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birdisaword
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Dr.Myco87]
#10039129 - 03/25/09 02:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do smaller batches for greater efficiency...

Edited by birdisaword (03/25/09 02:17 PM)
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: darklcd]
#10047145 - 03/26/09 04:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just wanted to say, i have followed the tek on 1.5 kilos of rootbark, and the yields were AMAZING!
I have been hitting hyperspace all day!
Mad love!
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Bonzaisushi]
#10069204 - 03/29/09 07:19 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright, I'm having some... issues, with my latest extraction. I did everything very unorthodox, but I figured that thats the beauty of this tek, as it doesn't have to be all that accurate.
I have your average sized bowl, and i put about a handful worth of MHRB in it. I then made a solution of about 2 cups water and maybe 5 spoons worth of lye. I mixed it well, (i did it slowly, and, despite this, i figured there would be quite the exothermic reaction occurring... Not so. there was barely any heat at all. Potential problem??) and then poured it onto the bark.
I think i have too much ratio of lye water to bark, as its very liquidy and not as thick as my previous attempts.
anyway, i stirred this solution for a good 5 minutes or so (the bark is shredded, so its already got about as much surface area to it as you can get) and then set it aside for a night. Today, I poured a couple tablespoons worth of naphtha on top, and mixed for about another 10-15 minutes. I siphoned off a few dropper fulls to see where I'm at, and i have no alkaloid coming out. I tried both a freeze precip and evap, and nothing...
What do you think is wrong here? other than roughly measuring things in my other attempts, and perhaps the ratio of lyewater to bark, everything is roughly the same.
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#10073751 - 03/30/09 12:50 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyone? Perhaps I should up the lye?
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tektonic
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#10073775 - 03/30/09 12:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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did the bark turn black from the lye? it should look like black sludge if there is enough lye and naptha has a hard time pulling anything if it's cold
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: tektonic]
#10073842 - 03/30/09 01:11 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I realise that. Yeah, the whole solution is a black mess, but unlike my past extracts, its not sludgy, is more of a soup like consistency.
And I heated up the naphtha a bit, as well, after I added it, sat it on a radiator for a bit. nothin. Well, i have a couple bumps about as big as table salt grains. definitely nothing that would give any sort of trip.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: tektonic]
#10087145 - 04/01/09 01:12 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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tektonic said: did the bark turn black from the lye? it should look like black sludge if there is enough lye and naptha has a hard time pulling anything if it's cold
This is my second time at a DMT extraction, here's the result of my first using this tek: (note the coin is the weight +1g)

The spice weighed in at a nice 1.0g from 50 finely powdered MHRB.
Thanks to Entropymancer for your knowledge on this!
In the quote above, using a warm solution for pulling, I heated up my basified water / mimosa mix in a warm bath for ~15 minutes and then added the naptha (in my case zippo fluid) - which according to plenty of research is naptha.. hey it worked last time! see results above:)
I plan on doing the same tonight, do you think warming up the entire mix this way is the same as warming up the naptha?
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: hoodbran]
#10087563 - 04/01/09 02:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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k... So no one can help me?
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hoodbran
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#10087703 - 04/01/09 03:06 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wish I could dude, I'm rather a Noob at this..
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#10087743 - 04/01/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dunno man their should have been some heat initially....if it is 100% sodium hydroxide then 5 tablespoons is plenty for 2 cups of water. If I were you I would weigh the root bark before adding it so that you know what the expected yield is.
Also I have done a weak extraction be4 and got very little product. And that was using the same vendor as a previous time.
I cant imagine how hard it is to get the naptha off the top of a bowl.
Try using a wine jug or something with a lid so that you can mix the contents better.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#10089054 - 04/01/09 06:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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What's the point in re-inventing the wheel??? Why depart from KNOWN, successful extraction teks???
The major problem is far too much water. Assuming there is enough lye, you have diluted the spice into too high a volume of water. The concentration of spice in the naptha can (at best) only equal the concentration it is present in the basified water.
Why do people struggle with this concept????
Your naptha has next to no DMT in it because your basified water has next to no DMT concentration. As an example, I use only 6cc's of water for every gram of root bark and get excellent yields.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Nature Boy]
#10089152 - 04/01/09 06:28 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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ah. alright thats definitely a plausible answer. so i should try to evap some of the excess water out then? or maybe add more bark
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#10089255 - 04/01/09 06:45 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok...I JUST created and posted a Complete Idiots Guide to DMT extraction, with pictures. Copy it to your local machine. For reasons of my own, I will delete pix in 1 week.
See: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10089233
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Nature Boy]
#10092652 - 04/02/09 07:14 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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This guy's friendly alien went From this (1 hour in):

