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InvisibleEgo Death
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Living and working in the Netherlands
    #6887747 - 05/08/07 01:45 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I'm planning on getting a one way flight out to the Netherlands to find a job and accomadation.

I can stay in a Hostel and live out of my backpack until I've found a job then I'll find somewhere to stay long-term.

Does anybody know;
How long you can live/work there before they would require a visa?

Whats about the cheapest you can get a studio flat for (not in Amsterdam as its the most expensive part)?

My friends have informed me thats its easy to find work in coffee shops etc, for those that live there, would you say that is correct?

Thanks for any help,


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Re: Living and working in the Netherlands [Re: Ego Death]
    #6887889 - 05/08/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Im not 100% sure but I believe that to live there without a visa is allowed for the first 3 months.


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Re: Living and working in the Netherlands [Re: eligal]
    #6888659 - 05/08/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I would not recommend you to move to the Netherlands. I do not know how long you can stay on a tourist visum. But with a tourist visum you cannot find work. Even with the right papers it is very difficult to find work. If you do not speak the language or have no history of work in the Netherlands. Finding an appartment is also very difficult. In Amsterdam/The Netherlands most appartments/houses are owned by corporations (more a sort of foundations) that make no profit from renting them. The profit is reinvested in new houses and repairs. I pay around 300 Euro for a small appartment. Without a stay permit one cannot rent an appartment from them. Privat house owners also have to follow many rules. The intention of these rules are that all people can always find an appartment they can afford. If you are not registered you could only find an appartment from someone you rents an appartment cheap and rents it to someone for 3-4 times the price he pays for it. This is of course forbidden and you could end up on the street very easily.
Alltogether I think you would have more problems here than in your home country. Unless you already know someone who is willing to hire you.
About the coffeshops: You probably need to know a coffeeshop owner to find a job easy. Otherwise I don´t think that it´s easy to find such a job. If you would find a job it would probably be something that no one wants to do. Cleaning up building sites and things like that. After doing this work for a while and having good references you could look for a better job. What you could find than depends on your education and if this education is worth something around here.


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Re: Living and working in the Netherlands [Re: Cyano]
    #6888811 - 05/08/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

You could always try and get in touch with a few hostels and see if they need any help. They will let you stay there for free and you have to work a certain number of hours per week. I stayed a the Flying Pig and there were multiple people doing that. You can only do it for a couple weeks or maybe a month or two. Definitely just a temporary solution.


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Re: Living and working in the Netherlands [Re: Cyano]
    #6889081 - 05/08/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

300 euro a month? Thats cheap! You can't get an small flat for less than 500 euro here...

Hmmm, I'm gonna start looking into getting a working permit then. I still want to give it a shot!


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Re: Living and working in the Netherlands [Re: Ego Death]
    #6889126 - 05/08/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Seems I don't need a residence permit as I am from a EU country.

Ahh, just found this - makes it sound hard hmmm.

The employer must apply for the TWV, and not the person in question. This is because Dutch employers, when filling vacancies, are expected first to give Dutch or EU/EER nationals a chance. By law, they must prove that they have tried and failed, and are therefore hiring someone from a non-priority country.
http://www.learn4good.com/travel/groups/work_permit.htm


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Re: Living and working in the Netherlands [Re: Ego Death]
    #6889136 - 05/08/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

So the trouble is convincing an employer to employ someone whos not dutch...

Thats sucks!


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Re: Living and working in the Netherlands [Re: Ego Death]
    #6893331 - 05/09/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Not being dutch is not the problem. The problem is the dutch language if you do not speak it. It is not easy to work with someone if he does not understand you. Your diplomas may also not be worth much. They don´t kmow with what dutch diploma it can be compared. Another thing is why you did come to the Netherlands. If you are from a poor country they think you came here for the money. If you are not from a poor country they think you came here for drugs. Drug abuse or drug possesion is not punished very hard here (or not at all/cannabis&mushrooms) but when it comes to finding work they can be quite conservative.
The Netherlands are not a paradise. Some things are legal that are forbidden in most countries but staying alive is not easier than in most other countries. They make their money the same way as others and therefore have to live by the same rules.


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Re: Living and working in the Netherlands [Re: Cyano]
    #6893405 - 05/09/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I mentioned something along these lines and was told the same thing: the language barrier would be my only issue.


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Re: Living and working in the Netherlands [Re: Cyano]
    #6893898 - 05/09/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I want to go because
1. My country sucks
2. Theres loads of beutiful hookaz there!


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Re: Living and working in the Netherlands [Re: Ego Death]
    #6897349 - 05/10/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I wish you luck. But remember there are 2 kind of Netherlands. There is the centre of Amsterdam (from the air it looks, due to the canals, like a giant spiderweb.) In this area there are lots of coffeeshops, smartshops and the Red Light area. By tolerating drugs and prostitution they created a centre that attracts people from all over the world. It´s all for money. Like Nevada where gambling is allowed and people from everywhere are coming to Las Vegas. An old trick. Make sure the spider from the web does not get you. Outside the reservation (for instance on your work) you meet completely other people that know all these things only from television. This Amsterdam/Netherlands sucks as much as everywhere.
But see it for yourselves. May be you can have, being close to all the evil, some very enlightening mushroom trips. Being a foreigner, especially if you stay many years in a strange country, also triggers some very informative trips. Being in the body of another nation, surrounded by sounds of another language, eating other food and so on. In time, without cultural back up from your own people, you start to change into another person. It´s like being digested by a large creature that makes your flesh his flesh.


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