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    #6906257 - 05/12/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

folks..

just recently grew some B+ on BRF cakes.. harvested them shortly after the veil broke and the cap umbrellaed. Dried them via food dehydrator at 95 degrees. Took them out and stored them.. then a day later i realized that they were still a bit squishy. So in an attempt to dry them to hardness, i re dehydrated at 95 untill they were crisp.

I recently consumed about 4-5 small mushrooms dried and nothing. (thanks to my low tolerance, that dosage would put me through the roof) I assume now that there is a potency issue. Where did i go wrong?

my assumptions:

1. food dehydrator (too much heat in such a short amount of time)
2. harvesting too late?
3. substrate mixture? BRF and Verm.

ANy thoughts>?

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Re: potentcy [Re: lapflounder]
    #6906276 - 05/12/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

it could have just been a bad patch, assuming you used multi spore injection. maybe try to use a desiccant next time you dry.

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Re: potentcy [Re: lapflounder]
    #6906302 - 05/12/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry to hear about the low potency.

The heat could have reduced the potency as the active components may have been degraded by the temperature. To combat this I would recommend drying by placing them in front of a fan (no heat). They will take longer to dry, but you've put in this much work and patience so you shouldn't have a problem waiting a few more days.

While harvesting a little after the veil breaks may cause a slightly less potent product, it really shouldn't make that much of a difference.

BRF should not affect potency unless you use store bought processed rice instead of all natural (try a health food store to get natural brown rice).

If that doesn't help eat more of em!


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Re: potentcy [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #6906740 - 05/12/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Potency is genetic, but four or five small mushrooms are not likely to have much of an effect anyway.
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Re: potency [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6907211 - 05/12/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
Potency is genetic, but four or five small mushrooms are not likely to have much of an effect anyway.
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i agree, I dint get why people take such small doses and then say their mushrooms are bunk or not potent. EAT A 1/8 or even a 1/4 Then come and tell us that the mushrooms are bunk

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Re: potency [Re: DiabloSmurf]
    #6907440 - 05/12/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

omg a 1/4, is that even safe lol, When i took an 1/8 it was ridiculous lol, but im afraid the person that gave em to me may have laced it with acid.....:eek:

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Re: potency [Re: hatchet26]
    #6907475 - 05/12/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I've ate up to 30 dry grams of cubes before, and ten grams of dry copes, p cyanescens and azures. It's not recommended for the weak kneed though. Be somewhere safe.
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Re: potency [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6907515 - 05/12/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

30 dry grams that nuts. I ate 1.76 the other night and tripped pretty hard. I was curious though as dumb as this sounds I was pretty drunk when I ate them. They hit me in like 20 minutes and I was having some pretty good visuals. Does alcohol intensify the effects?

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Re: potency [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6907520 - 05/12/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I think it may have something to do with the PF tek.Does any one see a drop in potency, when started from agar ?P.Staments does say something about changing the growing spawn for better.( don't have the book around me,now )


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Re: potency [Re: Brainiac]
    #6907537 - 05/12/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Does any one see a drop in potency, when started from agar



No.
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Re: potency [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6907633 - 05/12/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Ive eaten a half ounce of dry mushrooms once at this festival called grateful fest out in Ohio. OMG talk about an exciting trip, Once you break past the barrier you're okay.

man i had mad visuals!

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Re: potency [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6907651 - 05/12/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

30 dry grams? That's...unimaginable. For my next session, I'm going to eat 5 dry and I'm building up for it. I can imagine it's not for the weak-kneed. Did you spend much time in the fetal position? But seriously, I can only imagine how...open your mind must have been. Wow. Fair play.

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Re: potency [Re: DiabloSmurf]
    #6907672 - 05/12/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

2 dried grams is a good starting point for anyone. If nothing after close to an hour then take another gram and wait a half an hour then do another gram and wait another half hour continue until you are golden. This is a safe way to get where ya want to go without overshooting your bounds.


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Re: potency [Re: hyphae]
    #6907689 - 05/12/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I should correct myself by saying i didn't eat a half ounce in one setting but over the course of about 10 hours i ingested a half ounce of mushies,very potent, very clean and the come down was spectacular

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Re: potency [Re: DiabloSmurf]
    #6908055 - 05/12/07 11:44 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Did you spend much time in the fetal position?




About four hours. :laugh:  I only trip once or twice per year, so it's usually a doozy when I do.  There's no overdose threshold for mushrooms, so as long as you know that, you'll be fine.  As said, it's not for the weak kneed.
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Re: potency [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6909683 - 05/13/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I do it a couple of times each year too.

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Re: potency [Re: psilosibling]
    #6909881 - 05/13/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)



this is what RR looks like on 30 dry grams!


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Re: potency [Re: headieherbs]
    #6910008 - 05/13/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

hahaha

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Re: potency [Re: headieherbs]
    #6914152 - 05/14/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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this is what RR looks like on 30 dry grams!


