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Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement
    #6923543 - 05/16/07 06:28 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9719339-7.html

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Attorney General Alberto Gonzales is pressing the U.S. Congress to enact a sweeping intellectual-property bill that would increase criminal penalties for copyright infringement, including "attempts" to commit piracy.

"To meet the global challenges of IP crime, our criminal laws must be kept updated," Gonzales said during a speech before the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Washington on Monday.

The Bush administration is throwing its support behind a proposal called the Intellectual Property Protection Act of 2007, which is likely to receive the enthusiastic support of the movie and music industries, and would represent the most dramatic rewrite of copyright law since a 2005 measure dealing with prerelease piracy.

Here's our podcast on the topic.

The IPPA would, for instance:

* Criminalize "attempting" to infringe copyright. Federal law currently punishes not-for-profit copyright infringement with between 1 and 10 years in prison, but there has to be actual infringement that takes place. The IPPA would eliminate that requirement. (The Justice Department's summary of the legislation says: "It is a general tenet of the criminal law that those who attempt to commit a crime but do not complete it are as morally culpable as those who succeed in doing so.")

* Create a new crime of life imprisonment for using pirated software. Anyone using counterfeit products who "recklessly causes or attempts to cause death" can be imprisoned for life. During a conference call, Justice Department officials gave the example of a hospital using pirated software instead of paying for it.

* Permit more wiretaps for piracy investigations. Wiretaps would be authorized for investigations of Americans who are "attempting" to infringe copyrights.

* Allow computers to be seized more readily. Specifically, property such as a PC "intended to be used in any manner" to commit a copyright crime would be subject to forfeiture, including civil asset forfeiture. Civil asset forfeiture has become popular among police agencies in drug cases as a way to gain additional revenue, and it is problematic and controversial.

* Increase penalties for violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act's anticircumvention regulations. Criminal violations are currently punished by jail times of up to 10 years and fines of up to $1 million. The IPPA would add forfeiture penalties.

* Add penalties for "intended" copyright crimes. Certain copyright crimes currently require someone to commit the "distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period of at least 10 copies" valued at more than $2,500. The IPPA would insert a new prohibition: actions that were "intended to consist of" distribution.

* Require Homeland Security to alert the Recording Industry Association of America. That would happen when CDs with "unauthorized fixations of the sounds, or sounds and images, of a live musical performance" are attempted to be imported. Neither the Motion Picture Association of America nor the Business Software Alliance (nor any other copyright holder, such as photographers, playwrights or news organizations, for that matter) would qualify for this kind of special treatment.

A representative of the Motion Picture Association of America told us: "We appreciate the department's commitment to intellectual-property protection and look forward to working with both the department and Congress as the process moves ahead."

What's still unclear is the kind of reception this legislation might encounter on Capitol Hill. Gonzales may not be terribly popular, but Democrats do tend to be more closely aligned with Hollywood and the recording industry than is the GOP. (A few years ago, Republicans even savaged fellow conservatives for allying themselves too closely with copyright holders.)

On behalf of Rep. Howard Berman, the California Democrat who heads the House Judiciary subcommittee that focuses on intellectual property, a representative said the congressman is reviewing proposals from the attorney general and others. The aide said the Hollywood politician plans to introduce his own intellectual-property enforcement bill later this year but that his office is not prepared to discuss any details yet.

One key Republican was less guarded. "We are reviewing (the attorney general's) proposal. Any plan to stop IP theft will benefit the economy and the American worker," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the top Republican on the House Judiciary committee. "I applaud the attorney general for recognizing the need to protect intellectual property."

Still, it's too early to tell what might happen. A similar copyright bill that Smith, the RIAA and the Software and Information Industry Association enthusiastically supported last April never went anywhere.




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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Seuss]
    #6923546 - 05/16/07 06:30 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yet a step closer to "thought crimes"...


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Seuss]
    #6923657 - 05/16/07 07:25 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

God damn :nonono:

Glad I don't live there....


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Seuss]
    #6923857 - 05/16/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Yet a step closer to "thought crimes"...




We have had thought crimes for years. Good thing is, conspiracy charges based on "thought crimes" dont hold up well in court...but I agree the day is comming when they will. Although I think we will get to the point where the court system is circumvented anyways (take for instance gitmo).

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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Seuss]
    #6923948 - 05/16/07 08:47 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Does anybody else see the inconsistency of the following statement by Gonzales:

"To meet the global challenges of IP crime, our criminal laws must be kept updated"

Eh? How do criminal laws that apply only to US citizens meet "global challenges" of IP crime?

Also...

"During a conference call, Justice Department officials gave the example of a hospital using pirated software instead of paying for it."

So a nurse, using software that some IT guy installed, could get life in prison, because the IT guy thought the hospital had a valid license for the software.


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Seuss]
    #6924010 - 05/16/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Does anybody else see the inconsistency of the following statement by Gonzales:

"To meet the global challenges of IP crime, our criminal laws must be kept updated"

Eh? How do criminal laws that apply only to US citizens meet "global challenges" of IP crime?

