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Offlineatoning_unifex
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possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed....
    #687129 - 06/18/02 11:50 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

to those of you who use birdseed.... would it be possible for us without pc's to....
1: put the seed into pint jars(as per seed teks) and cook in the oven (without the water )for a couple of hours....
2: boil some water to steralise it...
3: once the jars of seed and the water get to a similar temp simply add enough water to the jars to cover the seed and leave overnight (to allow the seed to soak up some water and let the whole mess cool down enough to innoc)
4: drain off the excess water...
5:innoculate as per the usual seed teks...

does anyone out there think this might work??

im keen to hear any opinions ... but ive got a couple of specific questions...

1 would this steralise the seed and water enough?
2 does doing the water and seed seperatley add too much risk of contams??(the only risk i can see is when tipping out the excess water you will inadvertantly suck un steralised air into the jars...)
3 would this method give a seed /water ratio close enough to work?

id love to try seed but ill be damned if i can find a decent pc in this country so this seems the only other way....


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: atoning_unifex]
    #687172 - 06/19/02 01:23 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think so
All I can say is give it a try and let us all know


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: atoning_unifex]
    #687178 - 06/19/02 01:27 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Don?t know, hard to tell.


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: Anno]
    #687217 - 06/19/02 02:23 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Anno,
I am not flaming you, but it seems in a lot of your posts I've seen you are very quick to bluntly dismiss peoples ideas. Yet your avatar says experimentor. Maybe you could help with some experemintation tips then?

A.U.
I have no idea if that will work but I agree, seed does look promising, but yea same thing about the pressure cookers. I saw some in the warehouse for $130 or so, they felt pretty tinny though, and they had photos of that good ol kiwi cooking show lady on them, so I do not trust them :P
Do you guys have a classified newspaper up there? We have one here called the 'buy sell swap' it is a damn handy way to pick up cheap stuff. You should check it out for your area.
BTW - Can't wait till our Lipa Yai prints get here! woo hoo! thanks to Zeta!


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: Peace_Patrol]
    #687275 - 06/19/02 03:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

>Maybe you could help with some experemintation tips then?

My experimentation tip in this case is:

FORGET the oven, BUY a pressure cooker.

Also look here:
http://shroomery.org/faq/faq.php?display=faq&nr=126&catnr=12&prog=1&lang=en .


Edited by Anno (06/19/02 03:40 AM)


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: Peace_Patrol]
    #687885 - 06/19/02 10:01 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

peace... we ve got a swap/sell thing called the bay trader here but it never has pc's.... ive tried putting want ads in it but same result..... eventually i think ill end up importing one of those all arerican ones...

anno..... having a bad day or convinced the idea will be completly pointless??


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: atoning_unifex]
    #687919 - 06/19/02 10:16 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The don't think the idea will work either.

The reason it says experimenter under his avatar is because he's done just about everything. He KNOWS it won't work so why not just take his advice and trust it.

If you dont use a pc to sterilize seed/grain it won't work.

It's great to come up with new ideas and try new things. Please don't get me wrong.


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: Peace_Patrol]
    #687928 - 06/19/02 10:19 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

In reply to:

I am not flaming you, but it seems in a lot of your posts I've seen you are very quick to bluntly dismiss peoples ideas.


That's because he's an awesome cultivator and knows what works and what does not. If he tried to explain why this and why that for every single person he would go insane after awhile. Frankly, I'd rather have his short to the point answers.


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: atoning_unifex]
    #687933 - 06/19/02 10:21 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: atoning_unifex]
    #687970 - 06/19/02 10:45 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

>anno..... having a bad day or convinced the idea will be completly pointless??

I?m having a great day, thank you.
I see several flaws in your suggestions:

- You want to heat the seeds in the oven. At which temperature? How long?
If you go too high with your temperature, you will roast the seeds, making them basically caramelize and get brown, like coffee -> not good at all.
If your temperature is too low, you will accomplish nothing.
Dry heat needs a long time and higer temperatures to sterilize than steam.

-boiling water to sterilize it, nothing wrong with this.

- mixing the contents of both jars in a open airspace...this is not good. Even if the contenst are hot, I wouldn?t do it and assuem everything being sterile.

The biggest problem still is your proposed sterilisation method for the grain. I thing the danger is too big that you will either not streilize it at all, or that you will roast it.
Besides, the bacterial endospores, which are the biggest contamination problem with grain, can survive very high (and low) temperatures.

If you really can?t find a pressure cooker(which I hardly imagine) then look more into the "fractional sterilisation".

But, please, try your proposed method, make a log, and report the results.


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: Anno]
    #688039 - 06/19/02 11:28 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

LMFAO


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: bassplayer74]
    #688137 - 06/19/02 12:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Anno just gives what people ask for. Straight answers. The questions were asked in a yes/no form. A PC would save you all the time in the world.


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: atoning_unifex]
    #688766 - 06/19/02 07:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

mixing hot seed and hot water will result in porridge, trust me, I've tried it


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Re: possible alternate to pc'ing birdseed.... [Re: Anno]
    #689201 - 06/19/02 10:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

>I?m having a great day, thank you.

no worries...
>I see several flaws in your suggestions:

true , but im not very experienced so i just thought id ask..

>- You want to heat the seeds in the oven. At which >temperature? How long?
>If you go too high with your temperature, you will roast the >seeds, making them basically caramelize and get brown, like >coffee -> not good at all.
>If your temperature is too low, you will accomplish nothing.
>Dry heat needs a long time and higer temperatures to >sterilize than steam.

thanks... this is the kind of information i was after...accurate concise and non derogeratory

>- mixing the contents of both jars in a open airspace...this is >not good. Even if the contenst are hot, I wouldn?t do it and >assuem everything being sterile.

i must admit this was one of my main concerns

>The biggest problem still is your proposed sterilisation >method for the grain. I thing the danger is too big that you >will either not streilize it at all, or that you will roast it.
>Besides, the bacterial endospores, which are the biggest >contamination problem with grain, can survive very high >(and low) temperatures.

i agree that the steralisation is the weak point ... i just didnt realise how weak...

>If you really can?t find a pressure cooker(which I hardly >imagine) then look more into the "fractional sterilisation".

i havent been able to find one here... in this country... theres millions of sites selling them... but that means importing a huge peice of apparatus.... this is no biggie, its just too costly to do right now....

>But, please, try your proposed method, make a log, and >report the results.

if i believed i would keep the grow log current through to the end id be tempted, if only to be able to say i tried ... but im just too damn lazy...

anyway thanks for the input anno (and everyone)
i think ill put this idea away for the moment


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At the age of 30 something
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