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popular music trashing US president.... I'm down.
#6923438 - 05/16/07 05:33 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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The trend seems to suggest that George W. Bush will be a name not soon forgotten, and undoubtedly, a prominent name in history- with a reputation for being one of the most stubborn, stupid, cowardly, and ruthless leaders the US has seen.
This is of course, all redundant. But I smile, and roll my eyes, as i listen to new popular music on the radio "subtley" trashing the US president. I would have been impressed 5 yrs ago...
The first new popular song was played on the radio as i was driving to work in San Diego a number of months ago. It was the Muse's "Knights of Cydonia" :
Come ride with me, Through the veins of history I'll show you how god Falls asleep on the job
And how can we win When fools can be kings Don't waste your time Or time will waste you
No one's gonna take me alive The time has come to make things right You and I must fight for our rights You and I must fight to survive
It doesn't take a genius to realize the reference... Yet slightly more conspicuous is the new Nine Inch Nails "Capital G" :
He pushed a button and it dropped a bomb You pushed the button and could watch it on the television Those motherfuckers didn't last too long uh-uh! I'm sick of hearing about the have's and the have not's Have some personal accountability The biggest problem with the way that we've been doing things is The more we let you have the less that I'll be keeping for me
Well I used to stand for something Now I'm on my hands and knees Traded in my god for this one And he signs his name with a capital G
Don't give a shit about the temperature in Guatemala Don't really see what all the fuss is about
Ain't gonna worry about no future generations and uh! I'm sure somebody gonna figure it out Don't try to tell me how some power can corrupt a person You haven't had enough to know what its like You're only angry cause you wish you were in my position Now nod your head because you know that I'm right, alright!
Well I used to stand for something But forgot what that could be There's a lot of me inside you Maybe you're afraid to see
Well I used to stand for something Now I'm on my hands and knees Traded in my god for this one And he signs his name with a capital G
I wonder what is next.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: CureCat]
#6923491 - 05/16/07 06:06 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah, sometimes i get annoyed by overly political bands though
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: haysoos]
#6923574 - 05/16/07 06:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, it's better than songs SUPPORTING him...
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Siekoaktiv]
#6924449 - 05/16/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Muse is fucking amazing.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: CureCat]
#6924463 - 05/16/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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That new Muse album is a big step back for them, if'n ya ask me.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: CureCat]
#6924464 - 05/16/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr. Lif's been doing this for years.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: jewunit]
#6924994 - 05/16/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dunno who Mr. Lif is, but i was referring specifically to popular music- stuff you hear on lots of radio stations. Surely, Muse and NIN are not the first to bash on Bush.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: CureCat]
#6925028 - 05/16/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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never heard of muse. what type of music is that? not a big fan of country but the dixie chicks have been bashing bush for awhile now. dont know if you've heard of them but "pro-pain" has a new album called "age of tyranny" with songs like "all for king george", "impeach,indict,imprison" and "iraqnam" they have been around forawhile
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Siekoaktiv]
#6925077 - 05/16/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Siekoaktiv said: Well, it's better than songs SUPPORTING him...
Whose writing songs to support him? I'll give it a shot - here goes:
"Yuk yuk yuk, Yuk, yuk, yuk, Noo-kyoo-lar duck, Stuck in my truck, Don't give a hoozits! 'Cause dubbya's gonna loozits! And smack them pagan an-ee-mules in the watoozits - YEEHAW!"
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Astral Piper]
#6925092 - 05/16/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol, wtf is that?
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: LloydChristmas]
#6925133 - 05/16/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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LloydChristmas said: lol, wtf is that?
Dunno, but it seemed appropriate. I think of dubbya's world as one where Jesus is white, with a crew-cut, and comes from a poor sharecropper's hut somewhere in Arkansas. That being the case, the lyrics to my song might actually be meaningful to dubbya and people like him, so I thought I'd throw it out there.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Astral Piper]
#6925142 - 05/16/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ministry fucking rocks!!!!!
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Astral Piper]
#6925144 - 05/16/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it's a great song!
