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Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist
    #6813833 - 04/20/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I hope they set a clear precedent and hang Yahoo out to dry!

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April 19, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Washington-based World Organization for Human Rights USA has filed a lawsuit against Yahoo Inc. for allegedly providing information to Chinese authorities that led to the persecution, torture and imprisonment of four Chinese dissidents.

The lawsuit was filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.

"We represent a dissident in China, Wang Xiaoning, and his wife, Yu Ling," said Theresa Harris, international justice project director at the World Organization. "His wife came to the U.S. because of the effects of Yahoo's disclosure of her husband's information. Based on the information that Yahoo provided to the Chinese authorities, her husband was convicted and sentenced to 10 years in prison and she is seeking justice here. She is looking to hold the corporation accountable for what happened to her family. Her husband did nothing wrong. He wrote his opinions and that's what he's been put in prison for."

Harris said Ling wants Yahoo to change its policy and to use its influence to help get the dissidents, who have been imprisoned based on information Yahoo turned over to the government, out of prison. Harris said Ling is also seeking unspecified damages as well as a court order to stop Yahoo from doing the same thing in the future.

According to the lawsuit, Yahoo's Hong Kong subsidiary (Yahoo HK) provided information to Chinese authorities that led to the imprisonment of Xiaoning, a writer, on charges of incitement to subvert state power, a human rights group said.

Wang was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment in September 2003, due in part to writings distributed over the Internet.

According to the lawsuit, the Chinese court specifically relied on evidence supplied by Yahoo to identify and convict Xiaoning. The judgment noted that Yahoo HK informed investigators that a mainland China-based e-mail account (bxoguh@yahoo.com.cn) was used to set up Xiaoning's "aaabbbccc" Yahoo Group, and that the e-mail address ahgq@yahoo.com.cn, which Xiaoning used to post e-mails to that Yahoo Group, was also a mainland China-based account maintained by Xiaoning. The Chinese court said Yahoo was instrumental in causing Xiaoning's arrest and criminal prosecution, according to the lawsuit.

Yahoo spokesman Jim Cullinan said Yahoo is distressed that citizens in China have been imprisoned for expressing their political views on the Internet.

"We call on the U.S. Department of State to continue making this issue of free expression a priority in bilateral and multilateral forums with the Chinese, as well as through other tools of trade and diplomacy, in order to help secure the freedom of these dissidents," he said.

Because Yahoo has not had time to review and analyze the lawsuit being filed today, Cullinan said it would be premature for the company to comment on the specifics of the case. "However, the concerns raised about the Chinese government compelling companies to follow Chinese law and disclose user information are not new," he said. "Companies doing business in China must comply with Chinese law or its local employees could be faced with civil and criminal penalties."

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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: Diploid]
    #6814700 - 04/21/07 01:41 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I guess its hard to comment without seeing the law their sued under, but how is it that yahoo can be sued for acts taken in china, directed by chinese law, and against chinese? Is it fair to sue them if their is not fair warning that american companies can face penalties for admitadly unethical and dispicable acts commited entirely in another country.

I don't, however; let Yahoo off the hook due to their claim that employees are subject to penalties in china. Why can't the US executives sequester the information so that its not available to those employees, thereby purging any contempt from them, as they couldn't access the information?

Obviously, the answer is because yahoo doen't want to pay fines, but I hate when companies lie so transparently and distort the issue to make it seem like their employees are at risk neccessarily- its insulting.

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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: malcom43]
    #6814968 - 04/21/07 06:36 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

how is it that yahoo can be sued for acts taken in china

Complicity.

If you give someone a gun knowing they're going to commit murder, you're complicit in the murder even though you didn't shoot anyone.

China has an established pattern of jailing, torturing, and killing people who criticize the government, not the least of which is the thousands of unarmed, peaceful demonstrators killed in Tiananmen Square in 1989.

Yahoo knew that China was asking for this guy's name for the purpose of torturing and imprisoning him to put down criticism of the government.

Just because the Chinese require Yahoo to turn over this information by law is no excuse. If Chinese law allowed child pornography, I doubt we would allow the Chinese version of Yahoo to index it, whether it's legal there or not.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: Diploid]
    #6815902 - 04/21/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6816144 - 04/21/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Well how about just the tiniest little bit of actual information about that lawsuit?

