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OfflineJon

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How bad is sugar?
    #6830401 - 04/25/07 12:57 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Im wondering this because recently I put alot of sugar in my diet, but I havent figured it out till months later. I add way too much sugar to my coffee. I can tell by how often I have to buy it. Well I always come back from work all pooped and I pass out, and I usually dont want to do anything that day.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Jon]
    #6831344 - 04/25/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Sugar tends to do that.  Your energy spikes and then crashes.  Caffeine can also drain your energy after the initial buzz fades.

Do you drink soda? There's way more in soda than even the most sugary coffee.

Try drinking coffee without sugar.  Once you go black, you never go back. :rimshot:


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #6833024 - 04/25/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Refined sugars aren't really too healthy for the body. Natural sugars, like the kind found in fruit are good for you.

*to original poster


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Newbie]
    #6833763 - 04/25/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

bad compared to what? the holocaust?

sugar (ALL kinds of sugars, not just refined sugars) has no nutritional value at all, raises your blood sugar, rots your teeth, and is most positively absolutely one of the most addictive substances on earth (try removing sugar from your diet for 2 weeks, see if you don't have a nasty withdrawal)- and the energy sugar provides, will always follow up with a crash.

now i wouldnt consider that bad, because it gives things flavor, but its way overdone, especially in the states.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
    #6833965 - 04/25/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

You forgot to mention that a diet high in refined sugar prematurely exhausts your pancreas, which results in Type 2 Diabetes.  It is also low-bulk and high-calorie, which are great qualities in a food if you WANT to be obese.  :grin:


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Veritas]
    #6834879 - 04/25/07 10:44 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Nasty stuff. Switch to unpasteurized honey for your coffee instead, or maple syrup. Even then you probably oughtta cut it down a bit. When you crave sugar, try a piece of fruit instead!


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Jon]
    #6835405 - 04/26/07 01:55 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Sugar is great, it's an easily available energy source, it doesn't make you fat and won't rot your teeth as long as you brush them.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
    #6835514 - 04/26/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I agree. Sugar is fucking evil. Look at all the disgusting lard asses that are insulin resistant in North America.

Since I've cut sugar from my diet, my libido shot up, my insulin sensitivity is the bomb (I don't put on fat as easy, I have more energy, etc), my skin has cleared up, etc. You don't need sugar at all.

If there's sugar in some sort of prepackaged food, so be it. I don't really add sugar to anything, and I eat mostly organic foods as it is. The only sugar I get is usually from milk. Fuck the stuff.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: browndustin]
    #6835656 - 04/26/07 05:39 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

just to add:

honey, syrup, and fruit sugar are not any better for you than refined sugar.

the only reason some say sugar from fruit is good, is because you have to eat the fruit to get to it, and other things in the fruit are good for you - but NOT the sugar.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Jon]
    #6835681 - 04/26/07 06:07 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Sugar is way addictive. Its a nice energy boost, but soon you'll crave more.

Look into natural alternatives such as xylitol or stevia.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
    #6836460 - 04/26/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I'd argue that honey and maple syrup are good for you, with reasonable moderation, because of other components in them as well, not necessarily the sugar itself. Good quality honey will contain some amount of propolis which is a great immune booster, bees make it to kill viruses and bacteria in thier hives. There are also a number of vitamins in it... the darker the honey, the better. Maple syrup also contains a substantial amount of manganese and zinc. So a teaspoon of either in your coffee is a pretty big step up from white sugar, and probably better for you than that coffee is!


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #6836953 - 04/26/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

hard to guage which posts are statistically significant, especially concerning the negative effects of sugar

Any published studies that back up these claims?


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #6838179 - 04/26/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Everything in moderation, of course. I appreciate honey for the myriad of antioxidants it contains. For some reason, it's just plain good for you.