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: blood4blood]
#6925153 - 05/16/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Odessa Texas 1948 Destined for greatness, and he couldn't wait As for motive, that's up for debate Lone Star, yeah... he's packin the heat Rubbin elbows with the social elite Who took notice of a world at his feet The big drill, and the CIA Richard Nixon paved the way for this god to have his day VP under Bonzo Reagan Then Pres, of this once great nation 91', his first invasion Oh... the good ol' days I miss Now get me out of this, this hierarchal abyss Kissin' Middle Eastern ass While pride, black gold, and gas Just a profiteer on your foreign soil Operation Blood for Oil Passed the buck to his number one Now we're fucked by the bastard son Can't hide, so we better run Three cheers for the underachiever Once a drunk, and now a believer All hail The Great Deceiver First term saw mass corruption 2 wars to boost production All done for your protection C'est La Vie to French relations and to NATO's limitations that prevent occupations Oh... bleed me til' I'm bled Voices never heard, blues are getting' red Kissin' Middle Eastern ass Skull bones, black gold, and gas He an irritation and a fucking boil Operation Blood for Oil
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: blood4blood]
#6925166 - 05/16/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Young Abdel Madi Shabneh was only 18 years old, He was the youngest of nine children, never spent a night away from home. And his mother held his photograph up in the New York Times You see the killing has intensified along the road to peace
He was a tall, thin boy with a whispy moustache disguised as an orthodox Jew On a crowded bus in Jerusalem, some had survived World War Two And the thunderous explosion blew out windows 200 yards away With more retribution and seventeen dead along the road to peace
Now at King George Ave and Jaffa Road passengers boarded bus 14a In the aisle next to the driver Abdel Madi Shabnet And the last thing that he said on earth is "God is great and God is good" And he blew them all to kingdom come upon the road to peace
Now in response to this another kiss of death was visited upon Yasser Taha, Israel says is an Hamas senior militant And Israel sent four choppers in, flames engulfed his white Opel And it killed his wife and his three year old child leaving only a blackened skeleton
They found his toddlers bottle and a pair of small shoes and they waved them in front of the cameras But Israel says they did not know that his wife and child were in the car There are roadblocks everywhere and only suffering on TV Neither side will ever give up their smallest right along the road to peace
Israel launched it's latest campaign against Hamas on Tuesday And two days later Hamas shot back and killed five Israeli soldiers So thousands dead and wounded on both sides most of them middle eastern civilians They fill the children full of hate to fight an old man's war and die upon the road to peace
"Now this is our land we will fight with all our force" say the Palastinians and the Jews Each side will cut off the hand of anyone who tries to stop the resistance If the right eye offends thee then you must pluck it out And Mahmoud Abbas said Sharon had been lost out along the road to peace
Once Kissinger said "we have no friends, America only has interests" Now our president wants to be seen as a hero and he's hungry for re-election But Bush is reluctant to risk his future in the fear of his political failure So he plays chess at his desk and poses for the press 10,000 miles from the road to peace
In the video that they found at the home of Abdel Madi Shabneh He held a Kalashnikov rifle and he spoke with a voice like a boy He was an excellent student, he studied so hard, it was as if he had a future He told his mother that he had a test that day out along the road to peace
The fundamentalist killing on both sides is standing in the path of peace But tell me why are we arming the Israeli army with guns and tanks and bullets?
And if God is great and God is good why can't he change the hearts of men? Well maybe God himself is lost and needs help Maybe God himself he needs all of our help Maybe God himself is lost and needs help He's out upon the road to peace
Well maybe God himself is lost and needs help Maybe God himself he needs all of our help And he's lost upon the road to peace And he's lost upon the road to peace Out upon the road to peace
Tom Waits, 'Road to Peace'
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: lukeboots]
#6925179 - 05/16/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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tom waits rocks too. is that off his new album?
