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The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread
    #6818863 - 04/22/07 01:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I went hunting down by my local river today and checked out last year's caerulipes spot...

It was HOT...

here are some pictures...

















They are kind of a pain in the ass to harvest without breaking them apart, as they love to bunch up like this under tightly woven weeds/underbrush.. It took me about an hour or two to cut each one individually.











and theres a baby agrocybe, which also fruit abundantly on the mulch.


Caerulipes are very beautiful, and sooo dank.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6818879 - 04/22/07 01:45 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, awesome haul!!

Maybe bring a grocery bag with handles next time. It's really convenient, and you won't have to store anything in plastic.

Thanks for sharing the photos, those are very interesting looking.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: CureCat]
    #6818891 - 04/22/07 01:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Congrats mustard man. This thread should be stickied as the official 2007 Bluefoot thread. :thumbup:


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6818932 - 04/22/07 02:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Very nice haul MustardMan! Sweeeeeeet! How are they on potency, compared to a cube?


Congrats :rockon:

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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #6818996 - 04/22/07 02:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

thanks guys.. I'm so excited..

Ice.. I usually eat an eighth of cubensis to have a nice trip, but I only eat about a gram or so of these guys.. Last year me and my friend just mixed about 7 or 8 of these small guys in some chili and did not return to reality for 7 hours... Lots of visuals; water flowing in wood, slate roofs, almost everything.. I even remember seeing spiders and other insects on my friends walls, which of course were not there... I never get such intense visuals off cubensis.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6819136 - 04/22/07 03:07 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Man, that looks so sweet! Congrats!!


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: nushroom]
    #6819158 - 04/22/07 03:12 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

awesome find!
I especially like that cute little picture of the baby agro... :smile: and of course the huge haul!


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6819175 - 04/22/07 03:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Stellar shroom hunt MustardMan.

Check your PM's about making this or another topic sticky for the Bluefoot season this year.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6819182 - 04/22/07 03:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Well lmao i guess were picking in the same spot. lmao. Yeah thats a good one but right around the corner........Well enjoy dude and pm me this week to smoke up. O and when your picking on the trail i hope you werent walking around with two big bags of mushrooms. Dont wanna blow this spot up my friend.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6819392 - 04/22/07 04:44 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Effing A. Nice haul bro.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6820055 - 04/22/07 07:55 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

man thats a really sick haul. Congrats.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: 2859558484]
    #6820294 - 04/22/07 08:45 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Don't worry sativa, no one even saw me :smile:

I could have sworn I saw a sign graffiti'd with 'Shroom Zone'. But I couldn't really read it, and I was mighty high.. We'll have to check it out later..

I can't believe there is such an abundance of these psilocybes--it is easier to find these in this spot than the occasional agrocybe or other LBM..


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6820314 - 04/22/07 08:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Spring Magic.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6820363 - 04/22/07 09:00 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

AWESOME :cool:

Nice find!

Is that a Black Beauty? She's real purdy too! :thumbup:


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #6820631 - 04/22/07 10:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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AWESOME :cool:

Nice find!

Is that a Black Beauty? She's real purdy too! :thumbup:




Thanks, its a gibson Les Paul Standard, guitar is great fun :smile:


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The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: psiclops]
    #6820834 - 04/22/07 11:00 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Renamed and made sticky.

This is now The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread.

Post away and try to include pics of your Bluefoot finds.

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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6821066 - 04/23/07 12:05 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Mustard man lets get this thread going and show em what virginia is all about. I dont have a camera right now, but im sure i can work it out. And just to be completly honest, i wouldnt of found em on the mulch if it werent for your finds today. Every time i go there i walk right past the mulch and into the woods. Not as many growing in the woods. I feel stupid not seeing em. Actually i was stepping on em every tim i went in. O and i have never seen clusters like that until i started peeling that nasty grass crap(omg im itchy right now) of the mulch.

So everyone go out and find em. (but stay safe and smart)


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: undersativaskies]
    #6821075 - 04/23/07 12:09 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

yeap sativa, thats where I find they grow in abundance. The mulchy debris underthe underbrush. I believe the weedy underbrush is critical to these mushrooms survival, because otherwise they get burnt up in the sun. This is why I try to simply move the weeds aside, instead of pulling them up like I did last year. I think this will help keep the patches blooming...

I clipped all the mushrooms I picked with scissors, so Im hoping they will re-grow in a week or two. Pray for rain :smile:


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6821135 - 04/23/07 12:22 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Well my room mate fucked the grass up a lil today. I bitched em out and made him fix it lmao.At least i made him use scissors and told him to leave pins. I left a shit load. Im going in the morning for round two.hell ill even throw a gallon of water on it for us. O and check around the corner where the lil dam is at. You wont be let down. And the caps at the mulch spot are huge compared the woods right next to it. o and i like fat women


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: undersativaskies]
    #6825302 - 04/24/07 12:32 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

wow! nice, I live in northern WV, Its rainig right now, so i am going to head out the creek the first good day we get, I have some B.F.s in my flower bed, small ones tho, very small, but still worth the time to pick.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: tjones381]
    #6826498 - 04/24/07 09:38 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Hello all, I live in Northern WV and I'm wondering if anyone up this way has encountered the first blue foot of the season??


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    #6828085 - 04/24/07 05:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Hey it seems really early to find blue foot. I have found them in Michigan but not until early June and after 75-80 degree weather, humid, and rainy. Do they normally come up that early or are you just further south than me. Also I have one question for anyone here: Without all the scientific jargon, can anyone distinguish the differences between p. caerulipes and p. ovoideocystidiata? They are both referred to as bluefoot. Does one have a different colored cap, longer stem, smaller cap? or whatever? Do they grow in the same types of substrate along streams in wood debris and soil/ mud/ sand like caerulipes does? thanks.


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    #6828581 - 04/24/07 07:58 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Well, it has been in the upper 70's to mid 80's, and has rained a lot in the past few weeks here in VA, so I guess it's just because I am more southward.


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    #6829679 - 04/25/07 12:19 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'm in West Virginia, so yeah I am a little more southern than you, and this is usually around the time they start to pop up. I've never found one in the Morgantown area, only up near Bethany and down towards Parkersburg. But I'm betting on a few spots around here that I think will be big producers. Guess we'll just have to wait and see


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Re: Michigan [Re: rastausty]
    #6830133 - 04/25/07 01:55 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

are blue foots known too grow in sw pa?


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    #6830230 - 04/25/07 02:14 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

you wont know until you look.


