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Re: Crazy people [Re: dumlovesyou]
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read "The Myth of Mental Illness" by Thomas Szaz... incidentally, i recently learned that he is a board of advisor on Alchemind (along with Ram Dass, Laura Huxley, Dr. Shulgin, exc.) - way cool sight... www.alchemind.org
love & blessings, CJ


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Crazy people [Re: deepr]
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I hear what you are saying. Way too many people fail to take responsibility and blame it on some vague disorder.

I started with your premise. I always tried to tough it out like it was my fault in the way that I viewed the world (which is of course, a part), but then discovered that much of it was physiological.

At best, I keep it under control with Sam-E and St. John's Wort. The effects are very subtle, but others notice when I fail to maintain my regimen.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Crazy people [Re: LOBO]
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I also have been diagnosed with depression and I am currently on anti depressents. When I first went on them I could tell that they were changing my thought patterns, which could be called a false sense of happiness. I'm thinking about coming off them, but I do not want to go back into that pit again. For the sake of the people who know me if not for mine. Having said that ... I do not want to be on them forever, and I have this underlying feeling that this person who is on anti depressents is not "me", you know? How can I be me, if my state of mind is permanently altered.

I also have ayahuasca ingredients, and hope to try it soon at a low dose.


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Re: Crazy people [Re: CosmicJoke]
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thats the problem with drugs... use them enough and you forget who you are, what you stand for, what you believe in, what to be angry about, what to be happy about.... use them to get perspective on what you were doing wrong i say ;] learn from them... dont live by them

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Re: Crazy people [Re: Swami]
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As a life-long depressive, I can tell you that it is not just a "state of mind", but is caused from bio-chemical imbalances
I totally agree with you. But think that eveything in our brain is caused by this chemicals. Why not can we make it balanced again? When we almost cannot pay attention to something, we can somehow make our mind focus. That's control on some chemicals also. I hope you understand what I mean. In the same way with little strugle everything is possible. It's our brain, why not control it after all?


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I see trees of green, psylocibe mushrooms too
I see them bloom for me and you
And I think to myself what a wonderful world

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Re: Crazy people [Re: dumlovesyou]
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In reply to:
we can somehow make our mind focus.


Technically I agree with what you are writing and I believe that this idea could be applied to all aliments. But try that idea on your next infection. If we were all Buddist Monks, I think we could accomplish what you are writing about, truth is we are not. The menal focus necessary for such victories over real, physical, ailments are far fetched, at best. Pop culture ideas about health and mental health are sadly off the mark most often, considering the fact that we are broadly ill equipped to tackle such abnormalities, based on our life styles and time constraints. If your point is the fact that modern society has left us unable to persue such possibilites, that would be a much more agreeable topic.
To start this process, we could all start praying for a society that truely prizes and rewards prioritizing time that is spent on that which is rewarding and prized.


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"New shit has come to light..."

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Re: Crazy people [Re: dumlovesyou]
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I believe there is no normal in human beings. We are all different in some way according to our DNA. Messing with natural processes is not the answer.
I dont trust any man made chemical, or doctors opinion.
They use drugs when they "dont know exactly what it does, but we know it work"

Some Natural substances (drugs) release more data into your receptors, that is probally related to increased thought, increased perception, and other occurances.

Man made drugs such as anti psychotics block the same receptors.
I was told it would decrease thinking patterns.
I heard one patient on the drug say "I dont like what this drug is doing to me, I can feel this void inside my head, this deep void, this thirst that cant be quenched."
The doctors diagnosed it and gave him more drugs to counter the effects.

Stay away from doctors, they can force you to take
medications you may not want or need. This is a serious offense to our human rights.


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Re: Crazy people [Re: FreakQlibrium]
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In my opinion any chemical imbalance and resultant mental state(s) are only just karma.......accrued through false identification with one's own personal(separate) existence ........and your actual "being" exists entirely away from it.........but I could be wrong



Do you think you could elaborate a bit more for me? Last time I shroomed I realized that I don't know who I am, and I've been acting for a long time to prevent people from putting me down (happened at least twice a day all through middle and highschool =( ) I guess I eventually just learned to block out my emotions, and to block out who I am inside. Now I really don't have much of a clue about myself.... I'm figuring it out slowly but sometimes I feel like a stanger to myself. I think all that bs throughout school is why I have such horrible anxiety now. I smoke cigarettes (a lot of them) especially in any social situation.

II'm fed up with this insane cycle. If I could have one wish all I'd ask for is to know without one doubt who I am, and to be able to be that person right now.




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"I see!" said the blind man to his deaf wife.

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Re: Crazy people [Re: Chikhai]
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Chikhai, I had similar issues years ago. One day while in a book store I came across an audio tape from Nathaniel Branden about the psychology of self-esteem. I listened to his tape and it provided me with one of those "ah ha!" experiences and helped to send me in a direction of personal growth that was true to who I really was/am (in the core of my being) instead of who I was trying to be (which was based on societal/social/familial standards). I highly recommend some of his tapes/books on the subject.

