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You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids
    #6870950 - 05/04/07 05:10 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

so i always thought plastic lids were the shit. i always see em in everyone's pics. we all know they look more professional. they look cooler than the metal ones. and they dont rust.

in the past, i was never able to find them for sale anywhere other than on the internet - and the price tag and hassle of actually ordering them made me stick to the easily obtainable metal lids and bands.

tonight, i found plastic mason jar lids - both wide mouth AND the smaller, regular size. just less than $3 for a box of 8 lids.

both boxes plainly say "NOT FOR PROCESSING" and "NOT FOR HEAT PROCESSING"

now, i'm not usually one to pay any mind to the overly cautious and seemingly senseless warnings "they" place on product packaging (especially not when they're on prescription bottles). but, when it comes to this field of interest, i try and do things right BEFORE i even do them.

the lids obviously don't have the self-sealing ring of the usual white or red rubber material, and they obviously aren't intended to go in a PC.

are these the plastic lids everyone is using, or are these simply a storage-use-only mason jar lid?

*which brings me to my next question...

WHEN DO AGAR'S MAGICAL LC LIDS BECOME AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE? LINK ANYONE?


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: krill]
    #6870957 - 05/04/07 05:14 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Agar's magical lids are ready right now as far as I know....I don't have the link but I bet if ya look you will find it,if not shoot him a pm....problem solved:rockon:


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: Blutjager]
    #6870970 - 05/04/07 05:26 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

right on then. i'll find the link or shoot agar a pm when i've got a few extra bucks to burn. im definitely gonna treat myself to some of those bad mofo's... but that still doesn't answer the first question.:(


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: krill]
    #6870979 - 05/04/07 05:33 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

maybe u could just use them in microwave? i dont think pc will work too well maybe lossened them so its not tight idk. oh and if u want link.. :smile:
http://natures-resources.com/    currently my homepage cuz i cant wait till its updated.. O_O *waits*.


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: nub]
    #6871268 - 05/04/07 09:57 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The Agar Lids are Perfect !!! and they are made of PP5 which resist sterilization.


Try them , you won´t be dissapointed


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: krill]
    #6871283 - 05/04/07 10:03 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Kerr/Ball plastic storage lids, are PP5.
They will withstand PC'ing.

They are NOT designed for canning.
Because they will NOT hold a vacuum.
The reason being is no rubber gasket seal.
Without a gasket, the threads are such.
They will also leak fluid, if turned sideways, or up-side-down.

So, they are NOT suitable for LC's.
(without a gasket seal)

However, they are suitable as wbs/grain spawn jar lids.
If you place tyvek UNDER the lid.
(which will work as a thin gasket)

Simply drill two (2) one quarter inch holes in the lids.
(opposing each other, as far apart as possible)
Use tyvek under the lid.
Once PC'ed, inoculate through 1 hole.
Then, tape over that hole with scotch type clear packing tape.
Or, tape over with micropore tape.

Doing so leaves either both for gas exchange.
Or, a single hole for gas exchange.
(either way works)

I would suggest covering the lids with double/triple coffee filters.
(held down with a rubber band)
Which serves as a DUST COVER.
Which adds that much more extra protection.

The coffee filters dry QUICKLY.
If jars are removed from a PC......HOT.



We will have inexpensive spawn jar lids with injection port & permanent G/E filter available shortly.
Still waiting on the thermal sealing machine, to bond the filters to the lid.

As pictured, the filter is contact cemented over a hole in the lid.
Which is a time consuming pain in the ass to do.
Once the thermal sealer arrives.
We can stamp them out in a production line QUICKLY.
Which is not possible with contact cement.

The delay is caused by the sealer having to be custom made.
It is not an off the shelf item.


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: agar]
    #6871302 - 05/04/07 10:08 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

couldnt contamination make its way through the un taped hole and into the inoculation hole?


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: agar]
    #6871311 - 05/04/07 10:09 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Agar your the greatest man. LoL I have had vaccuntainer tubes laying around for years, so now they have a use. just bought plastic lids so I gotta try this out, all my metal lids are rusted to shit. Personally all the teks I use are from Agar. I have 4 bookmarks of your Teks including the bacon wrapped scallops!
Agar the GREAT! (bows head).


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: Psychoslut]
    #6871472 - 05/04/07 11:00 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Psychoslut said:
couldnt contamination make its way through the un taped hole and into the inoculation hole?




TYVEK under the lid.
Serves as a filter barrier under the untaped hole.
The 2nd hole (used for inoculation) in the lid & tyvek is taped over.


About the same thing, with metal lids.


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: agar]
    #6871512 - 05/04/07 11:14 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I know its under the lid. But the tyvek and the lid doesn't make a tight seal. Couldn't contaminated air make it thought the untaped hole in the lid and then over to the inoc hole? I put my tyvek filters over the lid under the band so I can tape the inoc hole in the tyvek directly.

Sorry if I'm being a dumbtard.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: Psychoslut]
    #6871633 - 05/04/07 11:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I see what you are saying.