But I don't advocate a diet with multiple servings of fruit each day. Everyone argues about how good it is, but no... they're in denial. A serving each day is fine, but no more than that. Fructose and other refined sugars aren't good for you, and you can get fiber and vitamins from so many other things. I don't think that ANYONE in North America should have a vitamin deficiency considering the amazingly huge array of produce and supplements available at low costs.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #6838276 - 04/26/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

NiamhNyx said:
I'd argue that honey and maple syrup are good for you, with reasonable moderation, because of other components in them as well, not necessarily the sugar itself. Good quality honey will contain some amount of propolis which is a great immune booster, bees make it to kill viruses and bacteria in thier hives. There are also a number of vitamins in it... the darker the honey, the better. Maple syrup also contains a substantial amount of manganese and zinc. So a teaspoon of either in your coffee is a pretty big step up from white sugar, and probably better for you than that coffee is!




yes, however it's not the honey that is good for you - it's the trace amounts of vitamins and minerals that happen to be in it as well - which can be found in other sources with much less, or no sugar at all.

amen to stevia, i have been using it for the past 2 years now. although i still use sugar when cooking, i wish there was a stevia that would caramelize.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
    #6840826 - 04/27/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Ive done quite a bit of reading about the subject of the years. I dont have any direct refferences to back this up but this stuff shows up consistantly one searches.

From what i know, processed sugar is bleached and concentrated which makes it more potent. Processed sugar (maybe non processed too) is actually classified as a very mild poision on the toxic scale. Im trying to remember specifically what scale im reffering to but im pretty sure its on an atomic level. Scientists dont consider it very dangerous in low amounts but if your eating large amounts everyday it will eventually add up.

Also from what i have read sugar right out of the cane actually does have a decent nutritional value but that is all lost after processing.

From experience, drinking coffee instead of soda with no sugar and cutting back on sugar in general is one of the best things i think ive done for my health. Its a huge comparison when i start getting back on them. Then theres also Diabetes.

I think sugar in general is just kind of stupid anyway. Look at the ingredients to most of your favorite chocolate bars and youll find that there is more sugar than cocoa in it. Its cheap, one flavor and easy to sell. Try eating some good sweetened dark chocolate (i like 70 to 80%) and youll find out what real chocolate sweet is. If im buying chocolate i want actual chocolate, not a bar of sugar with artificial flavorings. This concept goes for alot of foods. Some breads will have 2 grams of sugar per slice. Im sure a little sugar helps in general but i definately prefer bread that has real quality ingredients and dont have to hide boost flavor with something artificial. Then of course everything in a McDonalds meal is usually loaded with sugar.

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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: darnold]
    #6840836 - 04/27/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

A little unrelated but i thought i should bring it up.

Anyone know of the best alternative sugars to use like Nutri sweet? I cant get myself to switch to the alternatives because i worry that they are more dangerous and addictive then the sugar.

Danny


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: darnold]
    #6841169 - 04/27/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

sugars not bad. its good
too much sugar is bad
refined sugars are bad
eat fruit sweet things instead
naturally sweet from god
eat that


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: darnold]
    #6841593 - 04/27/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I mentioned earlier Stevia and Xylitol are great alternatives. I use xylitol all the time making cookies.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: Galvie_Flu]
    #6842817 - 04/27/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

i havent tried xylitol - how is it compared to stevia? I find stevia great for certain things, but it has a very distinct bitter aftertaste to it, and even when used lightly it's very strong - just the sweetness itself is different.

and regarding fruit, sugar cane, "natural sugars":

Sugar contains no nutrition. If we never had another teaspoon of dietary sugar in our entire lives, our nutritional health would not be affected in the slightest (if anything, it would be improved for the better). So from a health viewpoint sugar is 100% valueless - I would like to see someone that's able to provide a source that says otherwise.

finally, about NutriSweet, Splenda, Saccharin, Equal, etc. - these are all sweet. they are non-caloric like stevia and xylitol - however the main difference is that they are all created in laboratories, and all have shady backgrounds. Aspartame is another one linked to many central nervous system problems, and brain cancer. In fact, the only reason aspartame (Equal, NutraSweet, Canderel, many more) was approved by the FDA at all (and consequently, why stevia has not been approved) was because Donald Rumsfeld was good with Ronald Reagan, and Ronald Reagan appointed the new FDA commissioner. Oh yea, Rumsfeld was the CEO of the company producing Aspartame, which was later bought out by Monsanto.

if you know anything about Monsanto, you know where this is going. but I digress...


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
    #6842896 - 04/27/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Xylitol has a cooling effect when you put it directly in your mouth, or even when touching it.  I know what you mean about the aftertaste of stevia, its not quite as strong tasting as stevia is.  I just purchased some stevia leaf powder, greenish looking.

Xylitol is used in toothpaste (I use one with it), so it actually prevents cavities.


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