Edited by Evolving (07/10/02 06:40 AM)

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Re: Crazy people [Re: dumlovesyou]
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I'm only crazy on one side.Hell you can even pick it.


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Well...Maybe just a little.

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Re: Crazy people [Re: dumlovesyou]
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Cat's LIke PIANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Weeeeeeeeeeeeehehehheheheeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeheeeeeeee!

(but seriously...or maybe, not so seriously) and I hate to see like such a MAD linker(not like i'm angry, just mad!)...
here is The Value of Psychotic Experience , by Alan Watts! Great insanity theory! Or better, an honest approach to the subject of 'CRAZY'...
have fun!

Thx,
the pale e

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Re: Crazy people [Re: dumlovesyou]
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I remember I got a PM once from a certain someone on this board who will remain unnamed saying they were seriously concerned that I was delusional schizophrenic. I told him if pursuit of spiritual wisdom is insanity, put me in a straight jacket and lock me in a rubber room.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!


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Re: Crazy people [Re: Chikhai]
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Making a wish!
I dig it!

(k...i'm getting better, but bear with me)....
You are....

(lightly bow, and wait for applause)...
well! Dig it!

K it get's better...
And you are NOT, as well...

(still waiting for applause)...

Your prob being but down cause 89% of people on the planet are afraid of thinkers...I mean, ummm..
Smoke pot...wait for your POWERS of higher circuit evolution to evolve, and let the assholes Njoy their twisted delusions (like their taunts have any REAL meaning to you). When i was in school, i used to get picked on too!
Until i mastered the power of blinking my antognists outta existance....
I thought they listen then FOR sure! They just didn't seem to notice...
That's when i turned to indecent exposure....
oh...the looks on their faces then....
They should just be thanks-full that i didn't use IT as a bludgeoning tool...
thanks-full indeed...

Thx,
the pale e

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Re: Crazy people [Re: ]
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I remember I got a PM once from a certain someone on this board who will remain unnamed saying they were seriously concerned that I was delusional schizophrenic. I told him if pursuit of spiritual wisdom is insanity, put me in a straight jacket and lock me in a rubber room.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!


Actually, THIS is what you said:
(edit: Thanks for sharing that, but actually posting a PM is considered a big no-no. Notice I didn't say Sclorch, but I guess you blew the cover right off that one.)

There's a HUGE difference between wisdom and knowledge.


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Note: In desperate need of a cure...

Edited by Shroomism (07/29/02 07:40 PM)

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Re: Crazy people [Re: Sclorch]
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I've noticed that a bit of a personal grudge has built up since I pondered Shroomism's mental health. I hope I'm just misperceiving things...


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Note: In desperate need of a cure...

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Re: Crazy people [Re: Sclorch]
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Main Entry: wis?dom
Pronunciation: 'wiz-d&m
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English wIsdOm, from wIs wise
Date: before 12th century
1 a : accumulated philosophic or scientific learning : KNOWLEDGE b : ability to discern inner qualities and relationships : INSIGHT c : good sense : JUDGMENT d : generally accepted belief
2 : a wise attitude or course of action
3 : the teachings of the ancient wise men

Main Entry: knowl?edge
Pronunciation: 'n?-lij
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English knowlege, from knowlechen to acknowledge, irregular from knowen
Date: 14th century
1 : obsolete : COGNIZANCE
2 a (1) : the fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or association (2) : acquaintance with or understanding of a science, art, or technique b (1) : the fact or condition of being aware of something (2) : the range of one's information or understanding c : the circumstance or condition of apprehending truth or fact through reasoning : COGNITION d : the fact or condition of having information or of being learned
3 : archaic : SEXUAL INTERCOURSE
4 a : the sum of what is known : the body of truth, information, and principles acquired by mankind b : archaic : a branch of learning

Ok... I didn't save the PM so I wasn't sure of the exact wording I used. But what is so different about these two words? Yeah they are different, but I don't see a HUGE difference.

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Re: Crazy people [Re: Sclorch]
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There is no personal grudge. And even if there were it wouldn't be from you questioning my mental health, that actually gave me a good laugh. If this perceived grudge you are speaking of is as a result of your edited picture in enter's chakra thread, it is because I found it highly offensive as the person who made that picture is my spiritual mentor whom I hold a deep respect for and you manipulated the picture with a very offensive description. Aside from that there is no grudge. Keep it respectful and we wont have any problems.

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Re: Crazy people [Re: ]
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Check your PM's.

I've posted that pic before in here (before the PM) and it received little flak.

Wisdom is SO different from knowledge... ask any epistemologist (they've torn me a new one for such things).

No hard feelings on this end.


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Note: In desperate need of a cure...

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Re: Crazy people [Re: Sclorch]
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Yeah, what Shroomism said!

We had a really cool place with very few rules. And then you screwed it up. You couldn't leave it alone. You just had to keep digging and poking and prodding and teasing and joking and typing until we got rules.

I hate rules.

You have ruined everything. j/k


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I've got just one thing to add [Re: dumlovesyou]
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My theory on psychological correction can be summed up in one simple set of Floydian lyrics:

You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane.
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me.

enough said


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"Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go..." T.S. Eliot

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