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Re: Michigan [Re: nk pakelika]
    #6830831 - 04/25/07 08:11 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yah, I'm pretty sure you could find bluefoots in SW PA, as it is relatively in the same area as Wheeling. I suggest checking out ShroomyDan's Bluefoot threads from last spring, and take note on the habitat pics. Use these pictures as a guide and keep your eyes out for areas such as ;river valleys, 100 year flood plains, the convergence of two streams. Hope this helps , and happy hunting


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Re: Michigan [Re: rastausty]
    #6832064 - 04/25/07 02:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

thanks, and it should im gonna look for his blue foot thread now.


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Re: Michigan [Re: nk pakelika]
    #6832492 - 04/25/07 03:29 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

well after some careful reading, and research i think i may already know a few locations where i could look. ill keep yinz posted on my finds. oh and good luck too all!


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Re: Michigan [Re: rastausty]
    #6833154 - 04/25/07 05:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Shroomery Dan's Mushrooms are not the real blue foot. They are actually Psilocybe ovopideocystidiata, a new speci9es separate form Psilocybe caerulipes (the blue foot of gary Lincoff.

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Shroomy Dan's images of a bluing Psilocybe with a persistent blue veil is common in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and West Virginia..

The Blue Foot, P. caerulipes is common in Michigan, southern Ontario along the US border and form Ohio to the esast coast and from New York to South Carolina.

See Falcon's thread in the shroom Hunting forum for the ID and mj's thread on the id of this species of Dan's

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Re: Michigan [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6833324 - 04/25/07 06:41 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

ahhhh... I see. Thanks a bunch MJ that is a real help. I just couldn't really interpret the terminology used by Guzman's analysis. I got a good conception from what you said though. Hope I come across some of these new ones this summer! that would be a cool find. Thanks again. peace


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Re: Michigan [Re: MichiganPsiloX]
    #6838575 - 04/26/07 10:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The common name used locally for P. ovoideocystidiata is "bluefoot". That's what people in the Ohio Valley call them, so I think it is Ok to call them that here as well.

The offical taxonomical name for these mushrooms is of secondary importance, because whether we say P. ovoideocystidiata, P. caerulipes, or bluefoot, we are talking about the same kind of mushroom.


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Re: Michigan [Re: shroomydan]
    #6839077 - 04/27/07 12:26 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Dan -

Did you just say that P. ovoideocystidiata == P. caerulipes? Or did I misunderstand?

I recently wrote wikipedia articles on both those mushrooms. If anyone here can add any more info or pictures I would really appreciate it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_caerulipes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_ovoideocystidiata


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Re: Michigan [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #6840086 - 04/27/07 09:20 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The taxonomical question concerning Bluefoot is a philosophy of language problem. In fact, I'm writing a masters thesis on the question.

The system of binomial nomenclature that originated with Aristotle assumes two false premises.

1) Species are fixed, distinct, and eternal.

2) Living organisms to be classified have two parents.



The first is false in general, and the second is false for mushrooms that can have tens of thousands of parents.

With each mushroom producing billions of spores, and with thousands of genetically distinct spores coming together to form a single colony, evolution moves mush faster with mushrooms than with plants and animals. Consequently, the edges between species, which are always a little fuzzy become positively blurry in kingdom fungi.

Whether or not Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata and Psilocybe caerulipes are actually two distinct species turns on whether or not the one classifying them is an essentialist or a nominalist. Hard essentialism was defeated by Darwin who showed that species evolve into other species, but it seems to me that Guzman is taking an essentialist view when splitting taxon. Essentialism is OK, laudable even, provided that clear and distinct differentia are cited for justifying the claim that one species is distinct from another, but it is not clear to me that clear and distinct differentia have been provided.

Guzman's split seems to hang on the existence of a persistent annulus in P. ovoideocystidiata which is not present in P. caerulipes, but this is simply not the case. I do not know if I have ever seen P. caerulipes. I do know that I have found thousands of Bluefoot (that is what folks in wheeling call them) and very few have an annulus at all. In cultivated specimens, the annulus is obvious but only persists for a few hours. I do not think Guzman's claim about the persistent annulus is supported by empirical data, and I do not think it can be considered an essential difference between P. caerulipes and P. ovoideocystidiata.

Nominalism, on the other hand, is concerned not with essences but with names assigned by man. It is a pragmatic approach to taxonomy that assigns names to classes of similar objects without concerning itself with the essences of things.

When I say they are the same kind of mushroom, I mean that both look the same, taste the same, smell the same, and produce the same effect when ingested. Regardless of the Latin binomials assigned by old college professors, they are the same kind of mushroom.


Even if Guzman is right. Even if caerulipes and ovoideocystidiata are essentially different species of the genus Psilocybe, they share the common name "bluefoot" and for all practical purposes are the same kind of mushroom.


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Re: Michigan [Re: shroomydan]
    #6840607 - 04/27/07 12:30 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Michigan [Re: Psychoslut]
    #6840732 - 04/27/07 01:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Wow thats pretty cool. The same kind of mushroom, but not the same exact mushroom. So if it was not for the existence of a persistent annulus in P. ovoideocystidiata then they would be the same exact mushroom?


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Re: Michigan [Re: shroomydan]
    #6840867 - 04/27/07 01:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

HI Shroomy Dan and Others.

While the original bluefoot mushroom, P. caerulipes was labeled as bluefoot, several years of posting here,members here have picked P. ovoideocystidiata and they also labeled the collections as bluefoot, But only because they believed the species to be P. caerulipes. The epithetof 'blue foot' That would then be proper.

However, here is another point of view concerning a nickname for P. stunztii. Since Blue Ringer is an epithet used when referring to Psilocybe stuntzii. It later became a nickname for two other similar species, P. fimetaria, a rare dung inhabiting shroom found originally in manure in a pasture, but is more common on manured fertilized lawns in the PNW is also referred to as a blue ringer and so is P. sierrae, a similar shroom, also form pastures but rare in a pasture and comnon on a lawn. All three of those latter species have a persistant annulus on the stem where the cap breaks open.

But members here do not refer to P. ovoideocystidiata as a blue ringer.

So Blue foot can be an appropriate nickname for P. Ovoideocystidiata.

Now on another note regarding Dan's comments above about P. ovoideocystidiata and P. caerulipes.

Dr. Guzmán's taxonomic paper also separates the spores by their sizes from P. caerulip0es and P. ovoidocystidiata.

Here in a letter to me is a simpler explanation as to his judgement.

