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for me the rule is, if my ears hurt or feel uncomfortable during or after, then I have to turn it down. I no longer listen to music on buses, subways because there is so much noise already, its not worth it, and turning up my music will just add to it. cars, walking, biking, in quiet rooms is when you can truly hear and appreciate music. even just being outside in the city is enough sometimes to fuck up listening to music: cars, planes, generators, people, etc
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