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Invisiblepsilomonkey
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Re: Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6804433 - 04/18/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Actually from what I have read the US market is subject to less broadband competition then other first world countries, particularly Japan:

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It is more profitable with regards to internet broad-band technology for the oligopolies in control the telecommunications sector to prevent the spreading of broadband internet then to implement it. Without the government forcing these industries to compete, they simply will prefer to stagnate and work towards maintaining their position by means of controlling the market, instead of competing in the market.

Japan solved this problem by putting regulations in place that forced industries to compete. Americans however are fearful and distrustful of the government getting involved in any sector of the economy on principle and as a consequence the US will be unlikely to implement similar policy decisions. Such being the case competition will probably be extremely limited.




On this we agree.

But the way to introduce competition is not Net Neutrality. In the UK where competition is very healthy, this has been achieved by regulation of infrastructure, in particular that of the previously state owned monopoly that had its network built at the taxpayer's expense.

The typical model is force the infrastructure companies to open up their networks by selling wholesale access to other providers on a per end-user basis at a competitive price. The problem is local monopoly, not the free market of the Internet.


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Re: Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet [Re: gluke bastid]
    #6829072 - 04/24/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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gluke bastid said:
I agree wholeheartedly. The article provides no quotes as to what exactly would be altered, just vague language about restructuring. As I sit here jerking off to porn while I download music, I can't image what needs the internet has yet to serve. Seems very possible it is a smokescreen maneuver to allow governments to privatize the internet, which would suck the fun right out of my life.




Fuck yeah. :thumbup:


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Re: Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet [Re: Sebastian23]
    #6860731 - 05/01/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Europe Moves To Kill The Internet:
New EU rules would prevent uploading video without a license.

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"Internet 2"

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The latest move to kill off online freedom and the spread of information comes in the form of proposed EU legislation that would prevent users from uploading any form of video, whether that be a hard hitting political documentary film or your friends goofing around with diet coke and Mentos.

A proposed EU directive could extend broadcasting regulations to the internet, hitting popular video-sharing websites such as YouTube., reports the London Times. This would mean that websites and mobile phone services that feature video images would have to conform to standards laid down in Brussels.

Personal websites would have to be licensed as a “television-like service”. Once again the reasoning behind such legislation is said to be in order to set minimum standards on areas such as hate speech and the protection of children.

In reality this directive would do nothing to protect children or prevent hate speech - unless you judge protecting children to be denying them access to anything that is not government regulated or you assume hate speech to be the criticism of government actions and policy.




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We have also previously exposed how moves are afoot to clamp down on internet neutrality and even to designate a new form of the internet known as Internet 2.

This would be a faster, more streamlined elite equivalent of the internet available to users who were willing to pay more for a much improved service. providers may only allow streaming audio and video on your websites if you were eligible for Internet 2.

Of course, Internet 2 would be greatly regulated and only "appropriate content" would be accepted by an FCC or government bureau. Everything else would be relegated to the "slow lane" internet, the junkyard as it were. Our techie rulers are all too keen to make us believe that the internet as we know it is "already dead".

The Internet is freedom's best friend and the bane of control freaks. Its eradication is one of the short term goals of those that seek to centralize power and subjugate their populations under a surveillance panopticon prison, whether that be in Communist China, Neoconservative America or the Neofascist EU.




http://www.infowars.net/articles/October2006/171006Internet.htm


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Re: Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet [Re: elbisivni]
    #6871121 - 05/04/07 06:14 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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gluke bastid said:
Seems very possible it is a smokescreen maneuver to allow governments to privatize the internet, which would suck the fun right out of my life.





Who do you think owns the Internet infrastructure right now? It is one of greatest examples of a free market creating shared infrastructure through private investment. Adam Smith's invisible hand at its finest!

You know conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones puzzle me. They find conspiracy lurking in in every shadow, yet when one is jumping up and down in front of them they miss it.

I am opposed to both the EU legislation, although the claim that it would ban uploading without a license is absurd, as well as the idea of Net Neutrality laws, they have something in common. Their purpose is to grant government more legislative power over what companies and individuals do with the Internet. This is the real conspiracy.

The EU legislation stands for centralized control over content, and Net Neutrality stands for centralized control over distribution.

Net Neutrality is a communist nightmare, enforcing a doctrine that all are network packets are equal, though as an network engineer I know you need to treat some packets more equally than others. If you want to use real time applications while keeping costs realistic or to simply to keep your network safe from attack.


As for Internet2, this is not a conspiracy, you can read all about it on their web site.Their aims and standards are open and published, the applications they are developing open source. The main reason for developing it is to allow researchers across the US and around to world to share data and resources. They have requirements to move vast volumes of data very quickly between a few locations,for example being able to link a particle accelerator to the combined power of super-computers all across the world, something the Internet is not capable of.

Here is an overview of what the developers of Internet2 are doing and why.

http://www.internet2.edu/network/library/network_overview.pdf


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