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Dear John Allen:

Attached I am sending to you the new paper on the description of Psilocybe ovoideocistidiata Guzman & Gaines from Pennsylvania. As I said you, this species is the same that Dan Molter found is West Virginia. The differences of this species with P. caerulipes are several, as the presence of annulus and mainly the spores (form and size). Without discussion, both Pennsylvania and West Virginia are not P. caerulipes. I am sorry.

I am very busy with other several species from USA, Canada, Central and South America, Antillean, Indonesia and Australia. As you see, I have a lot of work.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU RECEIVED THIS MAIL.


Best regards

Dr. Gaston Guzman




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Re: Michigan [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6841766 - 04/27/07 05:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Here are a few pictures of spore samples from these mushrooms ShroomyDan found.
The spores are mounted in nutrient supplemented water so hopefully in a few days we can see hyphae formation if anyone is interested... I should take a few pictures with a stain as well, and damnit I need to get on ordering a new bottle of immersion oil.

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Thanks George :laugh:

I wounder if anybody knows where we could find photos of  P. caerulipes spores for comparison. A clear and distinct difference in spore size and shape would convince me of Guzman's position.


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    #6842003 - 04/27/07 06:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I am posting here an SEM of P. ovoideocystidiata, one of several by my colleague Prakitsin and me, from the university in Bangkok. This image is cropped from a larger image


Right now I am trying to obtain a copy of the original Alexander H. Smith Photograph of P. caerulipes, published in his book, a Field Guide to Eastern USA Mushrooms. I have emailed his daughter and my colleague in Bangkok is trying to get a a few samples through his Schedule one permit of a few specimens from the original collections of the P. caerulipes on deposit at the U of Michigan.

That may take several months of mail.

I also have now, chemical analysis of P. caerulipes from the late 1960s, for comparative analysis to my current analysis of Dan's shrooms, as noted, and which will appear in a forth-coming paper by Gartz, Me, Dan And Prakitsin from Bangkok.

Adn a few other poiints of interest I want to make note of here are those who want all mushrooms to have DNA sequencing performed.

\HEre is a big problem. Currently there are over 200 psilocybian mushrooms worldwide,

While a large number are on deposit at the U of mexico and at XAL in Xalapa, dozens more are in various university herbariums and other institutions of higher learning.

To even obtain a single specimen, one has to provide a DEA permit to study them. That is something that few people can obtain who are into DNA sequencing research. And if one did get a permit, that does not mean he would be about to obtain the 200 different specimens scattered cross the world which they would need to perform such a project for any school.

I and my colleagues just performed DNA sequencing for 8 mushrooms. Already, about 7 species have been reclassified as Psychedelia as their family name by John-Marc Moncalvo and Rytas Vilgalys, Scott A. Redhead and Orson K. Miller and 10 opther authors, et al. But they did not study any of the other known Mexican or world species after 6 years since they wrote their first paper on the DNA of hallucinogenic Psilocybe species.

Watling did DNA sequencing of P. semilanceata but did not publish much data except that he wrote that he performed DNA on that species. However, Moncalvo et al, and I and my colleagues also did the DNA sequencing of P. semilanceata.

So there really uis not a lot of mycologists studying the Psilocybe species because of a lack of a DNA permit to obtainthe materials from other herbariums.

Thus the normal taxonomy is still applied to most shrooms for identification based on spores and other microscopic and macroscopic specifics.

If one attempted to study one or two species then someone in a department at a particular university might be able to obtain a permit to get samples from other herbariums.

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Re: Michigan [Re: shroomydan]
    #6843979 - 04/28/07 03:49 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I know I probably post these pictures way too much, but what the - hey!

This is pretty much what you're saying?

-Because of some mynoot, macro. differences, these two "seperate species'" should not be claimed as indeed seperate species' (specii? lol).

Like these pictures, below, of P. cyanescens.







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    #6846487 - 04/28/07 09:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I find this situation interesting. I cant wait to see what the final outcome is. I find the debating of the ID to be very professional, however this topic does have a sort of "turf war" aire about it. In any case kuddos to Shroomy Dad and MJ on the plethora of outstanding data on both species.

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    #6846968 - 04/28/07 11:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

those last two pics dont look like cyans psiclops, they look like subaeriganosa to me. Then again I dont live out there but are you sure? doesnt really matter...


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    #6847045 - 04/28/07 11:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

what is the habitat for P. caerulipes?
i hear they live in michigan so i need to hit that up.
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    #6847363 - 04/29/07 01:04 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Phishhead, they couldn't possibly be Subbs, because I found them here in the PNW, but that is just support for my point that one species can have several macroscopic appearances. They are all P. cyanescens found in Seattle and surrounding sub-cities.


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    #6847808 - 04/29/07 02:57 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

check out the pictures in his bluefoot thread last year of the habbitat and read the post when you find the pic's thats what i did, i havent went hunting yet cause of poor weather here, but i have a pretty good idea of the habitat of them and what not now from doing that.


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    #6849385 - 04/29/07 02:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Subbs grow in the pnw. Ive seen plenty of posts of people finding them out there...


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    #6849489 - 04/29/07 03:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Psilocybe subaeruginosa? I think you must be confused. That species is very similar to cyanescens, but has not been claimed to grow in PNW bro. The NSW thread is New South Whales.


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    #6849511 - 04/29/07 03:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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check out the pictures in his bluefoot thread last year of the habbitat and read the post when you find the pic's thats what i did, i havent went hunting yet cause of poor weather here, but i have a pretty good idea of the habitat of them and what not now from doing that.





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    #6849629 - 04/29/07 04:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Regarding my posting of the paper on P. ovoideocystidiata, One of the authors asked me to remove the printed locations of the mushrooms he deposited at several herbariums.

Here is my reply concerning such text.

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mj wrote:

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I should i like to inform everyone reading this text that one of the authors wrote to me t and asked me to remove the locations provided in the article as to where he found his collections. While I normally do not do this, I can only say if you want to know where those collections came form then you would have to purchase a reprint of the article from Begell house Publishers for the International Journal of Medicinal Mushrooms. I will also say that I do not believe that hundreds of people would flock to his listed locations because they are in areas which spread for miles and miles.





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Re: Michigan [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6851620 - 04/30/07 01:10 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Today I visited some of my patches and found fruits at only one of four checked. Last year this patch fruited a few weeks before the others; I don't know why. I was happy to see them. :smile:

 


There was a galerina or three in the mix.






I put this morel in the bag with a few bluefoot specimens I collected for herbarium deposit. Note the bluing on the stem.



If the blue from the cut stem of a psilocybe can bleed over unto a morel, then perhaps it could bleed onto a galerina if one inadvertently makes its way into a bag.

