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 Larrythescaryrex
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 Re: Good books on demonology?  [Re: Swami]
#699720 - 06/25/02 05:54 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read in a introduction to the Key of Solomon that science tried to explain it as thus:
The chants cause certain vibrations in your brain, combine that with the "demonic" sigils that visually stimulate the brain, and the end result is that a particular part of the brain is turned on thus producing differant effects.
swami, you can't just say no. explain your stance.
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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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 Swami
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swami, you can't just say no. explain your stance.
No!
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Sclorch
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 Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Nomad]
#700299 - 06/25/02 11:00 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's like people who tell me that the christian God does not exist; yet how can you argue that something does not exist when thousands after thousands of people have died a cruel and miserable death because of it?
No god ever killed anybody, it was the thousand morons on the grassy knoll.
A thousand morons raping and slaughtering a town are the only ones responsible for the act. Their belief in some God of rape and slaughter only served to keep them from blaming themselves... "God commanded us to do it, so we did it." "God isn't wrong, so we weren't wrong.... but if God was wrong, we still didn't know it at the time."
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Nomad
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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Sclorch]
#702062 - 06/25/02 11:55 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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No god ever killed anybody, it was the thousand morons on the grassy knoll. A thousand morons raping and slaughtering a town are the only ones responsible for the act. Their belief in some God of rape and slaughter only served to keep them from blaming themselves...
In other words, you think that the crusades would have happened the same way if the belief in god would not have existed at the time?
That's quite controversial.
If you disagree with the above statement, then one can safely assume that the idea of the christian god bears at least some of the responsibility for the slaughter. In other words, the christian god is something which kills people.
Everything else is interpretation. You can, of course, still argue that this entity is not "real".
But I, for my part, choose to consider something which is able to kill me as real.
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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Nomad]
#706167 - 06/27/02 04:52 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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No god ever killed anybody, it was the thousand morons on the grassy knoll. A thousand morons raping and slaughtering a town are the only ones responsible for the act. Their belief in some God of rape and slaughter only served to keep them from blaming themselves...
If you disagree with the above statement, then one can safely assume that the idea of the christian god bears at least some of the responsibility for the slaughter. In other words, the christian god is something which kills people.
The christian God is something that has been a catalyst/excuse/reason for numerous murders throughout the ages. I've yet to read about an actual incident where some higher being came down and killed someone, excluding fairy tales(ie the bible), myths(ie the bible) and religious folk lore(ie the bible). If my girlfriend sleeps around with some guy, I find out about it and then kill the bastard, the act of those two fucking didn't kill him. It was me responding/acting on that which led to destruction and death. If there were no idea of a christian God, the crusades probably would have turned out differently. That doesn't detract from the fact that the christian God has yet to kill one person(at least known to me).
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Sclorch
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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Danimal]
#706213 - 06/27/02 05:16 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nomad- What a shitty argument you've got going on there.... amazingly shitty. It's almost brilliantly shitty... not quite brilliant, but definitely worth more than it's weight in shit.
Danimal- good job. Not for agreeing with me (more or less), but for scraping your boot off at the door.
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shroominsmurf
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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Nomad]
#707488 - 06/28/02 08:33 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Remember that people have talked to demons and ghosts for a far longer time in history than they didn't. It was not until very recently that the world turned quite and the voices disappeared. Nomad
Why do you think that after thousands of years these "powerful voices" talked to people then we come around (our age and time) they become quiet and you don't hear about it, i've never really understand because you always read about spirits and all that religious stuff happening all the time, now days you never hear about it. i just wanted to see what your guy's thoughts/knowledge on this is.
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Catalysis
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Larry, it seems that you have a better idea of what invocation is than most people. I wouldnt limit yourself merely to studies of demonology, however. The intonation or vibration of god-names has been a key part of ritual for a long time. The idea is that by shouting or screaming the names of certain gods that strike a feeling of awe in your heart, you can stimulate the sympathetic nervous system and achieve an alteration in conciousness. While "evil" invocation is more powerful and awe inspiring, "good" invocation has a purity that cannot be achieved otherwise. If done with a pure heart, neither is harmful.
As far as books are concerned, there has been much written but it is hard to tell what is actually authentic. The books that are not authentic are sometimes just as useful but there has also been alot of crap written on the subject. My suggestion would be to start by reading some of Israel Regardie's work because he was one of the more prominant figures to break the oath of silance and publish esoteric documents from religious orders. He was also a student of Crowley.
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Larrythescaryrex
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Re: Good books on demonology? [Re: Catalysis]
#711387 - 06/29/02 03:41 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks man
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RIP Acidic_Sloth
Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011
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EvilBastard
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Leave it alone. Study and PRACTICE QBL for 10 years then try it. If you are a total beginner it can only end up as you being the possessed devotee of the demon. Lon Milo once described how a friend merely touched a seal LM had used in an evocation and he became obsessed with the demon.
Wicca is good for beginners. 4 years and your grand poobah.
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