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hoodbran
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#10109568 - 04/05/09 09:51 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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As far as I know, you don't want to heat the whole mix of water and naphtha for an extended period of time.
Hmm.. I'll have to just try to heat up my naptha and not the whole thing, but the results you see above are from doing exactly that, heating the whole thing to about 30c
Tx, hopefully optyks will figure out his issue.
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Nature Boy
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#10110553 - 04/05/09 01:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said:
There's no such thing as too high of a water:bark ratio. Using extra water isn't going to hurt anything.
Entropymancer: This is the one premise upon which I vehemently disagree with you. The amount of water is most certainly critical - and here is my rationale:
The amount of spice contained in the MHRB is, of course, limited. The amount released into a small volume of basified solution will reach concentrations of, lets say 1% if you carefully match water volume to root bark mass.
If you had TWICE the optimal volume, the concentration of DMT would be HALF as great in the water, and by extension, in the naptha....and clearly harder to extract by freeze precipitation. The concentration of spice in naptha can NEVER exceed that of the water!
So...the best approach would be to keep the water to a minimum (or optimum), which, IMHO is about 6cc's per gram of bark, NOT 15 cc's as is often quoted in the STB teks.
As the spice leaves the water, (with each successive naptha extraction) it again is free to leave the bark, reach its equilibrium concentration, and then migrate passively by diffusion once again into the naptha, even f the initial water volume was insufficient to allow for maximal migration of spice into water.
Comments and discussion on this hypothesis would be most welcomed.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Nature Boy]
#10117611 - 04/06/09 03:40 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just ordered a couple hundred grams of MHRB... SWIM will be attempting this tek as soon as it arrives
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hoodbran
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Zippy]
#10117727 - 04/06/09 04:03 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mr E Guest
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Nature Boy]
#10117979 - 04/06/09 04:47 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said:
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Entropymancer said:
There's no such thing as too high of a water:bark ratio. Using extra water isn't going to hurt anything.
Entropymancer: This is the one premise upon which I vehemently disagree with you. The amount of water is most certainly critical - and here is my rationale:
The amount of spice contained in the MHRB is, of course, limited. The amount released into a small volume of basified solution will reach concentrations of, lets say 1% if you carefully match water volume to root bark mass.
If you had TWICE the optimal volume, the concentration of DMT would be HALF as great in the water, and by extension, in the naptha....and clearly harder to extract by freeze precipitation. The concentration of spice in naptha can NEVER exceed that of the water!
So...the best approach would be to keep the water to a minimum (or optimum), which, IMHO is about 6cc's per gram of bark, NOT 15 cc's as is often quoted in the STB teks.
As the spice leaves the water, (with each successive naptha extraction) it again is free to leave the bark, reach its equilibrium concentration, and then migrate passively by diffusion once again into the naptha, even f the initial water volume was insufficient to allow for maximal migration of spice into water.
Comments and discussion on this hypothesis would be most welcomed.
N.B.
Equilibria work on the basis of concentration rather than absolute quantity. The comparative affinities of bark, water and naphtha for the spice will determine how much spice migrates into the aqueous phase and thence the naphtha; surely the spice will be diffusing out of the bark into the water to maintain equilibrium as it diffuses into the naphtha? Then the naphtha, if sufficiently warm, will quite readily attain a higher spice concentration than the water, its affinity for spice being greater than that of water. As well, there will be a certain amount of contact between the bark and the naphtha, leading to a more direct extraction, perhaps?
Granted, the solubility of spice in cold naphtha is fairly low. But when one looks at the extraction process as a whole rather than stepwise snapshots, I would suggest that while it may indeed suit you to use a lesser quantity of water, this may not be for the reasons you hypothesize. It's a matter of time and temperature.
More water would give more space for the spice to diffuse out of the bark, but requires a slightly greater extraction time. Less water results in a higher viscosity mix and greater chance of (annoying!) emulsions being formed. A temperature above the melting point of spice will aid its mobility between phases. I'd do some calculations at this point to explore this a bit more but unfortunately I really can't be bothered. Sorry!