CONSIDER THIS, a Contam spore would have to get through the coffee filter dust covers (FIRST), then through a 1/4 inch hole in the lid, then travel sideways about 2 inches between the lid & tyvek to get to the needle hole in the tyvek.

I went with those odds for thousands of jars.
(with a very low contamination rate)

If that bothers you?
Cover the G/E hole with a strip of Micropore tape.
(on top the lid & under the dust cover)

That adds ANOTHER layer of protection.

Lil sumbitch contam spores would have to do some heavy duty crawling around, to get through all those barriers layers.


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: agar]
    #6871667 - 05/04/07 12:09 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I like my way. Its been working perfectly for about 6 years worth of growing now.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: Psychoslut]
    #6871802 - 05/04/07 12:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

How do you do it?


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: agar]
    #6871931 - 05/04/07 01:22 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I put 2 1/8  inch holes in the metal lid. Then put a homemade circle of tyvek on top of the lid, then screw the band on. I put a piece of tape over one of the holes on the tyvek, then sterilize, cool and inoculate.

EDIT: Ah I fucked up the order of how I do it. :smirk:


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


Edited by Psychoslut (05/04/07 01:25 PM)


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: Psychoslut]
    #6874934 - 05/05/07 03:52 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

allright. the plastic lids will endure 15 psi for an hour or more. they work for jars, as long as it's not used for LC, but just dont form a vacuum seal. ok. good. got it now.

let it be mentioned again, Agar is the reigning champion of the cultivation board...
all hail.
thanks mang. i never was straight on the plastic lid quam.
i think from now on, i will use plastic lids for sub/grain jars along with self-healing 'nocc ports (those blue plugs are the SHIT - and cheap too!) along with a micro-pore taped FAE hole.

as for LC jars, i'll stick with the traditional metal band/lid combo. * which brings me to a sublect i've never noticed having been addressed on the board before:

whether or not to invert the jar lid when making large jars of LC or Grain/spawn

** for Quart jar LC's (or whatever size mason you're using), i use a lid rig that consists of a metal band/lid, a self-healing injector port (blue plug), and a latex breather tube stuffed with polyfil.

i always make them so that the gasket side of the lid contacts the jar. therefore actually melting the ring and forming an additional seal.

it seems to me this would be beneficial when you're working with a liquid culture/medium, but is not really necessary or desired in terms of wbs/spawn/grain jars...

open to thoughts here.

sorry if that didnt make a whole lotta sense.

i've been drinking.


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: krill]
    #6874949 - 05/05/07 03:59 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i like ur guys thinking, how do you beat contams/bacteria? think like one! devize a plan to enter your own jars and figure your .03 micron (or super super tiny) and try to find a way into your jars =P then do the logical math if you find a problem.

the one problem, solving the inital phase where you have to go thru the maze before you block it (inoculation) then seal ur path as best as possible while eliminating the buggers that possibly followed you.

lol this just got me thinking haha was funny


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: boneynerd]
    #6874976 - 05/05/07 04:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

AND, to touch on Agar's sly mention of not being able to use these lids as LC lids due to leakage "without a gasket"... correct me if i'm wrong, but i would imagine that you could get the standard plastic lids and MAKE a gasket/seal with good old RTV sealant. as long as you made sure to use a liberal amount AND that it gets down into the grooves inside the lid itself... just make an RTV ring around the inside of the lid, let it get semi-dry, push it down into all the recesess of the lid (as if it were caulk) a nd let it dry. then, theoretically, you would be able to use these lids and have them be sealed and leakproof as well.

hmm...

any thoughts from the pros or the ghetto-riggers?


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: krill]
    #6875855 - 05/05/07 01:51 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

You can create a "ghetto gasket" with a thick rubber band, or 2.

Simply place a thick rubber band (or 2) AROUND THE JAR NECK.
At the base of the threads on the JAR NECK & FLAT.

Then, slowly screw the plastic cap down on them.

Try it with liquid in the jar.
Invert in upside down & shake it.
If it doesn't leak.
You are good to go.:grin:


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: agar]
    #6876075 - 05/05/07 03:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

without the gasket, leaks can occur which = to contams possibly getting in?


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Re: You Gotta Be Smarter Than the Plastic Lids [Re: Liquidkick]
    #6876204 - 05/05/07 03:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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without the gasket, leaks can occur which = to contams possibly getting in?




The object of the gasket is to INSURE an LC is & remains UNCONTAMINATED.

A 0.02 micron or smaller GAS EXCHANGE filter on the lid.
Insures G/E in/out of the jar is filtered, to keep out contaminates.

If a jar LEAKS fluid, contaminates can be WICKED into the jar content.

An injection port allows clean aspiration in/out of the jar.
The filter allows filtered G/E in/out.
The gasket insures the jar is & remains SEALED.
(meaning, doesn't leak)

Any G/E that takes place is through the lid FILTER.
(which keeps out contaminates while allowing G/E)


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