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F1234K
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: darklcd]
#6959399 - 05/23/07 10:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok. Done 1 pull but it did not go to well...I think I left the naptha settle for too long after mashing...whats a good time to wait....
Anyways got a little bit, but not as much as expected...and there is this film on the bottom of the pyrex....after i picked the crystals. What is this, its transparent.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: F1234K]
#6959480 - 05/23/07 11:09 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't know what the film is, maybe some lye or maybe just some naptha that hasn't evapped yet. How long did you leave the naptha in for, I doubt you can really leave it in too long. The lye mix will destroy the DMT after a few days but even if you were to leave the naptha in all that time, whatever DMT made it there will stay. My run that I just got done with I ended up doing three 12 hour pulls and 2 twenty-four hour pulls. Might be able to weigh it out tomorrow, got about 5 times or more than when I did the Marsfold tek but I did all the pulls in one day. If you have the time to do a 3 day extraction I would go for it, turned out way better than I could have expected.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Artnotwar]
#6959861 - 05/24/07 01:09 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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intense_cutn said: dam i wish could get hold of rootbark in australia. i'd be extracting the shit for sure.
Why would you want root bark when you live in a country full of active acacias?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Hanky]
#6960210 - 05/24/07 06:05 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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intense_cutn said: dam i wish could get hold of rootbark in australia. i'd be extracting the shit for sure.
Why would you want root bark when you live in a country full of active acacias?
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Mr E Guest said: You don't need MSHB in Australia! Various species of wattle tree contain dimethyltryptamine in appreciable quantities. Try putting "Acacia DMT Australia" into a search engine and see what comes up. And apparently, the roots of the common reed, Phragmites australis, also contain this substance (but just try digging them up...)
yeah i know but in victoria i think Acacia maidenii is pretty rare. i'm not sure which one grows here and the question has been asked on here before with no answers. i've pretty much given up.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: F1234K]
#6961382 - 05/24/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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F1234K said: Ok. Done 1 pull but it did not go to well...I think I left the naptha settle for too long after mashing...whats a good time to wait....
Anyways got a little bit, but not as much as expected...and there is this film on the bottom of the pyrex....after i picked the crystals. What is this, its transparent.
I don't think anyone has successfully answered this question yet. What is known to me however, is that the waxy film stuff is DMT that for some reason has not crystallized.
Maybe you've noticed that crystals left in warm conditions (even in a baggy with the warmth of your hand) will melt into some kind of strange goo that can be resolidified in your freezer with no effect on potency.
So, leave your filmy stuff in the freezer for a while, and maybe it will form crystals. If not, I just took a knife and scratched around on the surface of the film, which seemed to solidify it into a scrape-able powder. I have no idea why...
Before anything though, get your nose up to it and make sure it's not naptha (I doubt it is, as naptha is very volatile. DMT has a very strong, chemical smell, but you should still be able to differentiate).
Oh yeah, and freeze precipitate next time. It's a lot easier than you think.
Just wait for the naptha to evaporate to the point that it appears cloudy (an idea I picked up from SDP on another long extraction thread. It is completely obvious when it gets cloudy...) and put it in a jar (half pint wide mouth is easiest to scrape) in the freezer for a couple of hours. I put my jar in a tupperware thing full of ice, then in the freezer so I wouldn't have to turn the temp. down.
All the crystals stick to the bottom and sides. Pour out the cold naptha (some say save it, and try again) and let the remainder evaporate. Sometimes a couple drops of water get in there too, best to let them evaporate. Then scrape out the dry crystals with a credit card or something.
Some say to perform a final ammonia wash. I've never done this, so I imagine I am getting a lot of impurites in the final product.
Fucking cigarettes usually contain both naptha and sodium hydroxide...
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, etc. [Re: myndreach]
#6961530 - 05/24/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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where should i look for mimosa hostilis root bark?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#6961556 - 05/24/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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You gents need to re-crystallize using the CFC (cool-freeze-cycle) a few times-- the process will absorb both the impurities and the spice back into the solvent, and doing the CFC, IN ORDER will give you purer spice that will stay crystallized at room temp--
This means COOL your freshly pulled&saturated solvent (after you have air evap'd it down somewhat to further concentrate the spice content, *spicewill NOT evaporate into the air, btw*)--in your fridge for a few+ hours, THEN freeze in your freezer (on it's COLDEST setting--important!), then repeat a couple of times.