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    #6851835 - 04/30/07 01:45 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Wonderful pics as always Dan, hopefully more are coming. Patch looks very healthy in those pictures, so this is an early fruiter patch huh? How far away is it from the other locations? Maybe it has to do with elevation.


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    #6851864 - 04/30/07 01:51 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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    #6851887 - 04/30/07 01:55 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

dammit Dan I cant find them.you are very fortunate master Dan.


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    #6854605 - 04/30/07 07:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

wow nice pics ...i gotta find em'


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    #6854824 - 04/30/07 08:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

It was such a nice day today I decided to check a couple of my bluefoot patches and found fruits at one of them. I ended up just grabbing enough for my upcoming camping trip**, and found some Yellow Morels also. I am wondering if these are P. caerulipes or P. ovoideocystidiata. These were found in close proximity to Clarksburg, WV. Will post some habitat pics later.....but enjoy these in the mean time.









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    #6855317 - 04/30/07 10:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Nice!

I love seeing all these bluefoot's from different areas :smile:

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Re: The Official 2007 Blue foot thread [Re: MustardMan]
    #6855534 - 04/30/07 11:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I went out the creek in an attempt to find the first blue foots, I went to an area where people say to hunt, but for two years now I have found none at this spot. I thought I had found some , but the mushrooms i found were not B.f.s.

However the blue foots the grow in my front yard have been coming up for two weeks, small but about 150 have come up. Gradually they are getting bigger each new set that comes up, they are on AVG the size of a quarter. and i have now picked 150 or so caps.

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    #6855870 - 05/01/07 12:10 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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so this is an early fruiter patch huh? How far away is it from the other locations? Maybe it has to do with elevation.




No difference in elevation, all the patches I checked were within ten miles of each other and less than a mile from the Ohio River.


I found this lone specimen today in a new location about forty miles north of the Ohio river in southern Ohio, about a three hour drive from my other patches. I think bluefoot is quite wide spread.

 


These Polyporus squamosus were nearby.









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    #6855932 - 05/01/07 12:23 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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    #6856192 - 05/01/07 01:06 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

dan those polypores are edible aren't they...i just found some today as well...


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huh why not the whole thing..


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    #6856565 - 05/01/07 03:33 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

the closer to the wood the more tough and woody they become,kind of like how chicken of the woods is.


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    #6858753 - 05/01/07 05:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

wow i am still amazed how you guys in WV and OH find these crazy loads of blue foot already and here in MI the only thing out right now are inky caps. THAT IS IT.- it doesn't seem like you guys would get a ton more days of hot weather than here in southeast MI to the point that blue foot appear a whole month earlier than us. but thats pretty cool. later


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    #6858809 - 05/01/07 05:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

hey i found on of those orange oyster looking mushrooms...shroomydan what are those called?


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    #6858864 - 05/01/07 05:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

yea i took a break from studying for exams and took a walk along the Red Cedar but only found one patch of inky caps and also a few very very young what appeared to be gym's. Also I found these really weird bright red fungi's that had purple staining on the outer edges!- it had no gills though and def. looks nothing like an edible or active. Does anyone know if there are red pluteus species? or some type of gym? I need to invest in a digi cam. later.


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    #6859782 - 05/01/07 09:41 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

you are lucky to have even that, in near alpena all we have is a few morales, nice but not active.


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    #6860000 - 05/01/07 10:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Dont live in bluefoot territory but have a question...you speak of bluefoots growing in patches so is it like morels where they come up around the same area year after year or is it the style (clusters) they grow in...im moving to virginia and am extremly excited going to be in the southern part but want to know when seasone comes around can i just take to the woods and follow some creeks like usual ordo i have to know were these patches grow>??


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    #6860583 - 05/02/07 12:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I live in Middle Tennessee...and in the mushroom FAQ, it reads that caerulipes grow in TN.  I went searching for these the other day (found pluteus instead on my trek home after giving up hope for blue foot) and realized I had no idea where to look except "near creeks".

I don't suppose anyone could give me a few pointers on where to search or a good estimate on the likeliness of me actually finding these wonderful treasures in my area...

Someone also recently told me I should just be looking in pastures for actives in TN...I have my doubts I'd find anything though.. I usually don't have a negative attitude about things, but mushrooms have been rare for me :frown:  I have only tripped once, and that was this last August.  I've been seeking them ever since... :|


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    #6861885 - 05/02/07 09:03 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Do a search for Caerulipes and check out some of ShroomyDan's pics from last year. He has some great habitat pics that should help you on your way to bluefoot. Basically look for low lying areas near a river that flood easily (ie:floodplains), birch and beech trees, and steep sloping hills that form a river valley.


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    #6862203 - 05/02/07 11:48 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Did the research on its habitat and such, and now I have a better idea where to look. I'm going out right now! It looks like it may rain though..hmm....

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    #6863094 - 05/02/07 04:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Does it have to be right by a river. Or will a natural creek or stream work also. I have a river in my town but it's supper polluted.


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My efforts were in vain today...4 hours of searching with nothing to show for it but plenty of sweat and a tired body.


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    #6863511 - 05/02/07 05:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Or will a natural creek or stream work also

Yes, look for creeks and streams that have wooded hills on either side. Creeks that sit not that much lower than their banks, that wind and split and change course every so often. Look for creek that sit between hills, but the creek itself is in a sort of flat space between the hills. Look for Sycamore trees, Sycamores need the same kind of habitat to grow as bluefoots. Once in a while you will find a Sycamore up hill or in a steep ravine, but not often. Look for steams and creeks that overflow and leave woody debri in the greenery of their banks.


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    #6864575 - 05/02/07 09:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

that pretty much describes the river that flows a few blocks from my house! but i don't think that sycamore trees grow around here, do they grow in Michigan?


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    #6864636 - 05/02/07 10:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

> I wounder if anybody knows where we could find photos of P. caerulipes spores for comparison. A clear and distinct difference in spore size and shape would convince me of Guzman's position.

P. caerulipes spores are available here:

http://mushroomsfmrc.com/sporebank.html

I made this P. caerulipes range map today - Does it look accurate?


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From what I could glean from the web, Sycamores grow on the lower half of Lower Michigan.


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    #6864881 - 05/02/07 11:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

AWESOME!!!!!! WV Blue Foot season is IN YES!! 12 blue foots found today on my jog and 9 morels, I only spent 15 mints looking. I usually stop to see whats growing in this one area along the creek. I have attempted to find some BFs here before but no luck till now. The BF and morels were 10 ft from each other.

