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OfflineLarrythescaryrex
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Good books on demonology?
    #691470 - 06/20/02 07:29 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

can anyone suggest any good books on demonology. it need not be from a christian view point either....

No body suggest the necronomicon.


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verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
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relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #691781 - 06/21/02 03:44 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

MALLEUS MALIFICARUM - Montague Summers
DAEMONOLATRIAE - Nicolas Remy

I have others in mind but the titles escape me and my library is all packed away but I will dig a few out and forward them on to you. But hey guy, don't sell the Necronomicon short! I assume you've read the Wilson/Hay edition - ostensibly a hoax but so scholarly you'd be hard pressed to tell! Not like that Avon edition of the Black Book - the Avonicom... hahahahahaa!

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #691904 - 06/21/02 05:20 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

"Good Books on Demonology" seems completely oxymoronic...nevertheless,
I Enoch describes the Watchers, or fallen angels and their illicit affairs among humans (intercourse with women, producing 'giants;' teaching women the 'enchanting' use of cosmetics; teaching men to construct weapons) really just inculcating the human race with excesses of sex and violence. Also the Book of Tobit addresses the demon-of-lust Asmodeus. Both books belong to Old Testament Pseudepigrapha. These are ancient sources, not 19th century compilations of medieval grimoires like A.E. Waite's 'Book of Ceremonial Magic,' or his 'Book of Pacts.' Of course, these are not, nor do I advocate attempts at demonic evocation, or worse, invocation. I do not want any more evil assholes in MY neighborhood!


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #692118 - 06/21/02 07:32 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I will admit that I have considered evocation.... Just to see if I could pull it off. That is probably the WORST reason to do it though.


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

Edited by Larrythescaryrex (06/22/02 04:42 PM)

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #692495 - 06/21/02 11:12 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Just avoid that shit alltogether. If you need a favour, ask the mafia.


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Revelation]
    #692617 - 06/21/02 12:27 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

care to elaborate on that, rev? I have like no really experiance with this sort of thing and the people that do never seem to want to talk about it.



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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #692622 - 06/21/02 12:32 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I don't have any experience with it either...but I just don't see the appeal...


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Revelation]
    #692625 - 06/21/02 12:36 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I guess the appeal for me is to see how real it is.


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #693504 - 06/22/02 01:24 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Plays havoc with property values


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #693505 - 06/22/02 01:29 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I think THAT reason(if in fact it really does represent your most inwardly honest intent) is a lot better than doing it with malice or with the desire to use the invocation for some truly malignant and nefarious purpose........just my honest opinion there


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Revelation]
    #693598 - 06/22/02 04:42 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Revelation
Why to deny one side of the medal?

"Demons" or "Angels" are just names, given by men. Names for powers that surround us and keep the universe moving. As I became a shaman, I had to change my (allmost Christian) view upon "good" and "bad".
Now I' m conscious that everything has it' s oposite and is looking for a balance. Just that, nothing to fear!
Demons are good for horror movies.
Angels are good for esoteric dreamers
I am surrounded by spirits


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: the_Landotter]
    #693795 - 06/22/02 08:02 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

After looking at it, the publisher of my copy is indeed avon.


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Ini]
    #694010 - 06/22/02 10:00 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

the only spirits I'm aware of are the ones you drink.... all these demons and angels are a creation of our thought. We blame bad things on 'evil spirits' or demons and when we are lucky we say an angel was watching over us. why must we think there are higher powers over us?


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: chodamunky]
    #694041 - 06/22/02 10:23 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

If this is your conviction... Nobody MUST think there is a higher power above him. Some people (like me p. a.) feel the presence of spirits. But I cannot furnish a proof for their existence or show them to others. Maybe they are really only a creation of my thoughts, but a thought is also something that exists.

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: chodamunky]
    #694596 - 06/22/02 03:45 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Hell, I don't feel that demons or angels are higher than us, only differant. I guess perhaps what I should have said was any good books on evocation? but I said demonology because my interest is more towards the negative aspects than the positive or even neutral aspects of it.


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

Edited by Larrythescaryrex (06/22/02 04:42 PM)

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #698356 - 06/24/02 12:43 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I see that you have written that your location is Hell. If that is not Hell, Michigan, then locating the denizens of Hell should be simple. It is a simple matter to Invoke evil. Any child can do it. Simply lie. Perpetrate acts of unkindness, cruelty, bigotry, hatred. This requires grimoires and ritual items? No. This is the nature of the beings you wish to see about you? Why? Do you think by becoming evil you become immune to the evil that others will exact upon you? Does the world seem evil and you want to be on the apparently winning side?

Do you think that Evocation of an evil presence to a 'safe' distance is an interesting phenomenon? Then why assume it has to be a purely invisible presence? Visit a prison, or a hospital for the criminally insane. I have visited both places. Goethe has Mephistopheles walk into Faust's room through a door rather than 'materialize' outside the Circle in the Triangle of the Art. He knew something about evil on the human plane, that Goethe.

Are you not afraid to 'walk in the valley of the shadow of death,' because YOU are the meanest son-of-a-bitch in the valley, or because you have a 'helmet of righteousness,' a 'breastplate of faith,' and the 'Word of God, like a two-edged sword' to protect you? What dost thou seekest, thou Larrythescaryrex? Do you find yourself fascinated by horror films? Are you sadomasochistic? Did your mother have a toxic womb or a difficult birthing of you? These are rhetorical questions - no answers expected. But the last three questions may well determine the 'place' you find yourself in when you leave the body (temporarily or finally). Just remember...YOU are not the Master of Hell.


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #698561 - 06/24/02 03:12 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

MMM....

