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veda_sticks
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#9181196 - 11/04/08 05:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just a quickie question for a mate of mine. Can you use virola theidora resin with this extraction.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: optyks]
#9181611 - 11/04/08 08:55 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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The body high is very prominent, as is the "DMT tone" (different people hear the tone differently, sounds like a dental drill to me), but these are just the breif vestiges of the come-up. During the actual experience in DMT space (which is what most people aim for), the body high is irrelevent (since your mind leaves your body behind). I suspect that's why you don't see it mentioned all that often.
veda_sticks, if you're extracting 5-MeO-DMT (which is what virola mostly contains) then it's best to use an acid/base extraction instead; the extreme pH used in this tek is apt to hurt 5-MeO-DMT yields. Also, most virola products are very low in alkaloids; if 5-MeO-DMT is your goal, it seems it's better to use Chaliponga (Diplopterys cabrerana).
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That 8-10% [reported virola alkaloid content] is only for freshly prepared snuff made from the fresh sap that runs from the tree when you cut it open, it’s not the so called “resin” being sold. The "resin" being sold is basically the inner scrapings of the bark left AFTER the sap is removed. The bark being sold is after the shinny inner bark was removed and sold as "resin". Neither product contains much of anything. The "resin" is higher in alkaloid content than the bark is, but the sap is where most of it is and that is harvested before any of it gets out of the jungle.
That’s what I heard anyway, and it seems to be accurate because all of the Yirola products available have little to no alkaloids present in them. SWIM has attempted extracting from many kinds of bark and they all produce next to nothing, although the “resin” is said to better than the bark. What you really want is the sap or the actual snuff, but you can’t buy that anywhere.
In one bark extraction, which was very thorough, SWIM obtained absolutely NO ALKALOIDS AT ALL. Not even 0.0001%. There was NONE.
In SWIM’s most successful extraction SWIM obtained 64 mg of 5-MeO-DMT and NO DMT from 118 grams of bark. So that yield was 0.0005%.
It’s not worth it. You get far more 5-MeO-DMT from Diplopterys cabrerana, something like 0.5% alkaloids with about 30% being 5-MeO-DMT and the rest being DMT and some other unusual alkaloids.
Since Chaliponga contains both DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, you'd need to seperate the two products after extracting (if you want to use them seperately). This is actually an easy process:
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Dissolve the mixed alkaloids in acetone. Add 10% citric acid solution (pre-dissolved in acetone). This causes a cloud to form. Continue adding the citric acid solution and precipitates start falling out of the acetone. Stop adding citric acid solution when no more precipitates form. The precipitates will contain the 5-MeO-DMT citrate (and 5-HO-DMT citrate if there was any). The acetone will contain DMT citrate. Pour off the acetone through a filter and wash the precipitates with acetone to obtain 5-MeO-DMT citrate. NOTE: Before vaporizing 5-MeO-DMT, it needs to be freebased.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#9228448 - 11/12/08 01:32 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didn't read the whole thread, but can this be used for almost any plant source containing DMT?What about the more potent Phalaris strains?
Edited by tenacioustornado (11/12/08 01:33 AM)
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: tenacioustornado]
#9228473 - 11/12/08 01:43 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, most other plant sources require a defat step. I suppose you could probably skip defatting if you used xylene instead of naphtha, then precipitated the DMT as the fumarate salt and freebased it from there, a la the FASA method
I adressed phalaris earlier in this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9015462#Post9015462
Also, it's been said before, but since you didn't read the thread: This tek doesn't use enough lye.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#9228966 - 11/12/08 07:52 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm this sounds like a good tek for me to attempt my first DMT extract with. I plan on using Acacia bark, as this is my only DMT source. First I need to learn how to de-fat, so I can attempt to adapt this to acacia... Im pretty happy I found this, Im confident I can finally have some DMT:D! Thanks to the poster:!)!