As to Yahoo in China either they abide by Chinese law or they get out. If they get a subpoena from a US court they would have to respond as well. This lawsuit almost certainly has zero chance of succeeding. Their beef is with China, not Yahoo, but they know they can't sue China. I'm sorry China does these things but Yahoo isn't complicit.


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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6816380 - 04/21/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6816387 - 04/21/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: Diploid]
    #6816398 - 04/21/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6816564 - 04/21/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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EntheogenicPeace said:
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Well how about just the tiniest little bit of actual information about that lawsuit?




Specific information regarding this particular case was summarized & displayed nicely in the posted article... there was nothing for me to add other than that I support the Chinese dissident(s), & oppose both Yahoo & the Chinese government.




I'm talking about the Burmese suit you referenced. It's an old suit so, what happened?

You can oppose Yahoo all you want, it doesn't change the fact that if they operate in China they have to obey Chinese law. The suit against Yahoo is pretty much legless. Nice try but bullshit. Now you have options to express your discontent with Yahoo. And Google too. Guess what they are.


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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6816648 - 04/21/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

it doesn't change the fact that if they operate in China they have to obey Chinese law

So how do you address the hypothetical I presented: say Chinese law requires Yahoo to catalog Chinese kiddy porn and so they do.

Would you call a lawsuit that attempts to hold Yahoo responsible 'legless' and 'bullshit'?


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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: Diploid]
    #6816672 - 04/21/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
it doesn't change the fact that if they operate in China they have to obey Chinese law

So how do you address the hypothetical I presented: say Chinese law requires Yahoo to catalog Chinese kiddy porn and so they do.

Would you call a lawsuit that attempts to hold Yahoo responsible 'legless' and 'bullshit'?




What the fuck are you talking about? Responsible for what? You can't sue someone for following a lawful order, and you can rarely sue someone for issuing one. Sheesh, the level of legal discourse here has reached a new low.


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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6816781 - 04/21/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Responsible for complicity in child pronography.

Now, can you answer my question?


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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: Diploid]
    #6816816 - 04/21/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

You wight try actually phrasing a question in terms that can be understood. I looked back through the thread to try to ascertain what the fuck you were talking about and found this:

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Just because the Chinese require Yahoo to turn over this information by law is no excuse. If Chinese law allowed child pornography, I doubt we would allow the Chinese version of Yahoo to index it, whether it's legal there or not.




Which isn't a question.

And this:

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So how do you address the hypothetical I presented: say Chinese law requires Yahoo to catalog Chinese kiddy porn and so they do.




Which is incomprehensible. So, maybe, just maybe, if you can organize your thoughts into some coherent semblance of an actual hypothetical question I will attempt to answer it. So far, the analogy of knowingly selling a gun to a person intent on committing an unlawful act is not relevant, seeing as how the only lawful act Yahoo could take was to turn over the records. Defying the order would be unlawful. Morally and ethically correct has no bearing in a court of law. The only choice Yahoo or any other company has is to not conduct business in China. I assume you, in your disgust, will forthwith refuse to do business with any company that has any dealings with China, because to do otherwise is to support the oppression and torture. I also know full well that you won't do any such thing because it is inconvenient.


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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6816858 - 04/21/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Which isn't a question.

C'mon. You're a smart guy. I don't buy that you're too dense to glean my meaning from what's been posted in this thread so far.

But alright. If you're just going to play dumb and give me a hard time instead of engage in a civil debate, I'll just drop it.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: Diploid]
    #6816910 - 04/21/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I'm serious. Pose your hypothetical. I can pretty much guarantee what I would say though. They can either follow the law or refuse to do business there. Now, are you going to refuse to do business with any company that does business with China? Because if not you are supporting the Chinese thugocracy.


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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6818549 - 04/22/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6818600 - 04/22/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6818660 - 04/22/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

So you would totally turn a blind eye to Chinese government abuses and trade cheating and counterfeiting just to assuage any guilt you feel at supporting them by having anything to do with them? Actually, that probably won't turn out real well for all the third world people who will suddenly have no jobs at all.


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Re: Yahoo Sued: Complicit In Chinese Torture Of Activist [Re: zappaisgod]
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