This process will help separate the impurities that are causing your spice to revert to goo when at room temp. The spice will form hard crystal, and the goo will stay in the solvent. CFC'ing will remove these "goo's" from the spice where evapping alone won't-- the point of straining the frozen solvent through a coffee filter to collect your spice is ONLY to remove the suspended impurities before they can re-bind to your spice as they all warm.
PURE SPICE WILL NOT MELT AT ROOM TEMP. Only spice that is bound to plant fats and other chemicals will.
Once you get room-temp stable spice, you can then wash it with high-purity ammonia if you wish to remove some additional impurities... but using the proper CFC technique in the first place will net you whitish/cream colored spice with almost no taste whatsoever that's very pure, with perfect, clean spice aroma (the synthetic/plastic'y smell that is totally unique to DMT.)
You shouldn't smell ANY naptha or other funk whatsoever-- give your pulled spice a day in slow air to evap any remaining solvent off completely before using. (this is another reason to use a solvent that evap's off COMPLETELY, like high-quality VM&P Naptha, or absolutely best--Bestine Rubber Cement remover, which is pure Heptane-- the best you can get). If your solvent leaves ANY residue as it evapps, remember that that residue will be in your spice until you wash it in ammonia)
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: coAsTal]
#6961737 - 05/24/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: You gents need to re-crystallize using the CFC (cool-freeze-cycle) a few times-- the process will absorb both the impurities and the spice back into the solvent, and doing the CFC, IN ORDER will give you purer spice that will stay crystallized at room temp--
This means COOL your freshly pulled&saturated solvent (after you have air evap'd it down somewhat to further concentrate the spice content, *spicewill NOT evaporate into the air, btw*)--in your fridge for a few+ hours, THEN freeze in your freezer (on it's COLDEST setting--important!), then repeat a couple of times.
This process will help separate the impurities that are causing your spice to revert to goo when at room temp. The spice will form hard crystal, and the goo will stay in the solvent. CFC'ing will remove these "goo's" from the spice where evapping alone won't-- the point of straining the frozen solvent through a coffee filter to collect your spice is ONLY to remove the suspended impurities before they can re-bind to your spice as they all warm.
PURE SPICE WILL NOT MELT AT ROOM TEMP. Only spice that is bound to plant fats and other chemicals will.
Once you get room-temp stable spice, you can then wash it with high-purity ammonia if you wish to remove some additional impurities... but using the proper CFC technique in the first place will net you whitish/cream colored spice with almost no taste whatsoever that's very pure, with perfect, clean spice aroma (the synthetic/plastic'y smell that is totally unique to DMT.)
You shouldn't smell ANY naptha or other funk whatsoever-- give your pulled spice a day in slow air to evap any remaining solvent off completely before using. (this is another reason to use a solvent that evap's off COMPLETELY, like high-quality VM&P Naptha, or absolutely best--Bestine Rubber Cement remover, which is pure Heptane-- the best you can get). If your solvent leaves ANY residue as it evapps, remember that that residue will be in your spice until you wash it in ammonia)
ah...
Thank you, this is the answer I was looking for. I have noticed that my freeze precipitated stuff does stay solid at room temperature, whereas the scraped up evaporated stuff reverts to goo easily.
It makes sense now, the spice redissolves into the oils and stuff, leaving a colored goop. Or am I wrong in that assumption?
Goop or crystal, doesn't seem to affect the results though.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#6962136 - 05/24/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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the spice redissolves into the oils and stuff, leaving a colored goop.
No, you got it-- this is the reason I choose CFC over plain evap-- yes, you "can" get clean spice w/ just evap, but you *guarantee* good results if you CFC properly...
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: coAsTal]
#6962552 - 05/24/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Couple more questions..
what is best way to get naptha off the top to put into evap...we tryed a turkey baster and that worked but not to well as it would not hold in the liquid so we had to tilt it and also it sucks up mimosa juice if you try to get lots in. Is there any faster way to do the naptha into pan to evap?
From what we got off our first pull I just tryed a little to make sure it was dmt we were actually creating this fast. I put some ash then about half a normal dose of dmt and then put a small nug on top. I then held lighet above weed and dmt and sucked in that horrid throat burning fun. Had some good acid style visuals for about 5 minutes....so no break through but that was oviously cos of the conditions.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: F1234K]
#6963818 - 05/24/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: F1234K]
#6965317 - 05/25/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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looks good-- For collection, first I would pour the solvent out of your lye container into a large measuring cup-- this way, though you'll get a little lye solution in the cup, and you'll dribble a little, it will get the solvent into a container you can pour smoothly from-- you can use the pour spout on the measuring cup to pour the solvent carefully into your jar (or whatever else you'll use for CFC) so as not to introduce any lye--you can get almost all of it off the top of the MHRB with a steady hand and patience.