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: blood4blood]
#6925191 - 05/16/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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While I appreciate the sentiment, Tom Waits should stick to things he actually knows about, like hookers, cheap booze, and vomiting on his piano.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: blood4blood]
#6925194 - 05/16/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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yep, it's on the brawlers disc of orphans. it's a badass track. it's like ten minutes long though, so it's kind of like settling in for story time.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: lukeboots]
#6925216 - 05/16/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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UPDATE - Please disregard my earlier post knocking Tom Waits. I just started listening to "Nighthawks at the Diner" for the first time in like ten years, and I had forgotten just how good he is.
"My pork cutlet just got off the plate and walked down the counter to pick a fight with my coffee, and the coffee was too weak to defend itself...."
That's too cool for school.
In my defense, if I recall the lyrics of songs from the album "Closing Time" he does tend to sing about a lot of drunken vomiting.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Astral Piper]
#6925239 - 05/16/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Drunks love talkin' politics. Tom Waits is a smart guy anyway, from what I've noticed.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: CureCat]
#6925249 - 05/16/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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CureCat said: Dunno who Mr. Lif is, but i was referring specifically to popular music- stuff you hear on lots of radio stations. Surely, Muse and NIN are not the first to bash on Bush.
Yeah, Lif is one of those guys who's popular if you know the scene (so not really popular at all.) Here's the second verse to one of his song "Home of the Brave." I'll admit, it isn't the best verse ever, but you get the idea.
Headline: Bush steals the presidency He needs the backing of the media what could the remedy be? The country's headed for recession reminiscent of the Great Depression Are lives worth a world of power? Easy question Planes hit the towers and the Pentagon Killing those the government wasn't dependant on It's easy to control the scared so they keep us in fear With their favorite Middle Eastern demon named Bin Laden this year Bush disguises blood lust as patriotism Convincing the living to love "Operation Let's Get 'Em" But when he realized we don't support their attacks They needed something to distract, hmm, anthrax This further demonizes Afghanis So Americans cheer while we kill their innocent families And what better place to start a war To build a pipeline to get the oil that they had wanted before America supported the Taliban To get Russia out of Afghanistan That's how they got the arms in They're in a war against the Northern Alliance And we can't build a pipeline in hostile environments Here's what your history books won't show: You're a dead man for fucking with American dough They killed several birds with one stone While you're at home with anti-terrorism up in your dome But my eyes are wide open and my TV is off Great, 'cause I save on my electricity cost And you can wave that piece of shit flag if you dare But they killed us because we've been killing them for years
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: CureCat]
#7045411 - 06/14/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's deep.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: FrenchSocialist]
#7045429 - 06/14/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: chemiKalz]
#7045531 - 06/14/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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this is good too.
BRIGHT EYES LYRICS
"When The President Talks To God"
When the president talks to God Are the conversations brief or long? Does he ask to rape our women’s' rights And send poor farm kids off to die? Does God suggest an oil hike When the president talks to God?
When the president talks to God Are the consonants all hard or soft? Is he resolute all down the line? Is every issue black or white? Does what God say ever change his mind When the president talks to God?
When the president talks to God Does he fake that drawl or merely nod? Agree which convicts should be killed? Where prisons should be built and filled? Which voter fraud must be concealed When the president talks to God?
When the president talks to God I wonder which one plays the better cop We should find some jobs. the ghetto's broke No, they're lazy, George, I say we don't Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke That's what God recommends
When the president talks to God Do they drink near beer and go play golf While they pick which countries to invade Which Muslim souls still can be saved? I guess god just calls a spade a spade When the president talks to God
When the president talks to God Does he ever think that maybe he's not? That that voice is just inside his head When he kneels next to the presidential bed Does he ever smell his own bullshit When the president talks to God?
