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How bad is sugar?
#6830401 - 04/25/07 12:57 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im wondering this because recently I put alot of sugar in my diet, but I havent figured it out till months later. I add way too much sugar to my coffee. I can tell by how often I have to buy it. Well I always come back from work all pooped and I pass out, and I usually dont want to do anything that day.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Jon]
#6831344 - 04/25/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sugar tends to do that. Your energy spikes and then crashes. Caffeine can also drain your energy after the initial buzz fades.
Do you drink soda? There's way more in soda than even the most sugary coffee.
Try drinking coffee without sugar. Once you go black, you never go back.
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Refined sugars aren't really too healthy for the body. Natural sugars, like the kind found in fruit are good for you.
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Edited by Newbie (04/25/07 03:23 PM)
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Newbie]
#6833763 - 04/25/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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bad compared to what? the holocaust?
sugar (ALL kinds of sugars, not just refined sugars) has no nutritional value at all, raises your blood sugar, rots your teeth, and is most positively absolutely one of the most addictive substances on earth (try removing sugar from your diet for 2 weeks, see if you don't have a nasty withdrawal)- and the energy sugar provides, will always follow up with a crash.
now i wouldnt consider that bad, because it gives things flavor, but its way overdone, especially in the states.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
#6833965 - 04/25/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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You forgot to mention that a diet high in refined sugar prematurely exhausts your pancreas, which results in Type 2 Diabetes. It is also low-bulk and high-calorie, which are great qualities in a food if you WANT to be obese.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Veritas]
#6834879 - 04/25/07 10:44 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nasty stuff. Switch to unpasteurized honey for your coffee instead, or maple syrup. Even then you probably oughtta cut it down a bit. When you crave sugar, try a piece of fruit instead!
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Jon]
#6835405 - 04/26/07 01:55 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sugar is great, it's an easily available energy source, it doesn't make you fat and won't rot your teeth as long as you brush them.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
#6835514 - 04/26/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree. Sugar is fucking evil. Look at all the disgusting lard asses that are insulin resistant in North America.
Since I've cut sugar from my diet, my libido shot up, my insulin sensitivity is the bomb (I don't put on fat as easy, I have more energy, etc), my skin has cleared up, etc. You don't need sugar at all.
If there's sugar in some sort of prepackaged food, so be it. I don't really add sugar to anything, and I eat mostly organic foods as it is. The only sugar I get is usually from milk. Fuck the stuff.
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just to add:
honey, syrup, and fruit sugar are not any better for you than refined sugar.
the only reason some say sugar from fruit is good, is because you have to eat the fruit to get to it, and other things in the fruit are good for you - but NOT the sugar.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Jon]
#6835681 - 04/26/07 06:07 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sugar is way addictive. Its a nice energy boost, but soon you'll crave more.
Look into natural alternatives such as xylitol or stevia.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
#6836460 - 04/26/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd argue that honey and maple syrup are good for you, with reasonable moderation, because of other components in them as well, not necessarily the sugar itself. Good quality honey will contain some amount of propolis which is a great immune booster, bees make it to kill viruses and bacteria in thier hives. There are also a number of vitamins in it... the darker the honey, the better. Maple syrup also contains a substantial amount of manganese and zinc. So a teaspoon of either in your coffee is a pretty big step up from white sugar, and probably better for you than that coffee is!
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#6836953 - 04/26/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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hard to guage which posts are statistically significant, especially concerning the negative effects of sugar
Any published studies that back up these claims?
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#6838179 - 04/26/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Everything in moderation, of course. I appreciate honey for the myriad of antioxidants it contains. For some reason, it's just plain good for you.
But I don't advocate a diet with multiple servings of fruit each day. Everyone argues about how good it is, but no... they're in denial. A serving each day is fine, but no more than that. Fructose and other refined sugars aren't good for you, and you can get fiber and vitamins from so many other things. I don't think that ANYONE in North America should have a vitamin deficiency considering the amazingly huge array of produce and supplements available at low costs.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#6838276 - 04/26/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: I'd argue that honey and maple syrup are good for you, with reasonable moderation, because of other components in them as well, not necessarily the sugar itself. Good quality honey will contain some amount of propolis which is a great immune booster, bees make it to kill viruses and bacteria in thier hives. There are also a number of vitamins in it... the darker the honey, the better. Maple syrup also contains a substantial amount of manganese and zinc. So a teaspoon of either in your coffee is a pretty big step up from white sugar, and probably better for you than that coffee is!
yes, however it's not the honey that is good for you - it's the trace amounts of vitamins and minerals that happen to be in it as well - which can be found in other sources with much less, or no sugar at all.
amen to stevia, i have been using it for the past 2 years now. although i still use sugar when cooking, i wish there was a stevia that would caramelize.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
#6840826 - 04/27/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive done quite a bit of reading about the subject of the years. I dont have any direct refferences to back this up but this stuff shows up consistantly one searches.