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    #6865349 - 05/03/07 12:33 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Rockefeller, i looked at your range map, I doubt caerulipes extend into the UP of Michigan, nonetheless North of Lake Superior. But SE MICHIGAN has em'. peace


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Re: Michigan [Re: MichiganPsiloX]
    #6866947 - 05/03/07 12:45 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

MichiganPsilox asks Alan Rockerfeller
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Rockefeller, i looked at your range map, I doubt caerulipes extend into the UP of Michigan, nonetheless North of Lake Superior. But SE MICHIGAN has em'. peace




P. caerulipes grows in southern Ontario and upper state New York south to North Carolina. A. H. Smith has dozens of collections in the herbarium at the U of Mich. And two separate collections by Guzman from Mexico.

The question is does P. ovoideocystidiata grow in upper Michigan. So far it is only collected in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

As for spores from P. caerulipes, I will have some by summer. I doubt that Steven Peele's Florica Mycology Research Center has spores that are P. caerulipes and believe he obtained spores from someone who collected in Ohio, Penn or W. Virgina.

His spore prints are like a quarter inch wide and half an inch long, so I would not buy P. caerulipes from Steve..

Regarding your map Alan,

I decided to post this as well as in the post on the forums.

Your map is very incorrect and i seem to notice lately a lot of people posting misinformation at Wikipedia on psilocybe mushrooms and their world wide distribution.

P. caerulipes is not deposited in any herbarium from any mushrooms collected south of North Carolina. And it is known of in southern Ontario, Canada and upper New York, but you have states listed on you map which are not valid by herbarium deposits whatsoever.

You might want to go back and read A. H. Smith and Singers list of deposited herbarium collections for P. caerulipes, but you should note to those in Wikipedia that a lot of the Ohio, Penns, and W. virginia collections are not p. caerulipes but P. ovoideocystidiata.

I posted an SEM (against the advice of my colleagues uin Bangkok) of the spoeres of P. ovoideocystidiata. If you know you mycology and biolgy and botany then you can use my Scanning Electron Mycroscopy image of P. ovoideocystidiata to differentiate them from P. caeerulipes when I have spores to show comparison. Right now you could compare them to the tiny spores made form the little microscopic images of the ones posted in the thread.

I already have chemical analysis and DNA confirmation for P. ovoideocystidiata and also have 3 collections coming this summer to Bangkok of some of the original collections from Michigan of P. caerulipes and a photo coming from Nancy Smith Weber of the original foto of P. caerulipes taken by her father from A. H. Smiths out of print Guide to Eastern USA Mushrooms.


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Re: Michigan [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6869586 - 05/03/07 11:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Okay,

a bit of good news came to me today.

Several pieces of good news and one of bad. First the good news.

I just obtained the permission from the U of Mich for some DNA specimens of their original P. caerulipes mushrooms and for some samples for SEM work and a few for chemical analysis, and a spore culture to look at the spores separately from, the SEM, although we already have a 1959 chemical analysis of P. caerulipes by Leung and Paul.

This could take some time, possibly a few months. I am also waiting on the DNA for the P. semilanceata.

Bad news, Louisiana is preparing a bill listing all Panaeolus, Psilocybe and Amanita muscaria mushrooms and their spores as illegal in their state. included in their list of spores is Ipomoea violacea. Stupid Louisiana legislature does not know those are perennial plants. Not shroom spores.

And they apparently do not know that Ipomoea violacea is the morning glory vine, not a producer of mushrooms.

So I will irritate them with a letter of correctness for their stupidity.

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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: MustardMan]
    #6871967 - 05/04/07 01:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Four kids busted picking the P. ovoideocystidiata in Weirton, West Virginia; See Below:\

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Kids Caught Picking Hallucinogenic Mushrooms

http://www.wtrf.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=23419

WEIRTON -- Four people have been arrested for picking hallucinogenic Psilocybin mushrooms.

These mushrooms could harm or even kill someone if used improperly, police said.

WTRF's news cameras went into the woods with authorities and spotted the mushrooms right away.

Police warn if you get caught picking them you will be arrested.

The mushrooms are narcotics and considered the same as heroin or LSD, according to police.




mj, I wrote to the news station and debunked some of their comments to them. Hope they reply. Most never do.


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6872361 - 05/04/07 03:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck way to close to home.. i might even be done picking.. its not worth it.. around here the cops are just too crazy about ppl picking bluefoots..


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: psilotatsic]
    #6873941 - 05/04/07 11:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I have a question regarding P. caerulipes. The species was orginally listed as a fall mushroom. After all of the finds of P. ovoideocystidiata in the spring people are know claiming P. caerulipes is a spring mushroom. Of course the claim was made when everyone thought P. ovoideocystidiata was P. caerulipes. Mj do you think P. caerulipes is accutally a fall mushroom, or do you think it is a spring mushroom like P. ovoideocystidiata.


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: jeverden]
    #6875194 - 05/05/07 06:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

yah i need to now to..if i find a batch of both..who would buy theses spores?


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: strangladesh]
    #6876099 - 05/05/07 03:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Both species share the same season.

May to about September

WE are currently waiting on specimens to arrive in bangkok, just ordered to do the comparitive DNA sequencing of both, spore images and chemical analysis.

I will see that Workman also gets a spore supply of the P. caerulipes specimesn to cultivate

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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: MustardMan]
    #6881536 - 05/06/07 08:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Scallopy edged bluefoot found today.





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    #6881547 - 05/06/07 08:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

These are powerful mushrooms! Be wary!

One of my friends, who has tripped shrooms at least 20 times before, took about 3 grams of my caerulipes last friday, and got so high that he became nearly comatose, and his friend had to (well he probably shouldn't have) take him to the ER.

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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: MustardMan]
    #6881810 - 05/06/07 09:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

For all who live by the appalacian mountains...

I moved there and i know a lot about bloofoots just by reading up..
anyway where i live is about 3000 foot elavation and is in the western part of virginia...going to virginia tech for school next year so thats exactly were its at...
Anyway this area was foothills and mountains all around and its beutiful..but i wonder if the elavation and the fact im in the mountains more will effect the chances of me finding bluefoots. or vis versa.....does it increase my chances..??
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Re: Michigan [Re: jccc]
    #6882038 - 05/06/07 10:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I went down to MustardMan's spot on Thursday after a pretty big rain; no magic mushrooms unfortunately, we combed the whole field. Oh well, maybe next time.


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Re: Michigan [Re: HillbillyThoth]
    #6882451 - 05/07/07 12:17 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Should these be popin up in michigan yet?