Apologies also for slightly unclear thinking on this, it's bedtime where I am. Goodnight!
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hoodbran
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Mr E Guest]
#10152411 - 04/12/09 02:21 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: hoodbran]
#10154086 - 04/12/09 07:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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After consideration on my current running processes...
Is it positive that too much lie isn't detrimental?
I've been overly generous with water basification, and I'm curious as to whether it might affect the salts/alkaloids, and therefore not precipitate correctly...
? any thoughts?
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hoodbran
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#10154297 - 04/12/09 08:12 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not sure with being overly generous, folks say it won't do any harm, though I've only followed the directions.. so for 50g powdered mhrb i use 50g lye, 100g rb would be 100g lye.. gram for gram.. I think it's normal to up the lye content after a good couple pulls if you save the basified water for some days...
Are you still having issues extracting spice? maybe change the source...
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: hoodbran]
#10154568 - 04/12/09 09:09 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah... I'm doing it all off one purchase i made of... 250 some grams? I'm not entirely sure anymore.. The amount i'm using shouldnt be an issue, as i've had one good extract with this batch so far... but the others have failed so far. I still have a bunch left.
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buddha_eye
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: myndreach]
#10505959 - 06/14/09 05:51 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Truly amazing, works great. Thanks!
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Engelsblut6
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: PhantomPower]
#10506343 - 06/14/09 07:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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This process is much simpler than all of the other DMT extraction teks for Mimosa hostilis root bark. All you need to do is throw pieces of root bark into water which has had a measured amount of NaOH/sodium hydroxide dissolved into it, wait an hour, add naphtha, stir for a few minutes and then pour the naphtha off into a collection container for evaporation. In essence that is all there is to this tek. No need to fuss with acidifying the root bark for a defat, no pH papers needed, no separatory funnel, nothing fancy yet this is a very effective technique with higher yields than any other method out there yet.
sounds really simple, kinda like Agent Lemon Tek, and the defat sounds just the same as HBWR, cool this shouldnt be hard at all. thanks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Engelsblut6]
#11986880 - 02/08/10 10:07 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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this all sounds too wonderful! gotta get on it asap--good luck all you alcehmists out there
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Mr E Guest]
#12217655 - 03/17/10 09:41 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just wanted to say I agree totaly wit huseing too much water than too little, it realy reduces the occurence of emultions and helps seperate the layers faster too....
I'm glad to see shroomery has so many smokeable tryptamine fans.
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hoodbran
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: birdisaword]
#12242332 - 03/21/10 01:44 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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birdisaword said: I'm glad to see shroomery has so many smokeable tryptamine fans.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, etc. [Re: myndreach]
#12639372 - 05/27/10 03:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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deff will give this ago
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begreen0
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, etc. *DELETED* [Re: bearstalker]
#12641599 - 05/27/10 08:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, etc. [Re: begreen0]
#12641912 - 05/27/10 09:38 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lye shouldn't make it into the naptha layer (even though it does), and naptha is volatile, so it evaporates quickly.
There are food safe teks out there that really are much better than this one.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, etc. *DELETED* [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#12642559 - 05/27/10 10:57 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, etc. [Re: begreen0]
#12644182 - 05/28/10 09:12 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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There should be a shitload on that forum. Check 'advanced extraction' or whatever it's called.
Here's an easy one, 69ron style:
100g powder mimosa + 25g pickling lime + <300ml water
Mixed together for 5 minutes.
+ 300ml d-limonene
stirred at let sit for hours or days, remove the d-limonene + 25ml vinegar (added to the d-limonene)
shaken and stirred, vinegar removed and evaporated.
All the limonene and vinegar steps are repeated ad infinitum to net more material.
What's left is jim-jam acetate, and if you are a crystal lover, you will not be pleased with this red/black goop.
It can be mixed in easily with plant material for changa, or made into a tincture for oral dosage.
Or q21q21 style, it can be dropped onto glass and heated with a lighter to evaporate the water and acetic acid, leaving a dose of jim-jam freebase to vaporize.
q21q21 has an EXCELLENT tek which he recently posted on this site. Check that one out.
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