From what i know, processed sugar is bleached and concentrated which makes it more potent. Processed sugar (maybe non processed too) is actually classified as a very mild poision on the toxic scale. Im trying to remember specifically what scale im reffering to but im pretty sure its on an atomic level. Scientists dont consider it very dangerous in low amounts but if your eating large amounts everyday it will eventually add up.
Also from what i have read sugar right out of the cane actually does have a decent nutritional value but that is all lost after processing.
From experience, drinking coffee instead of soda with no sugar and cutting back on sugar in general is one of the best things i think ive done for my health. Its a huge comparison when i start getting back on them. Then theres also Diabetes.
I think sugar in general is just kind of stupid anyway. Look at the ingredients to most of your favorite chocolate bars and youll find that there is more sugar than cocoa in it. Its cheap, one flavor and easy to sell. Try eating some good sweetened dark chocolate (i like 70 to 80%) and youll find out what real chocolate sweet is. If im buying chocolate i want actual chocolate, not a bar of sugar with artificial flavorings. This concept goes for alot of foods. Some breads will have 2 grams of sugar per slice. Im sure a little sugar helps in general but i definately prefer bread that has real quality ingredients and dont have to hide boost flavor with something artificial. Then of course everything in a McDonalds meal is usually loaded with sugar.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: darnold]
#6840836 - 04/27/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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A little unrelated but i thought i should bring it up.
Anyone know of the best alternative sugars to use like Nutri sweet? I cant get myself to switch to the alternatives because i worry that they are more dangerous and addictive then the sugar.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: darnold]
#6841169 - 04/27/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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sugars not bad. its good too much sugar is bad refined sugars are bad eat fruit sweet things instead naturally sweet from god eat that
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: darnold]
#6841593 - 04/27/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I mentioned earlier Stevia and Xylitol are great alternatives. I use xylitol all the time making cookies.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#6842817 - 04/27/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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i havent tried xylitol - how is it compared to stevia? I find stevia great for certain things, but it has a very distinct bitter aftertaste to it, and even when used lightly it's very strong - just the sweetness itself is different.
and regarding fruit, sugar cane, "natural sugars":
Sugar contains no nutrition. If we never had another teaspoon of dietary sugar in our entire lives, our nutritional health would not be affected in the slightest (if anything, it would be improved for the better). So from a health viewpoint sugar is 100% valueless - I would like to see someone that's able to provide a source that says otherwise.
finally, about NutriSweet, Splenda, Saccharin, Equal, etc. - these are all sweet. they are non-caloric like stevia and xylitol - however the main difference is that they are all created in laboratories, and all have shady backgrounds. Aspartame is another one linked to many central nervous system problems, and brain cancer. In fact, the only reason aspartame (Equal, NutraSweet, Canderel, many more) was approved by the FDA at all (and consequently, why stevia has not been approved) was because Donald Rumsfeld was good with Ronald Reagan, and Ronald Reagan appointed the new FDA commissioner. Oh yea, Rumsfeld was the CEO of the company producing Aspartame, which was later bought out by Monsanto.
if you know anything about Monsanto, you know where this is going. but I digress...
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
#6842896 - 04/27/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Xylitol has a cooling effect when you put it directly in your mouth, or even when touching it. I know what you mean about the aftertaste of stevia, its not quite as strong tasting as stevia is. I just purchased some stevia leaf powder, greenish looking.
Xylitol is used in toothpaste (I use one with it), so it actually prevents cavities.
Edited by shaos (04/28/11 01:08 PM)
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hmm, by cooling effect, do you mean like a menthol cooling?
to me, stevia has a novocaine effect - albeit briefly.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
#6843130 - 04/27/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah that would be the best comparison. On the nutrition facts it says its basically sugar alcohol.
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browndustin said: But I don't advocate a diet with multiple servings of fruit each day. Everyone argues about how good it is, but no... they're in denial. A serving each day is fine, but no more than that.
What?! Why not, I do advocate a diet with multiple servings of fruit a day... Especially bananas... Whats so wrong with fruits?? And what am I in denial of??
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: eligal]
#6844379 - 04/28/07 07:26 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Everyone prefers something different. Trust your own instict and intiuition.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: eligal]
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browndustin said: But I don't advocate a diet with multiple servings of fruit each day. Everyone argues about how good it is, but no... they're in denial. A serving each day is fine, but no more than that.