To this:

in 18 hours using the CFC method, reclaimed nps for another extract! Wooo!!
Btw, used ~ 125g MHRB. -- Trip Report: Afternoon of DMT and falling in Love
Edited by TerryTibbs (04/02/09 04:05 PM)
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: hoodbran]
#10095646 - 04/02/09 04:34 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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jesus christ... Link to the method? Or was it this lazyman tek
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hoodbran
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#10099741 - 04/03/09 10:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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optyks said: jesus christ... Link to the method? Or was it this lazyman tek
It was this tek with the CFC precipitation, no evaporation whatsoever, poured off the frozen naptha into a collection jar for use later..
I used this method for the collection of crystals:
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: hoodbran]
#10101292 - 04/03/09 04:38 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Like I said...STB is stupid easy...works like a charm. That's an awesome yield. 1 - 1.25% is much more typical.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Nature Boy]
#10108674 - 04/05/09 02:11 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, thinking that maybe i had too much water:bark ratio, i added a bunch more bark and made it pretty thick in consistency... I added naphtha and heated it up on a radiator for a while, til warm, then siphoned off....
I was left with. nothing.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#10109043 - 04/05/09 04:47 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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optyks said: Well, thinking that maybe i had too much water:bark ratio, i added a bunch more bark and made it pretty thick in consistency... I added naphtha and heated it up on a radiator for a while, til warm, then siphoned off....
I was left with. nothing.
!!!!!
Damn dude! That must be frustrating! Here's what I did for my yield above:
2 1000ml Jars in a warm water bath kept warm over a warm cooker (electric)
1 jar @ 75g powdered MHRB, 800ml water 75g NaOh 1 jar @ 50g powdered MHRB, 700ml water 55g NaOh
Should be black like motor oil consistency, mashed them both with a potato masher for like 1/2 hour, let sit for 3 hours added Naptha jar to the warm bath, mashed 1st two for 10 mins added 125ml NPS (naptha) to each jar, slowly mashed that around let settle three times and drew off the NPS (total 250ml non polar solvent) straight in the fridge for an hour then in the freezer mine get's to -30c - it's fan assisted, Arctic conditions Brrrr overnight, spice in the morning
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#10109473 - 04/05/09 09:23 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
optyks said: Well, thinking that maybe i had too much water:bark ratio, i added a bunch more bark and made it pretty thick in consistency... I added naphtha and heated it up on a radiator for a while, til warm, then siphoned off....
I was left with. nothing.
!!!!!
There's no such thing as too high of a water:bark ratio. Using extra water isn't going to hurt anything.
I can see two possible problems:
1.) You say you added the naphtha, but you don't mention mixing the layers. Not much is going to extract unless you gently swirl the phases together so there's a more active diffusion of DMT from water to naphtha at the interface.
2.) You say you heated it for a while (refering to the water and naphtha together)... that in itself could potentially account for the whole problem. You want to use hot naphtha to favor an initial rapid transfer of DMT into the naphtha (it only favors it initially, because the naphtha cools to room temperature basically as soon as you add it to the cooler aqueous phase). As far as I know, you don't want to heat the whole mix of water and naphtha for an extended period of time.
When you have DMT dissolved in hot naphtha in the presence of air, the DMT rapidly begins to oxidize (forming DMT-N-oxide, a yellow liquid). And DMT-N-oxide is pretty water-soluble compared to DMT (the oxide is a whole lot more polar), so when you have the two phases heated together, it seems probable that the DMT which migrates into the naphtha ends up getting oxidized and migrating back down into the water. If this is what happened, it's possible to convert DMT-N-oxide back to DMT using elemental zinc powder (search the DMT nexus for details).
It is also a possibility that you got bunk bark (either very weak, or the harvester mis-identified the species of mimosa)
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