:grin:




OMG OMG, too fuckin' funny! :biggrin:


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Re: potency [Re: DragonHero]
    #6914214 - 05/14/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

that pic is Byfar the funniest shit ive seen in a while!! hahaha

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Re: potency [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6916328 - 05/14/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

My tops was this 8 gram stem made into 1 quart of grape kool-aid
Spent 2 hours locked in a swirling vortex of color, and a while opening doors to old memories, and another bit holding my balls for dear life. lmao, crazy night.


Been trying to forget what that was like so I can have another heavy go, maybe 12-14 grams. I haven't had a go in almost 6 months.


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Re: potency [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6917466 - 05/14/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Hey RR,

I'm curious about the toxicology of psilocybin. I have read that the toxicity is so low that you would have to eat like 20 pounds of mushrooms in order to die from them.. and then only because your stomach would rupture.

So, why then the physical side effects during a hard trip? I've eaten a lot too, up to about 12 dry gm of cubes, and I remember that it was quite painful.. all my tendons felt like they were shortening and there was pain in all of my joints. I also went totally nuts for about six hours, but thats a long story..!

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Re: potency [Re: k_muttsky]
    #6918702 - 05/15/07 05:14 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'm guessing when you get to a certain point with shrooms you can't go any further.. eating a half pound of dry shrooms.. would it just a very long trip and/or would it be as intense as a trip from 100 dry grams?

This one has made me curious

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Re: potency [Re: psilosibling]
    #6918745 - 05/15/07 05:54 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i remember reading someone 's post saying that mushrooms doesn't have a threshold so you can eat 30 gr 40 gr of dry mushies without worries


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Re: potency [Re: whereismymind]
    #6918804 - 05/15/07 06:33 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Don't think i'll be taking amounts like that for a VERY long time though haha.. I still need to land on earth sometime soon before i can refuel again. Or maybe i'll get one of those fuel planes to refuel me in mid-air! lol

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Re: potency [Re: psilosibling]
    #6918879 - 05/15/07 07:27 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i've found shrooms to be like pot, u can only get so high, i've not noticed much of a difference from a quarter oz dry, to a half oz dry.
just more to chew, and a nastier bodyload.

better to eat half and save the rest for a friend, or for later.

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Re: potency [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6950324 - 05/22/07 02:10 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

hey well what about other methods of boosting potency. tryptamine, humidification, oxygen, carbon dioxide, temperature and other experimental substrates..?

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Re: potency [Re: SheerTerror]
    #6953249 - 05/22/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

nah? i really thought it was more about the substrate and air quality rather then genetics.


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Re: potency [Re: SheerTerror]
    #6953405 - 05/22/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

B+ is prob the least potent strain of cube I ever grew
and I grew over 25 or so strains....

try cambodians... try are potent and pretty robust

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PS please pass the word that as far as potency goes, B+ lacks it
I have answered a few of these B+ threads lol

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Re: potency [Re: tonyperez420]
    #6953713 - 05/22/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I ate an ounce of 18 shroomies one time, I was out in a field.
They were still wet of course, freshly picked at that. Talk about going on cloud 9. It seems like the wild shrooms are more potent than any I've grown for some reason, and I've grown B+, Z, Penis Envy, and KSSS. Anyone else have similar experiences with potency?


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Re: potency [Re: Troika_Trollope]
    #6953851 - 05/22/07 09:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, I am going to get in on this one.

To answer the original posters question, 4 or 5 small mushrooms is not a measurement. Learn to measure your dose. If you do not have a scale, tape two small paper plates to a penile, Balance the pencil on another (round) pencil and put a 1$ (us) bill on one plate and mushrooms on the other. When it balances you have 1g! 4 to 5 small mushrooms could be any weight and if it was less than a gram you may not have noticed the trip. (Well on less than 1g I may not even notice the trip)

Lethal Dose (LD50) is 641g per Kg of your weight. This is from memory and should be taken as an educated guess. I once looked into it and came to the conclusion that in order to die from an OD you would have to eat so much, that you would be tripping to hard to eat the remaining 80% assuming you could hold it down!

As to potency: This is from research and experience and I have lots

and lots

and lots

and lots

of experience

The BRF is a lousy substrate. There is not a lot of nutrients for the mushrooms to work with. I have found that BRF cakes, although a great starting point, produce week mushrooms.
Cow Poo, Horse Poo, as well as other augmented substrates produce mushrooms that can be up to 10x more potent than a standard BRF cake (anecdotal evidence) I have made mixes that produced mushrooms that you could calculate the trip level on a 1 to 1 to the gram! 1g=level 1 trip, 5g=level 5 trip.
Learn with the BRF cakes and work towards spawned cow/horse poo substrate.

I have also found that Psilocybin breaks down at 180f (82.2c) Most of the dehydrators do not get much above 100f (37.7c) I have tried 5 different methods of dehydrating them and have had no discernible difference in trip. My current dehydrator is set to 95F and looks like this



And here is a screen with a few BIG ones on it. (and a cig for scale)



Hope this helps.

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Re: potency [Re: Cyber]
    #6955114 - 05/23/07 02:56 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the info, i been trying to find some info on how to increase potency and on different substrates to use

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Re: potency [Re: SheerTerror]
    #6956741 - 05/23/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

never trust a guy who smokes Winstons :wink:

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