What?! Why not, I do advocate a diet with multiple servings of fruit a day... Especially bananas... Whats so wrong with fruits?? And what am I in denial of??
lol, well first of all proper context must be established. if you compare someone who eats multiple servings of fruits everyday with someone who drinks multiple sodas everyday, eats candy, sweets, desserts, etc. then fruit is mos. def the healthier alternative.
but if you compare fruit to vegetables - well, veggies win hands down. fruit tastes much better, and provides some very essential vitamins and etc. however the sugar content of fruit is still very high. although i don't think anyone could have a good argument as to why you can't have lots of fruit in your diet.
although i would not recommend it if you live somewhere with mosquitoes...
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
#6845125 - 04/28/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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i think you guys forgott the point that a person will die without sugar.... your cells use sugar to run...... so if you have a limited sugar diet you will find that you will have little energy and enthusiasm much like having to much sugar.... try to find a diet some where in the middle
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: biggysmall]
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biggysmall said: i think you guys forgott the point that a person will die without sugar.... your cells use sugar to run...... so if you have a limited sugar diet you will find that you will have little energy and enthusiasm much like having to much sugar.... try to find a diet some where in the middle
that statement is inaccurate. you will not die without sugar in your diet, you will die without glucose in your blood, which comes from plenty other places - like vegetables, carbohydrates and meat.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
#6848141 - 04/29/07 02:55 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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no this statment is not inaccurate...... glucose is just one of the many chemicals in sugar that your body uses.....
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: biggysmall]
#6848499 - 04/29/07 06:25 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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right, but glucose is in plenty other sources, therefore making sugar useless, for everything other than taste.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
#6848621 - 04/29/07 07:40 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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you are missing my point completley but thats ok lol
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: biggysmall]
#6848847 - 04/29/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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ah, but you really don't have a point, and therein lies the problem.
hypoglycemia is when you have low blood sugar, and even then it's not dietary sugar that you need, it's glucose. so you would take glucose tablets. plenty of sugar-free foods we eat are broken down and are converted into glucose. Again, sugar is devoid of any minerals, fibers, vitamins, proteins, amino acids and anything else our bodies find useful.
I would love to see a source that could prove anything different, as it would turn the world of nutrition upside down.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
#6848949 - 04/29/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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you have a great sence of ignorance..... you believe that what you say is law.... in fact glucose can be found in fruits .. you are rite... but the reason is that those fruits contain sugar... from the plants making it for energy... also if you eat liver you can get a good deal of glucose... or maby if you suck blood... and i think your forgetting the other molecule in sugar... ummm what is it called again.. o ya fructose... im afraid to say your body needs that to
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: biggysmall]
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biggysmall said: you have a great sence of ignorance..... you believe that what you say is law.... in fact glucose can be found in fruits .. you are rite... but the reason is that those fruits contain sugar... from the plants making it for energy... also if you eat liver you can get a good deal of glucose... or maby if you suck blood... and i think your forgetting the other molecule in sugar... ummm what is it called again.. o ya fructose... im afraid to say your body needs that to
its not necessary to eat sugary things though. Most sugars your body can produce on its own through carbohydrates if im not mistaken.
heres a website that hates sugar (i personally love it ;p) - WITH studies to back the claims or at least be evaluated....
http://www.nancyappleton.com/pages/damages.html
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: ManianFH]
#6858160 - 05/01/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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that website has absolutley no facts backing its statement most of its claims are garbage.... regardless your body does need some sugar to survive
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: biggysmall]
#6858198 - 05/01/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually, your body needs carbohydrates in order to survive. Sugar (sucrose) or fruit sugar (fructose) are both forms of carbohydrates, but have the unfortunate effect of causing "spikes" in blood sugar levels, rather than breaking down more gradually as do more complex carbs.
Humans can survive very well without sucrose and fructose, and it would probably be wise to limit or eliminate these simple sugars from our daily diet.
http://www.biology-online.org/7/8_balanced_diet.htm
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: biggysmall]
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biggysmall said: that website has absolutley no facts backing its statement most of its claims are garbage.... regardless your body does need some sugar to survive
The claims of the website are linked to studies at the very least. The 'facts' you have to search for by finding the study used to make the claim, and evaluating the results of those studies to confirm whether or not the results have significance.
easy for one to say the claims are garbage, but wheres the data to back that claim?
The body naturally produces sugar from other substances that may or may not have sugar in them.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: biggysmall]
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biggysmall said: you have a great sence of ignorance..... you believe that what you say is law.... in fact glucose can be found in fruits .. you are rite... but the reason is that those fruits contain sugar...
Actually, alanine, an amino acid (consituent of protein) converts to glucose, in the brain:
"Converts quickly to usable glucose and prolongs blood sugar stability (helpful for hypoglycemics)."
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
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LOL
Your brain performs gluconeogenesis?????
Wow...
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
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Carbohydrates are the only macro nutrient that most humans can survive perfectly without. We can produce our own glucose, even without outside help. You never run out of glucose.