I doubt it
I doubt it
even though its bright eyes.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: greeniyedgirl]
#7045948 - 06/14/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Immortal Technique - Mos Def - DJ Green Lantern: Bush Knocked Down the Towers YouTube MP3
Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects It was you, nigga Tell the truth, nigga Bush knocked down the towers
I pledge no allegiance, nigga fuck the president's speeches I'm baptized by America and covered in leeches The dirty water that bleaches your soul and your facial features Drownin' you in propaganda that they spit through the speakers And if you speak about the evil that the government does The Patriot Act'll track you to the type of your blood They try to frame you, and say you was tryna sell drugs And throw a federal indictment on niggaz to show you love This shit is run by fake Christians, fake politicians Look at they mansions, then look at the conditions you live in All they talk about is terrorism on television They tell you to listen, but they don't really tell you they mission They funded Al-Qaeda, and now they blame the Muslim religion Even though Bin Laden, was a CIA tactician They gave him billions of dollars, and they funded his purpose Fahrenheit 9/11, that's just scratchin' the surface
They say the rebels in Iraq still fight for Saddam But that's bullshit, I'll show you why it's totally wrong Cuz if another country invaded the hood tonight It'd be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights I wouldn't be fightin' for Bush or White America's dream I'd be fightin' for my people's survival and self-esteem I wouldn't fight for racist churches from the south, my nigga I'd be fightin' to keep the occupation out, my nigga You ever clock someone who talk shit, or look at you wrong? Imagine if they shot at you, and was rapin' your moms And of course Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons We sold him that shit, after Ronald Reagan's election Mercenary contractors fightin' a new era Corporate military bankin' off the war on terror They controllin' the ghetto, with the failed attack Tryna distract the fact that they engineerin' the crack So I'm strapped like Lee Malvo holdin' a sniper rifle These bullets'll touch your kids, and I don't mean like Michael Your body be sent to the morgue, stripped down and recycled I fire on house niggaz that support you and like you Cuz innocent people get murdered in the struggle daily And poor people never get shit and struggle daily This ain't no alien conspiracy theory, this shit is real Written on the dollar underneath the Masonic seal
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: chemiKalz]
#7046051 - 06/14/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ahh--how Flattery by any other name smells just as sweet.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: xeallos]
#7046083 - 06/14/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think politics is a driver for deep passion to a lot of people-- why not musicians?
My only problem comes when metaphor and symbolism, which are powerful and universal messengers, are replaced with cheap, obvious jabs.
It's a lame shortcut taken by uninspired and lazy bandwagon-hoppers IMO. Even my favorite band/singer is guilty of this in a few of the songs from his recent album, Year Zero-- some of them are fucking amazing-- The Good Soldier, God Given, My Violent Heart... full of feeling and an awesome vibe... others are embarrassingly unimaginative and blatantly anti George W. Bush-- "Capital G" being the worst offender I think.
In 10 years people are going to listen to that song and think-- why did this guy waste his talent on bashing a single man when our entire way of life, and all of us, played a part in allowing what's happening today to happen. George W will be forgotten-- he's a bit player in American History, despite what the hyperventilating intelligentsia would have you believe. It is just lame-- think about the "Cold War" songs of the 80's-- they have 1/10th of the meaning that they once did... their shelf life is expired.
Now think about some of the anti-war songs of the 60's-- the ones that are still around are still here because they had a powerful message that didn't take opportunistic political jabs at individuals-- they made thoughtful and powerful observations on culture and society-- sentiments that are everlasting and always relevant.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: coAsTal]
#7046195 - 06/14/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: In 10 years people are going to listen to that song and think-- why did this guy waste his talent on bashing a single man when our entire way of life, and all of us, played a part in allowing what's happening today to happen. George W will be forgotten-- \
Bush is a symbol. The front man. Trashing him is symbolic. It may be temporary, but then again, so is everything in politics.
-------------------- "Both liberty and equality are among the primary goals pursued by human beings through many centuries; but total liberty for wolves is death to the lambs" -- Isaiah Berlin
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: coAsTal]
#7046221 - 06/14/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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In 10 years people are going to listen to that song and think-- why did this guy waste his talent on bashing a single man when our entire way of life, and all of us, played a part in allowing what's happening today to happen. George W will be forgotten-- he's a bit player in American History, despite what the hyperventilating intelligentsia would have you believe.
