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dunking before crumbling
    #6831116 - 04/25/07 08:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

hey guys, is it nessasary to dunk your cakes for the 24 hours recomended before you would crumble them?

iam going to spawn crumbled cakes to a bulk substrate so i was just wondering. thanks all.

also (dumb Q) im gonna do a 4to1 ratio for the bulk. so that would be 1 part crumbled cake to 4 parts coir?


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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: unCIVALIZEd]
    #6831247 - 04/25/07 09:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Necessary, no. Recommended, yes. I recently crumbled cakes and cased without dunking and the first pinset took forever to form. I dunked before trying to fruit again and the second pinset popped up in a few days. I don't know if this is due to a direct causal relationship, but I suspect so. Mushrooms = 90% water

Your ratio sounds good. Some people post about going as high as a 1:10 ratio with success. Keep in mind, the bigger the ratio, the longer colonization will take...

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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: SillyButtons]
    #6831307 - 04/25/07 09:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

so you didnt spawn first? you just cased the crumbled cakes? they were brf/verm cakes right?


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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: unCIVALIZEd]
    #6831338 - 04/25/07 09:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes indeed, cased straight. No spawing on that grow. I have some bulks colonizing now, though.

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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: SillyButtons]
    #6831355 - 04/25/07 09:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

right on, i've read that if you are going to case (brf cakes that is) that you should spawn to bulk first, your supposed toget better flushes.

so that last question i had on my first post a 4 to 1 ratio would be 4 parts coir (my bulk substrate) to 1 part crumbled cake right?


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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: unCIVALIZEd]
    #6831371 - 04/25/07 09:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes. Four parts coir to 1 part brf cake. There is no benefit to dunking the cake before spawning. The moisture to support the flush is in the coir, and the eventual casing layer you add, should you choose to do so.

There is also no benefit to crumbling and casing pf cakes without spawning them to bulk. It only delays the first crop and greatly increases chance of contamination.
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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6831384 - 04/25/07 09:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Can you dunk after a flush if u have a casing? I have a verm as my casing over my rye grain, which is in a bag. Can this be removed as a whole and dunked when i finally get a flush?

Just asking because wouldnt the casing fall apart?

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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6831391 - 04/25/07 10:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks RR, so im gonna follow one of roadkills teks for pasturizing the coir. when its done sitting in the bucket of water overnight i would just wring out all of the excess water until the coir is just moist?

also would i have to do this for the casing tek? 50/50 peat/verm do you add water to this also and then wring it out just till its damp?

thanks for the help.


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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: unCIVALIZEd]
    #6831408 - 04/25/07 10:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Use the 'search posts' feature above and use 'pasteurization tek' and my name to see how I do it. Repeat using 'casing tek' and my username to find that.
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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6831415 - 04/25/07 10:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

will do.


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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: unCIVALIZEd]
    #6831508 - 04/25/07 10:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ok i figured out how to pateurize in the pc, nice.

couple q's though


1. i know to get horticultural hydrated lime is there anything that iam looking for in particular when getting the gypsum?


2. the teks i was reading were mainly focused on casing's (pastrurization teks) i can pasterrize the bulk substrate to right?

3. would i add gypsum and lime to the bulk also? or is that unnessasary because it will be in the casing layer?

4. If i do Add to the bulk how much would be needed? (i found the ratios for casings but not a bulk substrate?)

thanks for the help..


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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: unCIVALIZEd]
    #6832037 - 04/25/07 12:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

#3 i know that you can add gypsum to your bulk substrate but i dont think you are supposed to add lime

#2 yes you can pateruize the bulk substrate,

you'll hav to get some other help on the other questions im not sure of them.

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Re: dunking before crumbling [Re: johnnyboy]
    #6832075 - 04/25/07 12:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Correct. Lime isn't necessary in the bulk substrate, but everything can benefit from 5% to 10% gypsum added. Use horticultural gypsum.(calcium sulphate)

You can hydrate and pasteurize manure substrates the same way as I described in the casing tek.
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