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Invisibleralphroks
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low RH in FC?
    #6906354 - 05/12/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Theres a fine line to walk between RH and FAE. The problem compounds itself with low ambient humidity(the RH of your house); making it almost impossible to provide enough RH Without loss in FAE or vice versa. Even with optimum water content in the FC. Living in hot dry climates means having to maintain your FC constantly with water introduction through frequent misting or extra water; and means having to skimp on FAE to achieve humidity or vice versa and still its not perfect; even with all your time and energy you`d have to sleep. Misting and fanning and correcting water loss properly constantly is a pain. this isnt optimal and sucks if your forced there.

If your house was 70*f and 100RH you could take the FC away and the only worry would be contam. Regular humidifiers produce hot steam raising temp. Cool mists can be costly on a budget; This seems like an expensive luxury; when we can evap. water on the cheap.
Fish tanks in your house and or potted plants both produce humidity and are multi-functional, plants would even produce oxygen. You could easily raise your ambient RH to acceptable fruiting levels and be able to open air the FC. This area will now be much more mold friendly; but thats the problem with too much RH, Add or remove Humidity to preference; fully cultured material is hard to contam. but everything else is fair game for mold now. Indoor hydroponics tech. should be able to help mold proof for high RH from hydro setups. build your house underground; whatever climate your good to go; thats impractical.

Used fish-tanks are cheep and abundant. broken tanks need a cut piece
of glass; fish tank sealant(silicone caulk)and epoxy to reglue the frame after you pull that side off to replace the glass. Fairly simple
cutting glass is more like scoring it and then tapping it. ask the hardware store helpers for help. I suggest adding salt or algae killer
products to the water to prevent growths.Comet Gold fish are a quarter each. Good luck.


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Re: low RH in FC? [Re: ralphroks]
    #6906362 - 05/12/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

try using an air tight FC and keep FAE up.


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Re: low RH in FC? [Re: LayYouIn]
    #6906668 - 05/12/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

That would work but its not optimum. That means 8 hrs of no FAE, unless
you config. yur bubbler FAE correctly but thats far from airtight. Misting and fanning constantly is a pain and can abort pins if water is too fat of droplets; regulating dampness can lead to mistakes like pooled water at the bottom of FC sitting for more than 24hrs unperoxidated. Hardly set it and forget it. Although if you have to sacrifice 1 for the other make it FAE like you said. long stemmed mushrooms are better than nothing. And humidifying is a risk of mold. Personal preference based on liberalism and conservatism and expectations. Either way..This way is for FAE and mold liberals


Oh and fish-tank humidifying works best with FAE and no lid to prevent condensation. watch gallons of water disappear or get a small plant to gain a few RH points in yur favor; without skyrocketing mold counts..tuning this is individually specific to climate and how drafty your house and how big the room, and how far you would like to push it.
how far the lid is over the fish tank and how often the plant is watered can dial in on ambient RH.


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Re: low RH in FC? [Re: ralphroks]
    #6906678 - 05/12/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

If your house was 70*f and 100RH you could take the FC away and the only worry would be contam. lol you would need a plastic house unless you like molds and what not growing around probably be lots of bugs around too.


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Re: low RH in FC? [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #6906703 - 05/12/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I have no idea what you're trying to say in your posts ralph. How many humidity threads do you need to simply build a terrarium with three to five inches of well drained perlite in it? That will provide 99% humidity, provided you drill holes in all six sides as suggested. I have explained the physics behind it so many times already, I'm not going to type it all over again.

Cool mist humidifiers cost from $15 to $35 brand new, and a fraction of that at thrift shops. If necessary, run one in the room your fruiting chamber is located in. Right now, the ambient humidity in my house is 11% and my FC is at 98%, using only perlite and 1/4" holes drilled into all six sides. I fail to see why you're having so much trouble.
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Re: low RH in FC? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6906710 - 05/12/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

rr was great enough to answer my questions on this matter you can look at my posts or search with rr's name and his posts are always helpful


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Re: low RH in FC? [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #6912633 - 05/14/07 03:00 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

$70 basic-$350 for one that cleans your air; and humidity dial..the basic was crappy.

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Right now, the ambient humidity in my house is 11% and my FC is at 98%, using only perlite and 1/4" holes drilled into all six sides.I fail to see why you're having so much trouble.How many humidity threads do you need


Holes at the bottom? the top is sealed tight? Humidity tends to escape through the top; obviously this is a sealed system RR; your system builds humidity until it rains in the tub. also the addition of a FAE bubbler helps RH exchange. I think I`ve exhausted the subject..maybe I should retitle the post "cheap coolmist+ how to fix your glass FC" or "Poor man`s greenhouse".

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3815777#3815777


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Re: low RH in FC? [Re: ralphroks]
    #6912662 - 05/14/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Holes at the bottom? -yes that is correct
the top is sealed tight? yes but also has holes going through it

Humidity tends to escape through the top; obviously this is a sealed system RR -this isnt sealed since it has holes going though it on all six sides


your system builds humidity until it rains in the tub -ummm i have no idea what you mean by this rains in the tub? it builds humidity yes but then gets exhausted through the holes

also the addition of a FAE bubbler helps RH exchange- yes but so do holes and are alot simpler

I think I`ve exhausted the subject.. - probably

maybe I should retitle the post "cheap coolmist+ how to fix your glass FC" or "Poor man`s greenhouse".
- those have been talked about alot in the past few years do a search no reason to make a thread about it


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Re: low RH in FC? [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #6913370 - 05/14/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Holes at the bottom? the top is sealed tight? Humidity tends to escape through the top; obviously this is a sealed system RR




I've posted at least fifty times how to build a terraium like I use, including pictures of it in operation, and the theory behind the system and how it works. It has holes drilled into ALL SIX SIDES and is NOT a sealed system. It appears you're not just challenged by basic physics, but reading comprehension as well. No terrarium should EVER rain down, and anything with holes in it is NOT sealed. Stop posting and read for a change. If you're not interested in reading to learn, then we can't help you.
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