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Anonymous

This is NOT good
    #691243 - 06/20/02 07:50 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

defense dept today filed a scathing document (or something) basically saying that if the president declares someone an "enemy combatant" they do not have the right to legal counsel nor can the judicial system intervene on their behalf. additionally, the president can declare basically anyone he wants an "enemy combatant" and it will not be questioned.

does this not scare the SHIT out of you?? what basis does this have within the framework provided by the constitution??

without a doubt, i'm getting my degree and getting myself to canadia...


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: ]
    #691293 - 06/20/02 08:07 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

come to BC....very beautiful


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: ]
    #691312 - 06/20/02 08:14 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

To be able to declare someone an enemy combatent for no reason is clearly wrong. If George starts declaring ramdom people that look at him funny enemy combatents then this will not be tolerated for long.

But, how about if the person is an enemy combatent in a foreign army fighting American boys? Well, the supreme court has ruled several times that the constitution prohibits automatic expatriation. That is , congress cannot provide for the involuntary loss of citizenship for somthing that he or she has done- for example commiting a crime, voting in a foreign election, or serving in the armed forces of another country.

This doesn't concern me though. The only way I'de ever fight in a war against America would be if we went to war with Israel, in which case I would fight on behalf of Israel and also publically renounce my citizenship.


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #691732 - 06/21/02 04:37 AM (15 years, 10 days ago)

I'm really getting tired of the United States shit... I think I'll be moving to Canada in a few years. I really don't want to grow up here.


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: nezshoo]
    #691746 - 06/21/02 04:52 AM (15 years, 10 days ago)

I dont know how old you are but you better move before you get drafted and have to go fight Arabs........you never know with that coke head bush in charge.


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: ]
    #692553 - 06/21/02 01:40 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

This is so wrong. First that shit with the FBI and now this.


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: Revelation]
    #692596 - 06/21/02 02:14 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

Scary days indeed...although living in Canada wouldn't provide much protection either...if you are labelled as an "enemy combatant" The U.S. would petition to have you extradited back to the U.S....Scary days indeed...


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: ]
    #692876 - 06/21/02 05:27 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

Did you read about how he had some of the graduating class @ some ohio school wher he gave a speach expelled for turning his back on him in political protest?
Well not by his direct word, but who else would have the balls?


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: Anonymous]
    #692892 - 06/21/02 05:34 PM (15 years, 10 days ago)

If I was in school and willing to get expeled for messing with the President I think I'de poop in my hand and throw it at him. Go ape shit man, lol.


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: ]
    #696460 - 06/23/02 04:22 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

hells bells, i am with ya peachman. as soon as i get my masters i am heading to canada too. i cant wait to try some of that northern weed!


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: ]
    #696902 - 06/23/02 08:02 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

scares me indeed.....if it's true that is


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Edited by Innvertigo (06/23/02 08:03 PM)


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: Innvertigo]
    #696917 - 06/23/02 08:10 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

it was all over msnbc, bbc, cnn, npr for about a day, then mysteriously, they stopped talking about it. alan keyes freaked out over it.


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: ]
    #697017 - 06/23/02 08:48 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Come on, don't be paranoid..this is for anti-terrorism! If this was ever misused, the Supreme Court would certainly have something to say about it.

Anyway if I'm wrong and I need to leave country, I'll be heading to Amsterdam instead of Canada!


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: kwisatz]
    #697651 - 06/24/02 07:20 AM (15 years, 7 days ago)

kwisatz wrote:
"Come on, don't be paranoid..this is for anti-terrorism! If this was ever misused, the Supreme Court would certainly have something to say about it."

Potential dictators love people like you. If you believe this you are being played like a fiddle, along with the rest of the trusting sheep. Read some history about the rise of the Third Reich. This is the beginning of tyranny.


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: ]
    #697700 - 06/24/02 08:27 AM (15 years, 7 days ago)

I'm finding myself believe more of these types of things everyday. I'm not a conspiracy nut and don't believe about 75% of what some people say but this is scary. Does this remind you of a country a few decades back?


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: Innvertigo]
    #697731 - 06/24/02 08:55 AM (15 years, 7 days ago)

That's okay Invertigo...I still have the spare tin foil hat you lent me if you need it back.....


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: ]
    #697747 - 06/24/02 09:05 AM (15 years, 7 days ago)

The worse is that no one will know you exist, where you are, and sure as hell they will be torturing you.


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Re: This is NOT good [Re: ]
    #698250 - 06/24/02 01:34 PM (15 years, 7 days ago)

In reply to:

Potential dictators love people like you. If you believe this you are being played like a fiddle, along with the rest of the trusting sheep. Read some history about the rise of the Third Reich. This is the beginning of tyranny.




I just believe that the enemy combatant principles have been around for a very long time, they have been used before in other wars...this is not new, and it hasn't led to a collapse in our justice system before. In war, you don't bring back all your enemies and put them through your court system. That would be ridiculous.

Believe me, I would be the first to complain vehemently if I thought citizens were being treated this way just to get around the judicial system.


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