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musher_420
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How to make vegetarian canna-butter?
#6803422 - 04/18/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey, I'm wondering what the best vegetarian alternative that can be used in place of butter when making weed butter?
Can vegetable oil or like olive oil be used?
Thanks in advance. Almost 420
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: musher_420]
#6803447 - 04/18/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Being a professional chef i woudl say olive oil would be best. Make sure though not to ge tthe olive oil to hot as it will get that "burnt" taste at a lower degree than butter will.
Always go extra-virgin.
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: Ransford]
#6803454 - 04/18/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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The temp that THC needs is 370 F right?
Is that too hot for EVOO?
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: Ransford]
#6803455 - 04/18/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Okay.. I was under the impression when making weed butter you need to get the oil pretty hot? If you can't heat up Olive oil very much I wonder if it will work.
LOL..beat me too it Rooster. 370 degrees you say?
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: Ransford]
#6803458 - 04/18/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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e.v.o.o. yum.
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: musher_420]
#6803469 - 04/18/07 08:51 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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both are better than butter imo
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#6803592 - 04/18/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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RoosterCogburn said: The temp that THC needs is 370 F right?
Is that too hot for EVOO?
To hot to leave sit, yes, but not is you constantly stir.
ALso about getting the oil hot, they didn't teach us to cook weed in culinary school, but i would think (using my knowledge i have) That you could cook the weed in a evoo for 5-6 hours and a tempature just below a simmer.
I would say give it a try, bring it to a light simmer, and stir-it every 10 minutes. NO way to tell if it works enless you try it.
Also 370 degrees????? Seems kinda high, enless you want to carmelize the butter.
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: Ransford]
#6803621 - 04/18/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's actually 314.6 F... Not sure where I got 370.
I figured the boiling point of THC is a good place to be when I want the molecules to vaporize and go into the oil.... right?
And I don't think it will take 5-6 hours either.
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#6803670 - 04/18/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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RoosterCogburn said: It's actually 314.6 F... Not sure where I got 370.
I figured the boiling point of THC is a good place to be when I want the molecules to vaporize and go into the oil.... right?
And I don't think it will take 5-6 hours either.
Cool, you learn something new everyday. I have made weed brownies several times and never brought my butter to 314 degrees. I usually just let an eighth to a quarter of weed simmer in the butter for 3-4 hours.
I am very confused about this boiling point of thc, i am going to make 3 batchs for 4/20 this year.
Batch One: My normal butter method of a low simmer for 4 hours.
Batch Two: Use same method instead with olive oil.
Batch Three: I will use my thermometer and bring the butter to 320 degrees for a few minutes while stirring contatly and add that directly into my mix.
I have a big benefit dinner on 4/20 so i might make them tonight. To bad i probaly won't be able to tell potency differences after i eat one brownie, lol.
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: Ransford]
#6803674 - 04/18/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also can i get a link to this site where you foudn the boiling temp of thc?
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: musher_420]
#6803678 - 04/18/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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vegetarians typically use butter, vegans don't
that is unless you are a vegetarian who happens to be against the use of any animal products (which is kind of a part of what vegan is)
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#6803684 - 04/18/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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You don't need the THC to vaporize. The THC dissolves in oil or alcohol (non-polar solvents). This can be done by soaking, but can be accelerated by heat.
The main reason you want to make sure it's heated is that most of the THC is in the form of THC-A (acid), which is not active. After a few minutes at 220+ deg F, decarboxylation occurs, converting THC-A to THC.
I would suggest powdering your MJ as finely as possible, so that the oil can penetrate the plant material and dissolve the THC. Simmer on very low heat for a long time, then use a garlic press to squeeze every drop out of the plant matter.
Now that I think about it, olive oil green dragon might be more useful than standard green dragon using everclear.
Edit to add: I suspect that the extraction is rather inefficient. It makes sense that oil would not flow in and out of the plant material easily enough to remove all of the THC. Two things to try/consider:
1) After doing this, you might be able to smoke the plant material, and get just as buzzed from it as raw weed. This is because decarboxylated weed has much more THC than raw weed, so the little bit left behind might be enough.