Also...

"During a conference call, Justice Department officials gave the example of a hospital using pirated software instead of paying for it."

So a nurse, using software that some IT guy installed, could get life in prison, because the IT guy thought the hospital had a valid license for the software.




I agree with you here. I just see it as corporate america flexing it's biggest asset, the US govt. Don't these people have enough money as it is? And another thing. I download a couple of songs illegally or use software that has a street value of less than $50 and can get heavily punished by some asshole while this same asshole can steal millions of dollars from American's and get away with a stay at a federal golf course?


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: trippindad82]
    #6924072 - 05/16/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Here's what I'm hoping for: An explosion that takes out the entire state of Maryland.

I hope I don't get rundown for saying that, thanks to all these new snooping laws :paranoid:

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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Seuss]
    #6924225 - 05/16/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Life in prison for bootleg music????????? FUCK the RIAA/MPAA...

Gonzales needs to go.


THE FIRST STEP IN DESTROYING PERSONAL FREEDOM IS TO PASS LAWS THAT CRIMINALIZE COMMON ACTIONS, SO THAT EVERY CITIZEN IS MADE VULNERABLE.

THIS IS SUCH A LAW.


Does This makes record labels an arm of the federal government?


Or the Federal Government an enforcement arm of the RIAA?


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6924244 - 05/16/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Life in prison for bootleg music????????? FUCK the RIAA/MPAA...




I read the article in the opening post through a few times, but I must have missed the part recommending life in prison for pirated music. Perhaps you could cut and paste that part for me?



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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Phred]
    #6924669 - 05/16/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I think the original article misrepresents what the crime text actually says.

The document (found here: http://politechbot.com/docs/doj.intellectual.property.protection.act.2007.051407.pdf) says that life imprisonment can be sentenced when the suspect, through copyright infringement "knowingly or recklessly attempts to cause death." I'm not sure when this situation would actually occur, but that's what the law says.

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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Phred]
    #6924681 - 05/16/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

http://politechbot.com/docs/doj.intellectual.property.protection.act.2007.051407.pdf



This Legislation will criminalize "attempts" to infringe copyrights, permit wiretaps for piracy investigations,allow easier seizure of PCs and other hardware used to commit copyright infringement and create a new crime of life imprisonment for using pirated software...


It will Require Homeland Security to alert the Recording Industry Association of America...


Highlights of the IPPA of 2007


1. Creates a new Federal offense of "...attempting to commit criminal copyright infringement," saying that "...those who attempt to commit a crime but do not complete it are as morally culpable as those who succeed in doing so."


2. Authorizes the "...forfeiture of property intended to be used in the commission of the offense," as well as "...restitution to the copyright owner and any other victim." By bye PC. Bye bye external HDDs. Bye bye blank media.


3. Outlaws the exportation of infringing copies of copyrighted works, presumably meaning that sharing files with individuals outside the US would also be illegal.


4. Allows law enforcement officers the ability to have "...access to the full range of lawful investigative tools when they investigate intellectual property crimes," meaning that they would be able to "wiretap" an individual's internet connection for the purpose of investigating criminal copyright infringement cases.


5. Creates a new sentence of life imprisonment for anyone using pirated software "...where the defendant knowingly or recklessly causes or attempts to cause serious bodily injury." An example of this would be a hospital using pirated software which then results in situation where a patient is then injured or harmed.

Gonzales: Life Imprisonment for Copyright Infringers

"If this legislation becomes law, here are some things you could look forward to: 1-10 years in prison for attempting to engage in copyright infringement that would bring no profit to you (i.e., trying but failing to copy Doctor Who DVDs for your girlfriend); prison for life if you endangered someone by using pirated software (if a hospital got somebody's medical records confused while using an infringing copy of Windows, for instance); being wiretapped by law enforcement investigating cases of attempted copyright infringement (now that your efforts to infringe Doctor Who DVDs for your girlfriend have been discovered, your cell phone has been tapped).

Sounds great, huh? But wait, there's more. The IPPA promises enhanced sentencing for violating the DMCA, and will allow law enforcement to seize computers more easily. Buckle up, techno-wonks. It's gonna be a rough ride if this bill makes it through Congress."

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2007/05/gonzales_life_i.html


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Redstorm]
    #6924690 - 05/16/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Next it will be a crime to think about attempting to infringe on a copyright...

Edited by lonestar2004 (05/16/07 11:51 AM)

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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6924767 - 05/16/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

> Next it will be a crime to think about attempting to infringe on a copyright...

Very true... the first only protects speech... if they outlaw the thought that leads up to the speech, then they can get you for thinking about speaking, thus avoiding that whole nasty amendment...


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Seuss]
    #6924773 - 05/16/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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> Next it will be a crime to think about attempting to infringe on a copyright...

Very true... the first only protects speech... if they outlaw the thought that leads up to the speech, then they can get you for thinking about speaking, thus avoiding that whole nasty amendment...




I certainly wouldnt be shocked to find out they are working very hard on finding a way to monitor such things.

