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Invisibleliamtheloser
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Re: Poll- Best Vermiculite Substitute [Re: creamcorn]
    #5879091 - 07/19/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, and CC, someone has been using that same potting soil in their PF cakes instead of vermiculite too... It colonizes a lot slower, but I'm sure if someone were to try to find the right moisture content it would work a lot bettttteeerrrrr...

and boy did I get pwned! rogerrabbit just ate my pwnsauce and spit it right back in my face. I better get my text book out, because I just got schooled.

Anyways, there's another one you can add to your list of possible verm subs... moisture control potting mix (or coir). It works when mixed with brf, but I haven't been able to get a good ratio (and I haven't played around with it too much just has some extra jars and extra room in the pc).


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Re: Poll- Best Vermiculite Substitute [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5879128 - 07/19/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well i use it as a verm substitute in casings.  its 60% peat with the rest being a mix of: "forest compost", coir, and some perlite (the perlite isn't much, you can count the bits of perlite on my casing surface with one hand), as well as a "wetting agent" whatever in the hell that is, and .21-.07-.14 fertilizer.  sooo... the jurys' out on the fertilizer.  doubtful it helps (although we know nitrogen, and phosphates, are good things for mushrooms, this isn't an organic source of them), doubtful it hurts, certainly hasn't encouraged contams on a casing layer like everyone was so certain it would... and thats a pretty low concentration of fertilizer.  i'm not a plant guy by any means but i think the numbers are usually whole numbers there, not less than 1.

buuut... the stuff might just work in a cake.  i might just try and see if i can contribute something useful to this thread. :smile:

P.S. I just looked up what a wetting agent was, and found  this  explanation, which sounds like a pretty desirable quality to me. :thumbup:


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Re: Poll- Best Vermiculite Substitute [Re: creamcorn]
    #5879228 - 07/19/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Looks great.


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Re: Poll- Best Vermiculite Substitute [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #6122894 - 10/01/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Has anyone tried substituting verm for hydrton(expanded clay pebbles), i was planning to try that by filling the jar up with them then adding powdered composted cow manure , brown rice, water, and shaking it up?


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Re: Poll- Best Vermiculite Substitute [Re: EFresh]
    #6802831 - 04/18/07 03:49 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

You guys! You guys! Ya gotta try this! I used Aerated Autoclaved Concrete instead of vermiculite and it WORKS! AAC holds a lot of water! It can be found everywhere! I bet the walls of your house are made out of it, too! Just replace it in PF tech.


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Re: Poll- Best Vermiculite Substitute [Re: Viper]
    #6821642 - 04/23/07 01:34 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Hello I am new to the forum, I read all the shroom info I could find and now am growing some PESA strain mycelium.

My method:
Vermiculite Sub: Schultz All-Purpose Soil Conditioner (Wilco/Fred Meyer) $5.99
Organic Brown Rice Flour (Fred Meyer by Organic foods/grains) $2
Tap Water $free
Widemouth Canning Jars (Fred Meyer) $9 (12pack)

My forumula for jars:
1/4 Cup Brown Rice Flour
1/3-1/4cup Water (start with 1/3 but a little water makes a BIG difference)
2/3 Cup Schultz Soil Conditioner

I put Schultz Conditioner in first, add water, then flour and stir till its moist but not sludgy.. you want the jars to have air in them not just be a big mess of sludge. Follow basic PFtek steps cause thats what I did.

I did 12 jars, i labeled them in the groups I pressure cooked (12psi cooker)

No contams

Group A is showing growth now and is going quick! (2days and its 1/3 mycelium)

Other then that, I recommend being sure that the jars are above water in the cooker, water got into some jars and threw them off balance and so I made a big pile of cakes and nocced it up to see what it does for fun lol.

Peace.

-bdiz


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