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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: sk8h20]
#9731809 - 02/03/09 10:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Two grams is pretty unlikely (Figure somewhere around one half of one percent alkaloid content = .005% x 228g = 1.14 grams of alkaloid, provided you get it all...)
This is the method I used (and pretty much everyone else in this thread), and it seems to be pretty effective. There shouldn't be much cleaning needed.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#9734100 - 02/04/09 11:53 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am doing this extraction finally since I have all the materials.
Can someone help me with the conversion since I will be using 120g of powdered root bark. Wondering how much NaOH, Water, Naptha, and time?
Thanks a bunch
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: tealeaf]
#9734804 - 02/04/09 02:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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100 g NaOH, 1.8 liters of water, 50-100 mL naphtha per pull. Time is the same.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#9761452 - 02/08/09 05:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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when adding lye to the water is there any chemical reaction i should expect? should I add a bit of lye at a time or big scoops? i read somewhere that the lye will raise the water temperature and possibly boil over. just trying to play things safe.
i was also wondering if the product from this tek is smokable or should i perform a recrystalization? my undestanding is that this will help keep the crystals solid at room temp but is this necessary since the mimosa i am using is such a small amount?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: tealeaf]
#9762758 - 02/08/09 08:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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You heard correctly: when you add lye, the water heats up (other than that, there's no reactions to be aware of). Although it's rare for the heat to be enough to boil over, it's still good to add the lye over the course of a couple minutes, to play it safe.
As long as you freeze-precipitate, the product is ready to smoke. If you don't freeze-precipitate, a recrystallization might be a good idea... although it's not necessary if you were careful not to get any of the lye-bark layer along with the naphtha (even a single drop)
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: tealeaf]
#9767095 - 02/09/09 05:08 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've added lye by the tablespoonful to water from the hot tap and, though it makes a scary noise, it has never boiled over. This doesn't mean it won't! I stirred my NaOH so that it dissolved and dispersed quickly. This means the boiling point of the solution was raised, as well as the heat generated. It can get hot enough to noticeably soften plastic though!
ALWAYS USE APPROPRIATE SAFETY EQUIPMENT, PARTICULARLY EYE/FACE PROTECTION when using the abovementioned reckless procedure!
In case you were wondering, I was unblocking a waste pipe and needed the solution to be as hot as possible. However, I would not recommend the use of freshly boiled water for dissolving solid NaOH. Not that you were going to, but then you never know who ends up reading this, do you?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, etc. [Re: myndreach]
#9771152 - 02/10/09 09:15 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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what was your yeild from the 400-500 grams?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, etc. [Re: theking]
#9772017 - 02/10/09 01:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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trying to get this procees down since this is my first time so bear with me.
1.grinded up bark 2.mixed lye into water into empty apple sauce jar (is this ok?) 3.add bark and let sit for about 1 hr 4.add naptha and roll jar (cap on of course) 5.wait an hr until everything is settled 6.transfer naptha layer to baking dish 7.wait till most has evaped to saturated amount (shiny) 8. cover and put in fridge for 30 mins 9.transfer to freezer
after that im having problems understanding what to do. hopefully someone is gracious and can help me through
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: tealeaf]
#9772497 - 02/10/09 02:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
trying to get this procees down since this is my first time so bear with me.