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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: dedjam]
    #6924800 - 05/16/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe we should stop talking about it.  :paranoid:


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6924829 - 05/16/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Or thinking about it. :wink:

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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Seuss]
    #6924911 - 05/16/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Does anybody else see the inconsistency of the following statement by Gonzales:

"To meet the global challenges of IP crime, our criminal laws must be kept updated"

Eh? How do criminal laws that apply only to US citizens meet "global challenges" of IP crime




The problem here is that most of the rest of the world believes that people like Gonzalez and Bush et al; truly believe that US law also applies to everyone else in the world.

Example: The CIA interrogation prisons in various countries around the world. Italy issues arrest warrants for more than a dozen US operatives that illegally kidnap and interrogate its citizens.

At some point in the future, a number of countries are going to get together and challenge the US, not on a military scale but on world court challenge and trade embargo level to get these people to back off. The time is rapidly approaching when many countries are going to be able to say; You know what USA, go fuck yourself, we have other friends, and we don't need to trade anything with you. We are no longer sending you goods, and we will not accept anything in our country from an American company.

There are huge ramifications to the US from this scenario.


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Seuss]
    #6924921 - 05/16/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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The Bush administration is throwing its support behind a proposal called the Intellectual Property Protection Act of 2007, which is likely to receive the enthusiastic support of the movie and music industries, and would represent the most dramatic rewrite of copyright law since a 2005 measure dealing with prerelease piracy.




and even more so from the prison industry..since the provisions of the law are so vague that simply owning a laptop with a DVD burner would at least be construed as evidence...


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: trendal]
    #6924985 - 05/16/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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God damn :nonono:

Glad I don't live there....







Millions of baby seals would disagree...


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6924999 - 05/16/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Personally, I wouldn't be too concerned about most this for several reasons.

First, as pointed out by lonestar above, the MASSIVE numbers of people downloading music illegally will make policing individuals about as productive as arresting drug users instead of drug dealers. The limited resources of the police will still incentivise them to go after the "big fish" rather than individual downloaders.

Since many of the "big fish" are already the target of civil actions being taken by the RIAA, not much would change.

Second, the burden of proof is on the government in any criminal trial, and they would have to show malicious intent, as with any other "attempting to blank" trial. Malicious intent is notoriously hard to prove, and this would most likely prevent any of the "IT guy accidentally installs something, goes to jail..."

However, the one thing that would concern me greatly, if passed, is this:
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lonestar2004 said:
2. Authorizes the "...forfeiture of property intended to be used in the commission of the offense," as well as "...restitution to the copyright owner and any other victim." By bye PC. Bye bye external HDDs. Bye bye blank media.




It's already well known that many police departments use drug busts as a revenue generating activity, since most laws allow the police to keep any seized cash as well as the proceeds from the sale of seized property.

By giving the police broad authority to seize a particularly high-priced line of products (PCs and related material) cash-strapped police departments might begin to behave inappropriately in order to further augment their own budgets.

Even worse, the usual risks associated with a drug bust (i.e. getting shot at) don't apply. Walking into a house and taking a teen's computer costs any police department virtually nothing, and yet it could easily turn them a profit at a police auction.

This is clearly unacceptable, and I would hope something would be done to stop it.

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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Economist]
    #6925055 - 05/16/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I disagree.

IMO it’s a another power grab.

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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6925070 - 05/16/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Are you a vegetarian now or something? :smirk:


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: trendal]
    #6925131 - 05/16/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

No.

Just a proud American joking/playing with his jealous Canadian little brother. :smile: :smile:  :smile:


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    #6925197 - 05/16/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6925671 - 05/16/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

So the proposed legislation does NOT recommend life imprisonment for pirating music.

That's what I thought.




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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Phred]
    #6925724 - 05/16/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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So the proposed legislation does NOT recommend life imprisonment for pirating music.

That's what I thought.




Phred




Your right Phred. (pirating music)

Only Prison for life if...

"Prison for life if you endangered someone by using pirated software"

"(for instance if a hospital got somebody's medical records confused while using an infringing copy of Windows, for instance);"




Maybe I am being a drama queen, but it could happen....


Gonzales needs to be FIRED!


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6925768 - 05/16/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Gonzales needs to be FIRED!




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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: Seuss]
    #6925839 - 05/16/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

So why are these laws necessary? What specific occurences are they in response to? We aren't suspossed to create laws unless there is a valid reason to.


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6925942 - 05/16/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Fucking FEDERAL LAWS, no less.....


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6925971 - 05/16/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

As of this date the Constitution does not grant the attorney general the power to enact laws. Yes, you are being a drama queen. Conspiracy to commit a crime has been criminalized for many infractions, even including fraud. Attempting to commit a crime has been criminalized for many infractions. Relax and stop stealing music.


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6925993 - 05/16/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
  Relax and stop stealing music.





But the music sounds better when its stolen:smirk:.


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Re: Gonzales proposes new crime: 'Attempted' copyright infringement [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6926018 - 05/16/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

So, in which instance could someone use copyright infringement to kill someone?


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