The more refined the sugar is, the worse it is for you. But remember, all carbohydrates are essentially a sugar. Even a good old sweet potato can be reduced to a spoonful of sugar. The difference it, and a more refined sugar is the rate of release into the blood stream.
True, moderation is key. But moderation of glucose is a different amount for different people. For me, it's extremely super low. And I'm not unusual in that way.
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Your brain performs gluconeogenesis????? 
Wow...
Nerd...
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7599078 - 11/05/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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PyroBurns said: Carbohydrates are the only macro nutrient that most humans can survive perfectly without.
So I guess Ketone Toxicity doesn't exist huh.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
#7599080 - 11/05/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nerd...
Armchair researcher...
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PyroBurns said: Carbohydrates are the only macro nutrient that most humans can survive perfectly without.
So I guess Ketone Toxicity doesn't exist huh.
He means grains, I think, as carbs are even in non-starchy vegetables. The point is that you only need the carbs in non-starchy vegetables; grains are like sugar.
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PyroBurns said: Carbohydrates are the only macro nutrient that most humans can survive perfectly without.
So I guess Ketone Toxicity doesn't exist huh.
Only if you are diabetic. Or if you choose not to urinate for some reason. I am running on ketones right now, and am doing much better than when on glucose.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7599184 - 11/05/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ONLY if you are diabetic??????
Wow...
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Only diabetics experience ketoacidosis, which is what you are referring to.
Look it up.
Why would the human body poison itself it if ran off of fat, which is what it did for thousands of years? Agriculture is fairly new. Meat is not.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7599220 - 11/05/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can't live on meat. Owsley Stanley "The Bear" had that theory and he's in poor health (though not as poor as your average victim of modern diet in a nursing home, I don't think) Vegetables have also been around since the dawn of time.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
#7599242 - 11/05/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does he exercise? Does he eat vegetables? Does he get enough fat? What's his family history like?
Vegetables ARE good sources of vitamins and minerals. I personally stay away from the starchier ones.
One could assume that early humans also ate them, but it probably was infrequent, and not as conventional as we eat them today.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7599254 - 11/05/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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PyroBurns said: One could assume that early humans also ate them, but it probably was infrequent, and not as conventional as we eat them today.
I heard that the idea that primitive man was a big hunter is largely glamorized. Apparantly they hunted a little, but were actually more often the hunted. Apprantly primitive man's diet consisted mainly of fruits, vegetables (especially the leafy ones), and nuts. The source of this information is a vegan thing, but you can't just dismiss it because of that.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
#7599269 - 11/05/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That still doesn't specify if that kind of living was optimal or not. And it still is similar to a high fat diet with leafy veggies (sans the fruit). Nuts have a high fat content.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7599279 - 11/05/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with you about grains being completely unnecessary.
Fruit has unique phytonutrients that vegetables don't contain, though. Sheesh, the body was meant to handle some sugar.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
#7599303 - 11/05/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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But not depend on it. Nowadays we can supplement with vitamins and skip all of the sugars in fruit. Or figure out how to moderate fruit into our diet.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7599346 - 11/05/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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PyroBurns said: Nowadays we can supplement with vitamins and skip all of the sugars in fruit.
I said fruit contains unique phytochemicals. The idea that all you need is what's in a multi-vitamin is a thing of the past. Foods contain all different kinds of phytochemicals a.k.a phytonutrients a.k.a. micronutrients, more and more of which are being discovered as time progresses.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
#7599362 - 11/05/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sugar like white refined sugar isn't healthy in large amounts. But sugars themselves are simpler forms of carbohydrates that are easily broken down into energy. Sure sugar's bad if you sit around and don't do anything (like those lardasses).
A well balanced diet with the proper amount of sugars, fats, protein, carbohydrates, etc. as well as being active is fine.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
#7599363 - 11/05/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would like to see how vital they are.
Still I don't think it's completely necessary to 100% drop fruit.
Personally, I highly limit it to maybe a few berries during the week. Then I can have whatever fruit I want on the weekend. It's just IMO that the more time spent in keto, the better.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7599418 - 11/05/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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PyroBurns said: I would like to see how vital they are.
Lots of scientists agree that antioxidants, for one, are very vital
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
#7599450 - 11/05/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah well we can get various ones from many many places.
Berries are jam packed with them, there's green tea, there's seaweed, etc..
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7599458 - 11/05/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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PyroBurns said: Berries are jam packed with them
Right, I said "fruits contain unique phytonutrients"; berries are at the top of my list.
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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
#7599498 - 11/05/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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See, people can still implement anti-oxidants into their diet without having to have fruitishly fruit. And there are even other choices.
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Edited by PyroBurns (11/05/07 06:02 PM)
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