How about this song:
10.000 YEARS (PEACE IS NOW) ===========================
the world is burning down can't you smell the smoke in the air? war, disease, and famine this demon, she is everywhere
poets and preachers and politicians they've all had their say and we got 10,000 years devoted to nothing but tomorrow and yesterday
if all of the ignorance in the world passed a second ago what would you say? who would you obey? I am here to say that
peace is now
mr. president I hereby pardon you of all your crimes for they are just as much mine
selfishness and separation have led me to believe that the world is not my problem the world is not my problem I am the world and your are the world
if all the ignorance in the world passed a second ago what would you say? who would you obey? I am here to say that
peace is now
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Viveka]
#7046260 - 06/14/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Viveka said:
mr. president I hereby pardon you of all your crimes for they are just as much mine
No sorry, I didn't start a war that got over a 100,000 people killed on bad intel. Try again.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: FrenchSocialist]
#7046286 - 06/14/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I loved the beginning of Xzibit's 'Weapons of mass destruction' album.
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: FrenchSocialist]
#7046290 - 06/14/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you drive a car?
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Viveka]
#7046295 - 06/14/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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No.
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Viveka
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: FrenchSocialist]
#7046306 - 06/14/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pay taxes?
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FrenchSocialist
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Viveka]
#7046320 - 06/14/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Definitely.
-------------------- "Both liberty and equality are among the primary goals pursued by human beings through many centuries; but total liberty for wolves is death to the lambs" -- Isaiah Berlin
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Viveka
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: FrenchSocialist]
#7046342 - 06/14/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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See?
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FrenchSocialist
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Viveka]
#7046367 - 06/14/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Viveka said: See?
Oh yeah, just like if you buy pot you are supporting terrorism.
http://www.dpna.org/drugarticles/9drugs_terrorism.htm
" America's Drug Habit Funds Terrorism"
-------------------- "Both liberty and equality are among the primary goals pursued by human beings through many centuries; but total liberty for wolves is death to the lambs" -- Isaiah Berlin
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: FrenchSocialist]
#7046453 - 06/14/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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a british rap artist.. he knocks western society in general; not just the us.
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From the furthest point East to the wildest West Powers travelled round the planet on a bloody conquest European kings and priests with omnipotence Soldiers freakin out in foreign lands killing citizens And worse still spreading germs and plagues Now is so much a result of those bad old days From the town hall, to inner-city architecture From the money in Surrey to sweatshops up in Leicester Casino alcholics in the Mid-West, junkies in Brazil feel the effects of mass death The urge to learn killed by a greed for piles of gold And churches justifying lives being sold Though the culprits change, control rarely shifts Only China comes close to even f#@*^!g with this This world we call Earth and the system I dis A lifestyle full of work where we barely exist Look at Chile now - decimated native populations held down The rich, white powers holding on With British backing like Malaysia�s arms buying The same gang�s running the show And I�m trying to see through this and not become a lone hitman Out to kill that bitch Maggie Thatcher with a sick plan Sick bitch, supporting Pinochet in extradition On telly, she put my brain into a strange position So do you come to terms with devilish ways? Or do you try to escape, run away or start to pray ? I try to think about the positive things One Love, no queen, one god, no king
I wish I had the will to fight back Be at the World Trade Centre all dressed in black Me and an angry pack Instead I just rap and give back And see a rich life and think..I still want to live that It�s so subtle how they muddle us Now life is so complex we let the small things trouble us And revolution ? Forget that for the one fact We don�t have the arms to even try to compete It�s even easier to keep your head down and stay asleep And while you�re lying there counting see your face in them sheep And that�s deep but not as deep as losing a child, Seeing his teeth crushed by the rifle butt by your village hut Pure grief, thanks to far away beef Fried in messed-up religion half-baked in belief So I won�t stop rappimg till you get my drift That we�re held in the Grip getting sorely dissed Capitalists are we, we pretend we�re not Buying better trainers each year, connecting dots We go from first job to next job, to mortgage to kids Make it harder to be happy 9-to-5in� to live Me I�m striving to give but I�ll hustle like mad Just to get ahead in life I need money so bad, yeah I�m pissed now So do you get my gist now ? If hell existed, half the world�s already in the lift down�..