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: falcon]
    #6882653 - 05/07/07 12:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Those look like Psilocybe baeocystis


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: shroomydan]
    #6882957 - 05/07/07 02:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Some Bluefoot:







Some morels:




Some impostors:







In the last Photo, the mushrooms on the right are bluefoot and the mushrooms on the left are an unknown species that looks like blue foot from the top and feels like bluefoot, but does not smell like bluefoot or have a blue foot.
All the impostor were growing in amongst the bluefoot, except for the verpa which was fond within six inches off a morel.


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: shroomydan]
    #6882970 - 05/07/07 02:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

awesome.still no luck.


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: shroomydan]
    #6883463 - 05/07/07 08:28 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Dan those really do not look anything like a baeocystis.

Here are some images of baeos/











And intense blueing in normal sized shrooms and one larger specimen.



While they are lawn shrooms here is one from Cardboard form Bellingham a few years back.

The caps have a small nipple at the top and the caps resemble, slightly a liberty cap cap, while Falcons has a large umbo in the center and very thick stems compared to most baeos.

Remember that the pleated cap edges are a common characteristic of the genus Psilocybe

Cardboards Baeos were smaller ones from wood chipped mulch and top soils,



while cyanshamans are from a lawn.



Here is one more of mine from the 1990s. Again observe the tiny i nipple on the top center of the ap and trhe long cap hanging down, Although sometimes they do have a larger cap with smaller edges and pleats.



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    #6883609 - 05/07/07 09:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: The_Appalachain]
    #6884205 - 05/07/07 01:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: strangladesh]
    #6884708 - 05/07/07 03:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Do some walking and go look.

No one is going to show you there private plots.

You need to get out and walk around every day. Do not forget they also grow n garden beds in public places as well as along streams and river banks. They come in with mulched gardens and fertilizers spread in those land areas.

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    #6885006 - 05/07/07 05:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I went down to MustardMan's spot on Thursday after a pretty big rain; no magic mushrooms unfortunately, we combed the whole field. Oh well, maybe next time.




I got some other spots that are still blooming :cool:


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: MustardMan]
    #6885751 - 05/07/07 08:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I went down to MustardMan's spot on Thursday after a pretty big rain; no magic mushrooms unfortunately, we combed the whole field. Oh well, maybe next time.




I got some other spots that are still blooming :cool:




Yeah man I'm definitely gonna go on a hunt after the next big rain.  Only next time I'll bring a lot of grass so we can have a little more fun and search for longer without getting bored :smile:


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: strangladesh]
    #6885801 - 05/07/07 08:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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blue foots Fruiting in michigan yet???????????????????????????????????




I've found *nothing* so far. Granted this is my first time going out around these woods, so I'm not sure if I'll find anything. But I've found a total of 2 mushrooms out there...so I think I just need more time.


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: AzureStars]
    #6887492 - 05/08/07 02:09 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Not much of anything is fruiting in michigan. We need more rain and warmer nights, it has been getting cold during the night. I found some inky caps and a few other mushrooms but nothing is really popping up yet. I think it will be a few weeks before the bluefoot is out here.


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: jeverden]
    #6889586 - 05/08/07 05:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Today I found the mother load of Blue foots!!!!!!  They were growing on a wood chip pile in a campground.  I almost pooped myself I was so excited.  They look very similar to Cyans in the way that they bruise.  This collection here was maybe a quarter of the patch.  A cop drove in the park while the wife and I were picking so we decided that after he left we should probably get out of there with out getting greedy..

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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: Boomers420]
    #6889918 - 05/08/07 07:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Here are some bluefeet growing in California near my home. They are not wild.






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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: baycafe]
    #6890687 - 05/08/07 10:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Lmao these buggers are sooo much fun. Ive fed all my friends.... They love em. I did my fair share of eating em too. So mustard man Do you think its weird that at the feild spot on the mulch, The caps are huge. I found one there yesterday that weighed about 34gs wet. Ive been munching on it for the past 5 minutes. O and im prolly not gonna go back to the feild spot ever again mustard man so I raped it yesterday. I left alot of pins but i wouldnt go back there again. Im tired of having to explain to joggers that im doing school work for uva. Although it is pretty fun to lie about being in college. O and there are some hot asians at that spot.


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: baycafe]
    #6891498 - 05/09/07 01:05 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: shroomydan]
    #6893507 - 05/09/07 01:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

We just got a good rain up here in michigan...so im thinking ill go out looking tommarow...i found a spot were the county takes the trimmings from trees and mulches in up in a gravel pit...there are so many wood chips it not even funny...i think this place is going to be THE SPOT....


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: strangladesh]
    #6894593 - 05/09/07 07:48 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Is it by a river or stream then it would be the spot.


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: jeverden]
    #6900436 - 05/11/07 03:03 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Tomorrow is the day, I'm goin on a mega hunt to document the habitat of Bluefoot. Got the Digital Camera Charged and ready, be prepared for some eye candy.


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Re: The Official 2007 Bluefoot thread [Re: rastausty]
    #6901672 - 05/11/07 12:55 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

large pond and with some running water...lots of chips and logs covered in moss...


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    #6905109 - 05/12/07 08:57 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Northern WV here. I was out last week hunting in my usual spots but as I thought it was still a little too cold at night although I did spot mycelium . Just got back from the hunt this morning and low and be hold we got a winner. I arrived around 5:45 am was looking on one side of the creek and only found two little ones that I left alone. spotted a car so I started to walk back to mine. but they happened to be out there for the same reason I was. As I made my way to the other side they were leaving after not finding any. turns out there were my little friends the Bluefoots. That are printing as I speak .

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    #6908088 - 05/13/07 01:51 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

yea still not too much of anything up here in michigan. i went out today and didn't find the bluefoot or anything else really. However, I did find a large cluster of interesting mushrooms on some rotting hay and dirt. here is the specs:

cap: 1/4 to 1 inch in diameter and cream to white colored

stem: white or cream and bruises brown on handling

base: widened at the base

gills: white , very slightly cream colored

the spores are black because on some of the mushrooms' caps, black spore stains formed.

Now obviously they are not pan. subbs or any other active, but they neat so I thought I'd ask if anyone else has seen there kind or had an idea of what they were. Maybe some sort of agrocybe or something.

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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MichiganPsiloX]
    #6911008 - 05/13/07 09:39 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

My wife and I decided to do a little hunting today for about an hour.  We found a patch in the Cincinnati area today of approximatley 100 blue foots.  It hasn't rained here in a while so they were pretty dried out.  We didn't have the cam because we weren't planning on hunting.  Anyways we left all but 10 of them there and are hoping it rains soon so it can fruit again.