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: learysprotoge]
#9229049 - 11/12/08 08:27 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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To defat you need to do an acid/base extraction, not an STB like this one (see the DMT extraction overview link in my sig for an explanation of the difference)
If you're using acacia, I'd recommend the LexTek.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#9235151 - 11/13/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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can this tek be used for mescaline???
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: SurReality]
#9235219 - 11/13/08 12:48 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, you want mescaline salt, not a freebase. Also, mescaline isn't really soluble in naphtha.
Most popular mescline teks use a similar method though (going straight to base). Check out Ekstaza's tek and the Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate tek.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: PhantomPower]
#9237505 - 11/13/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it true that lye destroys DMT after a while? 'cause I left those together in the same jar for quite a while.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: PhantomPower]
#9237509 - 11/13/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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ops sorry same post... I cant delete it?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Hiei]
#9237576 - 11/13/08 02:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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so what is a legal use VM+P Naphtha, cuz i always feel strange getting something that i don't know why everyone else that comes to buy it would use it for....
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: SurReality]
#9237628 - 11/13/08 02:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it's used to take off the paint from walls, or something like that.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Hiei]
#9237805 - 11/13/08 03:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, it's a paint stripper/thinner.
Hiei, I've heard conflicting reports about the lye causing degradation of DMT. Some say it will cause the DMT to degrade or oxidize, but I've also read of someone pulling spice from a year-old lye/bark solution.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#9238062 - 11/13/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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so im guessing youve never actually extracted dmt?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: SurReality]
#9238249 - 11/13/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have in the past, though considering how active I am in helping people extract it, I feel it's prudent for me not to be in possession of the equipment or precursor materials... maybe I'm just paranoid.
I couldn't offer any personal experience with regards to Hiei's question, because I've never left an alkaline solution sitting for more than a couple days.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: coAsTal]
#9412634 - 12/11/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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coAsTal said: I have a feeling that your unknown-content lighter fluid might have been a fatal mistake...
Silicone anti-foaming agent? Bad.
I fear you might have to start over with a new venture bro-- this one sounds pretty bad... but I wish you luck on getting something safe out of this.
dmt-nexus.com will have a list of proper solvents to use where you are from-- start there, and choose carefully.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: The Centre]
#9441196 - 12/16/08 12:27 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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so what am i looking at yielding from a kilo?
Does this need to be done is a well ventilated area?
after i do my first pull, do i throw that material away or could i do another pull?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: SummerDaisies]
#9442980 - 12/16/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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First, be aware that this tek has its problems. It doesn't call for enough lye or water. A kilo extraction should take at least 800 grams of lye, and 15 liters of water (that's nearly 4 gallons), or 25 liters of water if you're using bark that was bought pre-powdered. Unless you've got a HDPE2 carboy onhand that will let you process that kind of volume easily, I wouldn't recommend using this method to process a whole kilo at once.
If it's your first extraction, I recommend trying it with no more than 100 g of bark to make sure you've properly understood the process.
A kilo should yield at least 4-5 grams (unless it's weak bark), possibly as much as 15-20 (if it's very potent bark, though bark that potent doesn't seem to be as common as it used to be).
You'll always need to do several pulls. Naphtha is a poor solvent for extracting DMT efficiently, it's just handy because DMT can be freeze-precipitated out of it.
Whenever working with naphtha you need to have the area well-ventilated. Whenever working with lye or lye solutions, always wear goggles and gloves.
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: Entropymancer]
#9443243 - 12/16/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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thanks man, i guess the only part i am missing now is the pulls.
so after i take the top layer off to dry and become my dmt, what do i do with the muck sitting in the dark liquid?
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Re: DMT extraction...rootbark to smokeable in roughly 3-4 hours...no grinding, powdering, freezing, [Re: SummerDaisies]
#9443297 - 12/16/08 11:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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if you are evaporating the top layer, then you will need to add more naphtha to the dark liquid, stir for awhile, and take the top layer off again. repeat a few times.
if you are freeze precipitating, you can wait until you pour off the naphtha from your first pull and reuse that naphtha. and continue in the same way as above.
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