In the Grip�
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Viveka
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: FrenchSocialist]
#7046454 - 06/14/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Right. Actually I know exactly where my pot is grown, and it's not by TERRISTS or people who directly fund them. But the people who grow the pot I smoke are complicit, as are you and I, in perpetuating the status quo of the United States, its government and it's foreign policy, so long as we function and thrive within the machinations of this system.
And if I was purchasing large quantities of heroin, you bet I'd wonder how my actions might ultimately contribute to a state of affairs that it would be all too convenient to simply "Blame Bush" or some other scapegoat for. Every action we take has implication. If i was to buy a gram of black tar from a spooky guy downtown is that incident somehow insulated from the phenomenon of black market drug proliferation or the world at large? Do you honestly believe war in the middle east has nothing to do with you, that you are in no way complicit?
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FrenchSocialist
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Viveka]
#7046488 - 06/14/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Viveka said: Right. Actually I know exactly where my pot is grown, and it's not by TERRISTS or people who directly fund them. But the people who grow the pot I smoke are complicit, as are you and I, in perpetuating the status quo of the United States, its government and it's foreign policy, so long as we function and thrive within the machinations of this system.
So wait, you're saying if I buy pot from a dealer I support terrorism? Give me a break.
-------------------- "Both liberty and equality are among the primary goals pursued by human beings through many centuries; but total liberty for wolves is death to the lambs" -- Isaiah Berlin
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Viveka
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: FrenchSocialist]
#7046550 - 06/14/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, the point is not about buying pot, it's about the fact that living in the US, under the conditions required of you in order to live here, contributes to the state of the world at large, whether you are growing pot, potatoes, kids, not growing anything at all, it doesn't matter. I'm suggesting it should be considered how every single one of our actions, or non-actions, affects the world.
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FrenchSocialist
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Viveka]
#7046633 - 06/14/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Viveka said: No, the point is not about buying pot, it's about the fact that living in the US, under the conditions required of you in order to live here, contributes to the state of the world at large, whether you are growing pot, potatoes, kids, not growing anything at all, it doesn't matter. I'm suggesting it should be considered how every single one of our actions, or non-actions, affects the world.
I think you are ignoring matters of degree. I contribute mere pennies to Bush, under threat of imprisonment, and I actively speak against him. I think that distances me.
Seriously, saying I'm as bad as Bush because I pay taxes is like saying I'm as bad as a child molester because I pay taxes which go to prisons. The contribution is so indirect and countered by personal action as to be irrelevant.
-------------------- "Both liberty and equality are among the primary goals pursued by human beings through many centuries; but total liberty for wolves is death to the lambs" -- Isaiah Berlin
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: CureCat]
#7046867 - 06/14/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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i dont like when music and politics mix. nothing wrong with musicians playing at rallies or demonstrations or whatever, or having lyrics about society, but when they start singing about specific people, parties, or the like, that's when it crosses the line and i want nothing to do with it. music to me is something that makes me happy, makes me think, not something that should shove propaganda down my throat.
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rubixcubies
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: nightkrawler]
#7046986 - 06/14/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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in the next century everyone will be comparing the terrible deeds commited by whoever to george w bush. and everyone will be like can you believe we used to (insertwhatever) how barbaric....
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RandalFlagg
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: CureCat]
#7047014 - 06/14/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm going to name drop here:
Trent Reznor is from a town very near my hometown. I am good friends with a guy whose family is friends with the Reznor family. Trent used to come over to their house all of the time. Also, Trent's dad is in a band with my friend's dad.
Small world.
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Middleman
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: nightkrawler]
#7048583 - 06/15/07 04:57 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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nightkrawler said: i dont like when music and politics mix. nothing wrong with musicians playing at rallies or demonstrations or whatever, or having lyrics about society, but when they start singing about specific people, parties, or the like, that's when it crosses the line and i want nothing to do with it. music to me is something that makes me happy, makes me think, not something that should shove propaganda down my throat.
Right on, and what's the point of hatin' on a puppet? Even Ron Paul is a puppet for the same hands.
Wake up people....
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Blend
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Re: popular music trashing US president.... I'm down. [Re: Middleman]
#7048631 - 06/15/07 05:49 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Middleman said: ...Ron Paul is a puppet for the same hands.
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