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    #6911544 - 05/13/07 11:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Got some more, same spot. I think this will be the last run, as this is usually the end of the caerulipes season in my area, and also there seems to be a strange mold growing on them in masses, it looks like cobweb. I'll try to upload some pictures of them later.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: MustardMan]
    #6915899 - 05/14/07 08:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

And yet another patch in the cincinnati area. They seem to be everywhere I look.











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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: Boomers420]
    #6916025 - 05/14/07 08:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)




I found this little cluster at the sacred shroomery bluefoot patch while guiding the hunt at the gathering this weekend.


For those hunting bluefoot I have a few suggestions to help you preserve your patches.

Disturb the vegetation as little as possible. This is difficult because they often grow under Jewel-weed which is very fragile. Bluefoot requires the humid micro-climate created by the canopy of leaves in order to set pins. If you knock down the vegetation to find bluefoot, then the patch will dry out and you will have few if any fruits from that patch until next spring.

Another conservation strategy is to save the fuzzy stem buds for deposit in potential bluefoot patches that are not yet colonized. When picking bluefoot keep two bags, one for fruit and one for feet. Pull the mushroom from the ground, snip off the dirty fuzzy bottom with a pair of sizers placing it in one bag and the clean fruit in another. Stem buds are very good at starting new colonies if placed in a suitable environment.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: shroomydan]
    #6916184 - 05/14/07 08:53 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

heres my question: do they grow on cedar chips as well as birch and oak?


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    #6916361 - 05/14/07 09:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The ones I find are wild, not growing on chips at all. I have not seen any cedars in the areas where bluefoot naturally lives.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: shroomydan]
    #6916949 - 05/14/07 10:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Southern Michigan should get hammered with rain tomorrow, nothing better than coming back with a load of blue foots and maybe some morels :laugh:


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: BFG101]
    #6920528 - 05/15/07 05:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

its raining now, hopefully it will stay warm for a while.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #6921219 - 05/15/07 08:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

3 hours of on and off flash floods should get a good weekend


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: BFG101]
    #6921703 - 05/15/07 10:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

what do you think is proper: calling them bluefoots of bluefeet?


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #6922242 - 05/16/07 12:24 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Well the only way to answer that is to know if they have ten toes.


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Re: WAHBAM! [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #6922243 - 05/16/07 12:24 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

They are called blue foot but while blue foot is used, it actually ws a name applied only to Psilocybe caerulipes and these mushrooms from Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virgina are all Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, An entirely different species.

The real blue foot mushrooms take up to two hours or so to turn blue while the P. ovoideocystidiata turn blue pretty fast.

And then there are the microscoppic features which diiferentiate the two species form one another.

I am working on a paper on the DNA of both species in Thailand with SEM, some cultivation and chemical analysis and have just been able to have my colleague in Thailand to obtain specimens I requested for comparative analysis and so on and so forth.

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so? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6922293 - 05/16/07 12:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

so since they are different species, Why do we call them blue foots? Do they have the same hallucinogenic effects? Is one more potent than the other? I live in WV, FYI


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Re: so? [Re: tjones381]
    #6924534 - 05/16/07 01:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

It's just a common name. Its attributed by the layman to similar species based on macroscopic observations and absent of a rigorous taxonomic method.
From what I read, Ps. ovoid~ blues nearly immediately and Ps caerulipes blues over several minutes.

What inquiring minds want to know is how far north has the season travelled? Too bad the Wabash doesn't grow these 'shrooms.


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Re: so? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #6925076 - 05/16/07 03:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

my area in southeast michigan was nailed by a ton of rain and hail yesterday and it was hot and humid around 81 degrees. But I got rapidly cooler over night. i went out along my river looking for them but all I found was some small galerinas.


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Re: so? [Re: MichiganPsiloX]
    #6926804 - 05/16/07 10:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

well went out the creek around 4:00, we got some rain this morning, found about 120 P. ovoid. in my one hot spots. was teaching my older bro what to look for as well, so we are heading out Saturday to look again...


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Re: so? [Re: tjones381]
    #6926862 - 05/16/07 10:53 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

nice, we need a little a bit more heat temp wise up here in mich, the nights are to diff from the day


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Re: so? [Re: BFG101]
    #6931649 - 05/17/07 09:50 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, we got that nice storm around here....but now it's been chillier than the last week or so :mad:


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Re: so? [Re: AzureStars]
    #6931747 - 05/17/07 10:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

YEA, THIS IS WHY I HATE MICHIGAN!!!!! STUPID WEATHER CHANGES SO DAMN FAST


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Re: so? [Re: BFG101]
    #6940159 - 05/19/07 10:53 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

will more bluefoots be posted?or will we have to wait until next year?:hehehe:


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Re: so? [Re: coon]
    #6940327 - 05/19/07 11:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

what one is in michigan then P. ovoideocystidiata, caerulipes, both?


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Re: so? [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #6940528 - 05/20/07 12:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

there's probably a chance of finding both.good luck,I ain't found squat yet.just want to get some pics of some.


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Re: so? [Re: coon]
    #6940779 - 05/20/07 01:37 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

p.caerulipes has already been found in michigan. P. ovoideocystidiata has not yet been reported from michigan, although their is a chance of P. ovoideocystidiata being mistakenly id'ed as caerulipes. As coon said their probably is a chance of finding both. I looked last season here in michigan with no luck.


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Re: so? [Re: jeverden]
    #6943718 - 05/20/07 08:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

have they been found this year yet?


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Re: so? [Re: strangladesh]
    #6943940 - 05/20/07 09:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i have not seen any, the nights are still too cold.


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Re: so? [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #6946927 - 05/21/07 01:50 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I have been picking 2-3 times a week now with much sucess, once I get my camera pics will be up. I plan on going out to a new place I scoped out, the habitat is probably 2-3 square mils of land that P. ovoid should grow... I'll post up the finds...


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Re: so? [Re: tjones381]
    #6951345 - 05/22/07 12:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I was out around Cinci and Athens this weekend, didnt find shit. Well we found 10-15 lbs of Ganoderma, but it seems ALL LBMs weren't fruiting.

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Re: so? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #6953860 - 05/22/07 11:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I found Bluefoot in Athens today, fruiting from corncobs.


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Re: so? [Re: shroomydan]
    #6954154 - 05/22/07 11:50 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

My patch in Cincinnati was infested with these little buggers on or near every bluefoot. They kept calling me Gargamel. I left most of the mushrooms at the patch so my little friends would have a home for the night.They kept telling me to keep the patch a secret so I promised them I would!!!