2) If you really want oil, you could do a standard everclear green dragon extraction, then add the green dragon to your oil, then heat it to evaporate the alcohol.
I would also suggest decarboxylating as a seperate step. Place the bud into a small jar, seal it (keep in all that goodness ), and place in the oven at 250 deg. for 1 hour. When I do it, I then add the everclear directly to this jar and heat the whole thing to 170deg for an hour or two.
Edited by pokermush (04/18/07 10:04 AM)
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: Ransford]
#6803685 - 04/18/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ransford said: Also can i get a link to this site where you foudn the boiling temp of thc?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THC
On the right hand side it lists all the chemical info... Wiki's information needs to be takne with a grain of salt, but I think this part is fairly reliable... 
EDIT: Yeah, I've never measured the temp of my butter either, I use a crock pot... But I've been disappointed at times, and I was wondering if hitting the vaporization temp for even a few minutes would help? For all I know, it may kill it.
Edited by RoosterCogburn (04/18/07 09:55 AM)
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: demiu5]
#6803757 - 04/18/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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demius said: vegetarians typically use butter, vegans don't
that is unless you are a vegetarian who happens to be against the use of any animal products (which is kind of a part of what vegan is)
I'm asking for a friend. She is a vegan actually, but I just use vegetarian cause I guess it's more common term.
I'm neither, I prefer my food has a pulse lol J/K
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: musher_420]
#6803923 - 04/18/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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musher_420 said: I'm neither, I prefer my food has a pulse lol J/K
I like saying I prefer my food had parents...
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#6804108 - 04/18/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I make cannabutter by taking a pot of water, and boiling it, I add my butter, and finely ground herbs, and boil it for 40 mins with a lid on the pot, this keeps the nast plant stuff out of the butter, and leaves a good clean butter infused with THC behind, and you don't risk vaporizing or burning anything because the temp won't go over 100c (the boiling point for water)
Let this cool, then refridgerate, take your butter off the top, and plant matter, and scum is left behind, leaving what will still look like butter, and not some sauteed nastyness. _______ Ok, now, when refridgerated, doesn't Ex virgin olive oil solidify when refridgerated?
You should be able to use the same method, if not, you can use a pipette to draw the oil up as it floats in water. ____________
THC begins to vaporize around 325F if I remember right, with 350-385 being optimal.
Needless to say, well above the boiling point of water.
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: demiu5]
#6829617 - 04/24/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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demius said: vegetarians typically use butter, vegans don't
that is unless you are a vegetarian who happens to be against the use of any animal products (which is kind of a part of what vegan is)
actually a vegetarian who partakes in butter is generally called an Octo-Lovo vegetarian
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: elaspeinreason]
#6829990 - 04/24/07 11:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: Eraserhead]
#6830187 - 04/25/07 12:06 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eraserhead said: I make cannabutter by taking a pot of water, and boiling it, I add my butter, and finely ground herbs, and boil it for 40 mins with a lid on the pot, this keeps the nast plant stuff out of the butter, and leaves a good clean butter infused with THC behind, and you don't risk vaporizing or burning anything because the temp won't go over 100c (the boiling point for water)
Let this cool, then refridgerate, take your butter off the top, and plant matter, and scum is left behind, leaving what will still look like butter, and not some sauteed nastyness. _______ Ok, now, when refridgerated, doesn't Ex virgin olive oil solidify when refridgerated?
You should be able to use the same method, if not, you can use a pipette to draw the oil up as it floats in water. ____________
THC begins to vaporize around 325F if I remember right, with 350-385 being optimal.
Needless to say, well above the boiling point of water.
I've tried this method before and I have to say it is by far my favorite, I used an ounce of schwag for this method and one little brownie would get ya baked as hell 
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Re: How to make vegetarian canna-butter? [Re: Chazzersize]
#6830844 - 04/25/07 06:19 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Chazzersize said: Octo-Lavo
excuse my high-ass misspellings.  ( I am one, i should know how to spell it )
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