I don't know if I believe in "evil" or the evilness of demons. I certainly don't believe anyting is 100% evil.


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #698806 - 06/24/02 05:37 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Know evil, believe Only in God.


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: chodamunky]
    #699494 - 06/25/02 12:06 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

all these demons and angels are a creation of our thought.

If they are created by our thoughts, then they are quite real, aren't they? I mean, the fundamental question is: If something has real effects, can it still be an illusion? It's like people who tell me that the christian God does not exist; yet how can you argue that something does not exist when thousands after thousands of people have died a cruel and miserable death because of it? Something which is able to kill people must indeed be very real - regardless of the source it springs from, be it a human mind or something else.

Remember that people have talked to demons and ghosts for a far longer time in history than they didn't. It was not until very recently that the world turned quite and the voices disappeared.

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Nomad]
    #699683 - 06/25/02 05:14 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

If they are created by our thoughts, then they are quite real, aren't they?

No!


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Swami]
    #699720 - 06/25/02 05:54 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I read in a introduction to the Key of Solomon that science tried to explain it as thus:

The chants cause certain vibrations in your brain, combine that with the "demonic" sigils that visually stimulate the brain, and the end result is that a particular part of the brain is turned on thus producing differant effects.

swami, you can't just say no. explain your stance.


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #699726 - 06/25/02 06:01 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

swami, you can't just say no. explain your stance.

No!



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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Nomad]
    #700299 - 06/25/02 11:00 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

It's like people who tell me that the christian God does not exist; yet how can you argue that something does not exist when thousands after thousands of people have died a cruel and miserable death because of it?

No god ever killed anybody, it was the thousand morons on the grassy knoll.
A thousand morons raping and slaughtering a town are the only ones responsible for the act. Their belief in some God of rape and slaughter only served to keep them from blaming themselves... "God commanded us to do it, so we did it." "God isn't wrong, so we weren't wrong.... but if God was wrong, we still didn't know it at the time."


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Sclorch]
    #702062 - 06/25/02 11:55 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

No god ever killed anybody, it was the thousand morons on the grassy knoll. A thousand morons raping and slaughtering a town are the only ones responsible for the act. Their belief in some God of rape and slaughter only served to keep them from blaming themselves...

In other words, you think that the crusades would have happened the same way if the belief in god would not have existed at the time?

That's quite controversial.

If you disagree with the above statement, then one can safely assume that the idea of the christian god bears at least some of the responsibility for the slaughter. In other words, the christian god is something which kills people.

Everything else is interpretation. You can, of course, still argue that this entity is not "real".

But I, for my part, choose to consider something which is able to kill me as real.

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Nomad]
    #706167 - 06/27/02 04:52 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

No god ever killed anybody, it was the thousand morons on the grassy knoll. A thousand morons raping and slaughtering a town are the only ones responsible for the act. Their belief in some God of rape and slaughter only served to keep them from blaming themselves...

If you disagree with the above statement, then one can safely assume that the idea of the christian god bears at least some of the responsibility for the slaughter. In other words, the christian god is something which kills people.

The christian God is something that has been a catalyst/excuse/reason for numerous murders throughout the ages. I've yet to read about an actual incident where some higher being came down and killed someone, excluding fairy tales(ie the bible), myths(ie the bible) and religious folk lore(ie the bible). If my girlfriend sleeps around with some guy, I find out about it and then kill the bastard, the act of those two fucking didn't kill him. It was me responding/acting on that which led to destruction and death. If there were no idea of a christian God, the crusades probably would have turned out differently. That doesn't detract from the fact that the christian God has yet to kill one person(at least known to me).

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Danimal]
    #706213 - 06/27/02 05:16 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Nomad- What a shitty argument you've got going on there.... amazingly shitty. It's almost brilliantly shitty... not quite brilliant, but definitely worth more than it's weight in shit.

Danimal- good job. Not for agreeing with me (more or less), but for scraping your boot off at the door.


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Nomad]
    #707488 - 06/28/02 08:33 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

Remember that people have talked to demons and ghosts for a far longer time in history than they didn't. It was not until very recently that the world turned quite and the voices disappeared. Nomad




Why do you think that after thousands of years these "powerful voices" talked to people then we come around (our age and time) they become quiet and you don't hear about it, i've never really understand because you always read about spirits and all that religious stuff happening all the time, now days you never hear about it. i just wanted to see what your guy's thoughts/knowledge on this is.

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #709081 - 06/28/02 07:07 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Larry, it seems that you have a better idea of what invocation is than most people. I wouldnt limit yourself merely to studies of demonology, however. The intonation or vibration of god-names has been a key part of ritual for a long time. The idea is that by shouting or screaming the names of certain gods that strike a feeling of awe in your heart, you can stimulate the sympathetic nervous system and achieve an alteration in conciousness. While "evil" invocation is more powerful and awe inspiring, "good" invocation has a purity that cannot be achieved otherwise. If done with a pure heart, neither is harmful.

As far as books are concerned, there has been much written but it is hard to tell what is actually authentic. The books that are not authentic are sometimes just as useful but there has also been alot of crap written on the subject. My suggestion would be to start by reading some of Israel Regardie's work because he was one of the more prominant figures to break the oath of silance and publish esoteric documents from religious orders. He was also a student of Crowley.


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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Catalysis]
    #711387 - 06/29/02 03:41 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

thanks man


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #712590 - 06/30/02 05:07 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Leave it alone. Study and PRACTICE QBL for 10 years then try it. If you are a total beginner it can only end up as you being the possessed devotee of the demon. Lon Milo once described how a friend merely touched a seal LM had used in an evocation and he became obsessed with the demon.

Wicca is good for beginners. 4 years and your grand poobah.

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