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Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!!
    #6913970 - 05/14/07 12:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey shroomerite's I was lookin at the topia to see what was new and I saw this http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=21681 if this tek really works I think this could revolutionize mycology. I'am going to try it out soon for myself to see if it's real because if it is then it most likely going to make pc's obsolete. Am I correct on this assumption?


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Re: Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #6913988 - 05/14/07 12:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'll stick to my PC, I paid $50 for an 18qt PC and I know it will last me a lot longer than $50 worth of dish soap would.


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Re: Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!! [Re: joedonbaker]
    #6914023 - 05/14/07 12:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've been recommending pre-soaking straw in dish soap for a long time, prior to pasteurization. However, when it comes to grains, it is no replacement for a pressure cooker. Soak grains to hydrate them, and then pressure cook.
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Re: Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!! [Re: joedonbaker]
    #6914038 - 05/14/07 12:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I found a source for 100% salicylic acid crystals, 1/4 OZ. for $20 or 2 OZ for $28.80.

Since most wart removers are 17% strength, it looks like a good deal as a source for a highly concentrated form. The average price for the 17% strength is around $7.00 for 1/3 OZ (9.45 grams). It would take 4.4 bottles (meaning you have to buy 5) of 17% to get as much salicylic acid as the 1/4 OZ (~7 grams) bottle of 100%. That would cost $35 instead of the $20 for the pure crystals, plus saving the hassle of it being mixed with a bunch of other crap. A bottle of soap is cheaper, but has much less Salicylic acid in it.

Anyhow, here's the links (they are to a beauty-supply company):

1/4 OZ @ 100% for $20.00 http://www.queenbeesauce.com/index.p...products_id=14

BIG 2 OZ jar of 100% for $28.80 (on sale right now) http://www.queenbeesauce.com/index.p...roducts_id=122

The 2 OZ jar has as much salicylic acid as 35 bottles of 17%, saving over $216 when compared to the wart-remover and skin peel products. These antibacterial soaps have around 1%-2% max salicylic acid in them, so the 2 OZ jar has as much of it as about 5 bottles of dish soap (assuming 750 mL of 1.5% soap working out to about 11 grams of salicylic acid per bottle . I made several assumptions that may be wrong since I wasn't sure if the percentage in the soap was by weight or volume). Also, the 100% is a dry crystal and the soap and wart removers are in liquid form, and I'm not sure how the two forms compare so I might be way off in my interpretations.

If my analysis is correct it's a lot cheaper to go with the soap, BUT these pure crystals are the best deal (and the only one I found) on 100% strength for testing the concept without any other variables present.

And one more thing: These numbers mean those wart removers and skin peels are major ripoffs!


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Re: Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #6914051 - 05/14/07 12:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The above is not coming from me but from a post later on in the thread. "However, when it comes to grains, it is no replacement for a pressure cooker." is this because of the price of the soap or do you think it will not work?


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Re: Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #6914123 - 05/14/07 12:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've soaked wbs in h2o2/water(1:10-1:5) for over 24 hours then tried to cook them using staggered boiling, jars still got major bacterial contamination. Those endospores are hardy little fucks.


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Re: Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!! [Re: K1wI]
    #6914208 - 05/14/07 01:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

my advice, listen to RR. Nothing good comes of skipping steps. This process requires patience and doing things correctly.

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Re: Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!! [Re: djaxx06]
    #6914270 - 05/14/07 01:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I for one don't want to eat wart remover, and antibacterial soap doesn't kill all bacteria.

It's extremely easy to PC grains prior to use, and if soaked before in order to hydrate the endospores, they will be killed in the PC whether or not they have germinated. Dry endospores can withstand a lot of abuse, including chemical and heat. However, once they've been hydrated, they become susceptible and can be nuked in the pressure cooker.
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Re: Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!! [Re: RogerRabbit] * 1
    #6914767 - 05/14/07 02:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I for one don't want to eat wart remover, and antibacterial soap doesn't kill all bacteria.

It's extremely easy to PC grains prior to use, and if soaked before in order to hydrate the endospores, they will be killed in the PC whether or not they have germinated. Dry endospores can withstand a lot of abuse, including chemical and heat. However, once they've been hydrated, they become susceptible and can be nuked in the pressure cooker.
RR




Lol I know but it's just salicylic acid and it's non toxic so who care's if it's for removing nasty worts. Also the point is isn't that it's easier than a pc it's also just a tek for people without pc's. And apparently the endospore's can't wistand this chemical. Anyway's I think it's atleast something to look into RR i'll try it and get back to everyone with the results. This could def help the noobie's out there.


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Re: Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #6914807 - 05/14/07 03:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There's never gonna be a need to replace PC's / autoclaves in this hobby. They ain't some crazy piece of equipment or anything...anyone can use it NP.

Please do tell us if it works for you, though, as that'd be cool!

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Re: Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #27005586 - 10/27/20 12:57 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

What about tea tree oil or garlic?  If you are looking for salicylic acid, it can be derived from willow bark and a few other plant sources.

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Re: Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment!!!! [Re: Sleepingstar]
    #27005704 - 10/27/20 04:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

This thread died 13 years ago for a good reason. You have to PC your grain. If you don't have a PC then do
PF-Tek and your chance for success will be 1000x higher than trying to sterilize grain with nonsense.

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