for you though, why did you save 6g of bark? There is no reason to do that, just toss it in the bowl.
How much lye and water did you use? If you used the lazy man ratios, you should have used more lye than he tells you, otherwise it is harder to get the DMT out.
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Entropymancer

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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#9159816 - 10/30/08 03:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Worst case scenario if you have too little lye: You might need to add a little more lye if your yield is low.
Worst case scenario if you have too much bark: You might need to add more water if the mix is so thick that it's trapping the naphtha (if the layers don't seperate properly)
Worst case scenario if you have too much lye/too little bark: None. It'll work perfectly fine with extra lye, or with less bark than intended.
I would caution you not to use metal utensils to stir the mix though. NaOH corrodes metals, and can react violently with some (like aluminum).
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#9159947 - 10/30/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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k. My silverware is made out of stainless I think, but I wash it off pretty often/quickly. Thanks for all the advice guys.
So ic an just throw in the rest of the bark with what I already have? And I just added the Naphtha, so.. Should it Still work?
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Entropymancer

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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#9159979 - 10/30/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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It wouldn't hurt to add a little more lye/water with the rest of the bark, but throwing it in won't be a problem. Not much is apt to extract from it on this pull (the lye needs a bit of time to pulp the bark and expose the DMT molecules to solvent), but it shouldn't hurt anythign either.
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#9161430 - 10/30/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright cool. Also..
How the fuck am I supposed to measure out 5-15 mG?????
Edit..
One more thing. How does plastic fare against lye? Would a plastic container or plastic stirring utensils work ok, without them dissolving into it?
Edited by optyks (10/30/08 09:34 PM)
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#9161506 - 10/30/08 09:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright, Im running into some problems. I had the powdered bark/lye solution sit while I was at work for 4 or 5 hours, with some naphtha on top. I hot home, stirred it up a little, then took a couple spoonfulls of naphtha from it and put it in a glass dish.
After it all evaporated, there wasnt anything in the dish........
What did I do wrong? I didnt take out ALL the naptha, because I wanted to see if anything was coming out in the first place.
And the best way to shake up the solution without having a glass jar to put it in?
plastic tupperware work ok?
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