Not the fancy-schmancy turky-baster tek... but works like a champ.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: coAsTal]
#6966354 - 05/25/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I invented a new tek yesterday, Its called the blow and baste. After mashing naptha in and waiting about 1 and 1/2 hours i went to check on it and noticed that if i blew on the liquid the white merky dmt came up to the surface, so when i removed the naptha for evap i blew then basted and got a big pull.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: F1234K]
#6966827 - 05/25/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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The faster evaporation brought upon by the air moving over the surface of the solvent rapidly cooled the solvent on the top-- this caused the spice in that area to start to cloud in the colder solvent--just as it does on it's own without evaporation in the freezer.
Sorry to burst your bubble... but there is no more spice in the cloudy solvent than the rest in your case-- you're just making the super-cooled, air-blown areas appear in front of you. There's still spice in the clearer solvent, it's just not cool enough to begin to precip out yet.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: coAsTal]
#6976723 - 05/28/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Got my powdered MRHB last Thurs. MIxed 500g with 1L water then added 500mL water containing 200g dissolved lye. Made blue/black tarry sludge. Couldn't find any naphtha so added 400 mL barbecue lighting fluid (hydrotreated petroleum distillate). In retrospect this may be stupid as having a higher BP is not terribly convenient.
Whatever, it also was very reluctant to come out of emulsion. Tried adding silicone anti-foaming agent but this may also have been the wrong thing to do. Will look for lower BP hydrocarbon, but not sure what to get in UK. Would diethyl ether be any use or does it pull too many fatty oils?
Small hydrocarbon layer has attained slight yellow colouration, left it for 3 days to see if more floats up. More updates to follow.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Mr E Guest]
#6981724 - 05/29/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a feeling that your unknown-content lighter fluid might have been a fatal mistake...
Silicone anti-foaming agent? Bad.
I fear you might have to start over with a new venture bro-- this one sounds pretty bad... but I wish you luck on getting something safe out of this.
dmt-nexus.com will have a list of proper solvents to use where you are from-- start there, and choose carefully.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: coAsTal] 1
#7042030 - 06/13/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Got a gram and a half from first two pulls! BBQ lighting fluid works, just takes longer to evaporate off - had to put it somewhere warm, and I pressed out the solvent residue between two bits of cartridge paper. Third pull has also laid down loads of crystal in the freezer, and I got a 4th pull in the airing cupboard waiting to separate.
Switched to Coleman camping stove fuel after first pull, it sometimes takes ages to separate out of emulsion - I almost prefer BBQ fluid but for the volatility.
My crystal was so pure, there was barely any detectable mothball odour, more a sweetish smell. Yummy! And it works, btw!
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Mr E Guest]
#7053589 - 06/16/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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intense_cutn, Victoria is ABUNDANT, in Acacia Obtusifolia. Do not take bark from the trees, it will kill them! Only take fallen branches or leaves.
Well. I have a friend who's pretty stoked. He's done three extractions so far, and his most recent, where he gave the straight base tek a go, is the only succesful one!
He did an a/b on 300g A.Maidenii (obviously failed), then a/b on 300g of A.Obtus (once again failed), then the straight base tek on 200g of A.Obtus (so far succesful). He was told straight base would not work as Acacia bark is too fatty, but wanted to experiment anyway. He's had the solvent in the freezer for about 10-12 hours now, and what do you know, there's little WHITE crystals starting to form around the jar.
Also, he was wondering, when freezing, do the crystals also form a layer on the bottom of the jar, cause there's just a thin layer of white powder at the bottom, is this DMT?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: retrospect]
#7057136 - 06/17/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yep-- that's your spice you can get yourself bigger crystals by evaporating the solvent out mostly, then cooling the remaining solvent slowly, first in the frigde for a few hours/day, and then into the freezer.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: myndreach]
#7060576 - 06/18/07 08:47 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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So, uh, this dude I know tried something very much like this over the weekend. First pull, nothing. Second pull, nothing. Third pull, .7G of waxy crystal that is very much active. Fourth pull, .7G of tar/crystal mix that has not been tried. Fifth pull, he is leaving the solvent in for two days. We shall see what happens.
He is not disappointed. The fact that this works at all lifts his spirits. Thank you for posting this.
No camera, so no pics.
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