1.grinded up bark 2.mixed lye into water into empty apple sauce jar (is this ok?) 3.add bark and let sit for about 1 hr 4.add naptha and roll jar (cap on of course) 5.wait an hr until everything is settled 6.transfer naptha layer to baking dish 7.wait till most has evaped to saturated amount (shiny) 8. cover and put in fridge for 30 mins 9.transfer to freezer
after that im having problems understanding what to do. hopefully someone is gracious and can help me through
10. Remove from freezer, observing crop of white crystals in bottom of jar (with any luck) 10a. If crystals are powdery/sludge, try swapping jar between fridge and freezer every couple of hours for a day or so. 11. If crystals are larger (a bit like medium coarse sea salt in appearance), carefully drain off naphtha. Save the naphtha for re-use! 12. Allow remnants of naptha to evaporate from crystals. Keep dust-free and below 35oC (94oF) 13. Optional wash with ammonia solution 13a. Allow to dry again 13b. Optional recrystallisation 14. Use crystals at your discretion
Note on step 10a: if your crystals don't get any bigger, it may be worth warming the jar gently in a bowl of warm water. This will redissolve the crystals. Then allow to cool more slowly, first in a cool room, then the fridge, then the freezer. Swap between fridge and freezer a couple more times if you can be bothered.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Mr E Guest]
#9777114 - 02/11/09 07:53 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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well i screwed up along the way. i evaporated it too much and there was no solution left in the baking dish, just small sticky bumps. its been in the freezer for 12 hrs now and all i see is some patches of white goop, nothing close to resembling crystals and since I evaped too much there is nothing to drain off. seems like a total loss
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: tealeaf]
#9777140 - 02/11/09 08:03 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you evapped and only got a few sticky bumps, those bumps contain the DMT. If there's not much of it, then you should try doing a few more pulls from your rootbark solution (warm the naphtha before adding it, and mix periodically for a few hours to give the spice plenty of opportunity to get into the solvent.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#9778418 - 02/11/09 02:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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yea that is where I went wrong for sure. should have left the naptha in the jar much much longer. i rolled the jar for maybe 10 mins and let sit for 20. I did a pull a few hours later and got a very small amount which appears to be very pure.
this was a good learning session, which I will look back on in the future when experimenting again
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: tealeaf]
#9784105 - 02/12/09 10:13 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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i was able to do a few more extractions with noticable results, the only problem is that the dmt remain goopy. ive been going back and forth from the fridge to freezer and crystals are forming, but when i scrap them up everything turns to sludge. any ideas?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: tealeaf]
#9785136 - 02/12/09 02:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Recrystallize
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#10012880 - 03/21/09 10:16 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, so far me and a friend have pulled very little. Here's what we've done.
1.) put 1 LB of powdered bark into a 5 liter glass bowl 2.) measure out 2 liters of water, add 13 table spoons of rooter lye 3.) combine mixtures stir for 20 minutes, we then let it sit for 2 hours, it sat in 50 degree weather(his shed its cold out) 4.) Add 475ML of naphtha, stir for 15 minutes, let sit for 4 hours(also outside in 50 degree weather) 5.) Turkey baster out the thin layer of naphtha into an 8"x8"x2" glass pan. 6.)Let it evaporate with a fan on it for awhile (inside)
This yielded a fair amount of TINY TINY white crystals (enough for amazing trips for the two of us) The problem is after looking at the crystals people are pulling/ the size I'm not sure what we are doing wrong. Is it because it's sitting in such cold weather?, do we need to add more lye?, What could we do to up our amount?
On our second pull, same exact terms as the first pull, we got a little more, a lot of crystals, but once again tiny in size.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: ticklemonster4u]
#10013025 - 03/21/09 10:46 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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The cold weather is very likely the problem. DMT is very poorly soluble in cold naphtha, it's only decently soluble in warm or room-temperature naphtha.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#10023009 - 03/22/09 09:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Update: we did a 24 hour pull, the stuff was inside this time. Same results. Anything else that could be factoring why we are getting so little? We are getting small small crystals, not rocks or anything resembling pictures I've seen posted on the thread. When we scrap the pan and put it all together, I can't describe what it looks like. We stir softly and only for 10-15 minutes when we do(once a day) It's 1 lb of powdered bark in 2 liters of lye water( 13 TBSP)Using exact stuff told in extraction. Just not sure where we are going wrong. If anymore details are needed, let me know.
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optyks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: ticklemonster4u]
#10023133 - 03/22/09 10:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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try adding a bit more lye, maybe?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#10038329 - 03/25/09 11:37 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, well we did a heat bath and a 20 minute extraction just to see if it made a difference and it gave us this

I'm guessing a longer bath will give us more?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: ticklemonster4u]
#10038594 - 03/25/09 12:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just did my first extraction on 500 grams of MHRB and did the Lazy Mans Tek basically, though I tweaked a little because I ground everything up. I used roughly 350 grams of food grade Sodium Hydroxide and did 6 pulls with VM&P Naptha, the last 4 were heated in a water bath to 115 degrees F. All in all I yielded 4.963 grams, Almost 1% on my first STB! Oh I also freeze precip'd after evaporating to roughly 1/3 of the original amount pulled, and the final product came out crystally white, barely any yellow to speak of.
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