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Re: so? [Re: Boomers420]
    #6955405 - 05/23/07 08:32 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

but dont smurf any surprises from jokey smurf. They smurf on you! :smile:


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Re: so? [Re: shroomydan]
    #6956861 - 05/23/07 03:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

My guess is we found the wrong habitat. Google earth only works sometimes. I'm gonna try the Wabash as your descriptions fit many of my morel hunting grounds.

Southeast Ohio is absofuckinglutely beautiful BTW. We went to Jungle Jims in Cinci. That place is Kings Island's bastard child. Their mushroom selection was pretty good, except their rotting and moldy black morels.


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Re: so? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #6956967 - 05/23/07 04:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

wow its actually kind of warm today upper 70s(wow!), looks like a great day for picking too. i think i will do just that, see you guys in a few.
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    #6970343 - 05/26/07 07:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

:banghead:still nothing in northern michigan:banghead:


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Re: so? [Re: fetalscab]
    #6971369 - 05/27/07 12:19 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

ok i think ive found a good spot for blue foot according to what ive read in shroomydan's threads...except my place doesnt have a fast moving stream, but a large river...the potomac(cant find any streams in my area :frown:). anyway, i have found a VERY large patch of japanese knotweed,(what shroomydan was using to find his last year) in a flood zone area about 20 or 30, possibly 40 feet from the bank. im wondering if i should try to hack my way through the knot weed with a machette or something to try and find dead rotting trees within them. its supposed to rain hardcore all week, then i may not be expecting rain for another month....i may not even get this rain, its pretty dry around here. think ill have any luck?


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Re: so? [Re: highdroponics]
    #6972202 - 05/27/07 03:14 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

don't hack, creep and crouch, hacking ruins the habitat, think about it....


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Re: so? [Re: tjones381]
    #6973885 - 05/27/07 04:39 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Went out and checked a couple of my patches in Cinci. Only found a handful, things seem to be really slowing down around here because of lack of rain.


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    #6973983 - 05/27/07 05:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

yeah your right, but this shit is highly dense, im afraid to get bit by a snake or something...i dunno ill figure some way into it.


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Re: so? [Re: highdroponics]
    #6974837 - 05/27/07 09:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Just don't fear the snakes and you probably won't get bit. If mushroom hunting has gotten me anything it is over my fear of snakes. I see so many snakes they really don't even bother me anymore. I just try to avoid steping on them.


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Re: so? [Re: jeverden]
    #6975332 - 05/27/07 11:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

oh i dont have a fear of snakes, i love snakes, but when entering their territory like that theres always the possibility of getting bitten.


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Re: so? [Re: jeverden]
    #6975380 - 05/27/07 11:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Just don't fear the snakes and you probably won't get bit. If mushroom hunting has gotten me anything it is over my fear of snakes. I see so many snakes they really don't even bother me anymore. I just try to avoid steping on them.




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Re: so? [Re: fetalscab]
    #6975477 - 05/28/07 12:15 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

yeah theres three here, well, mainly two, but cotton mouth show up once in a great while during hot years, the other two are copperhead and rattlers, both extremely dangerous...theyve been amputating from rattle snake bites.


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Re: so? [Re: highdroponics]
    #6980220 - 05/29/07 01:21 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Hey highdroponics,get a long stick, and use it to move the brush around.If there's any snakes in there, they'll either leave, or bite the stick.And don't get in a hurry, take your time.

I'm not postive where you're at, but I don't think cottonmouths are normally found in the Potomac.Southeastern Virginia is where their natural range ends.You're probably seeing banded water snakes (non-venomous).They're commonly mistaken for cottonmouths.Just check their eyes.Round pupils (like humans)= non-venomous.Slitted pupils (like a cat)= pit viper,which is venomous.Coral snakes are the exception.They have round pupils, are venomous ,but are not pit vipers.

OK,enough of the snake talk, let's talk about this here bluefoot thread.I take a long,long break from the Shroomery, stop by, see the bluefoot thread, am tickled to death at first, then realize these thangs ain't bluefoots, they're some new friggin' species, psilocybe osteoporosis or something like that.Where the hell's the caerulipes?Ain't nobody found these boogers yet?Do I have to do everything for ya'll? Damn!!Looks like I'm gonna have to go trampsing about the woods again and see if I can find 'em.;)
Still, it's a cool and interesting species ya'll discovered. Way to go shroom hunters!!!!!!!!!Enjoyed the pics immensely!!

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Re: so? [Re: doo]
    #6988495 - 05/30/07 09:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

well, i guess im outta luck for the season, its starting to go into the 90s every day and we hardly ever get rain....maybe ill go take a look at the horse farm up the street for some pan subbs.


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Re: so? [Re: highdroponics]
    #6992033 - 05/31/07 05:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Don't be so discouraged man! Whenever I think the population of bluefoot has dwindled, I do some habitat scouting, and always seeem to find something. If you are in the vicinity of the Ohio River and it's tributaries you are sure to walk out of the woods with something. I do feel you on the lack of rain though.....maybe we should come up with a bluefoot rain dance of some kind?!


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Re: so? [Re: rastausty]
    #6992556 - 05/31/07 08:18 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

nah i hunt off of the potomac, i dont know of anywhere else to go yet... i wish i woulda knew about mushroom hunting last year when i was living up in the mountains, i prolly woulda came back with truck loads of em....now im living in a desert like area, always hot as hell and we only get rain once a month if we are lucky in the summer.


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Re: so? [Re: highdroponics]
    #6993352 - 05/31/07 10:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

anything in michigan yet?? its been pretty decent around northeast parts. mid to upper 70s a little rain here and there should i start looking soon?


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    #6997068 - 06/01/07 10:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yes you should already be looking. This thread should be specifically for finds since it is sticked to the top of the page. Although I have violated this by replying to some posts asked in here.


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    #7010853 - 06/05/07 07:14 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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    #7015621 - 06/06/07 03:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

whew! been a while hasn't it?starving us you were.:igor:


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    #7015628 - 06/06/07 03:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I am hungry again. Inspring and motivating to get off my ass and look some more.


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Re: so? [Re: coon]
    #7015642 - 06/06/07 03:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

There are plenty of Ovoideocystidiata still out. The reason people are not finding them is because they live in places that are very difficult to hunt. The mushrooms in the photos above were growing under a thick canopy of stingy nettles and Jewell weed. The nettles are not bad early in the season because their spines are soft and unable to penetrate through a pair of genes. By early June, however, the nettles have hardened up making it very difficult to walk through them without being stung.

Mosquitoes and ticks are also prevalent in bluefoot habitat, but finding a cluster like the one above makes it all worth it. :smile:


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Re: so? [Re: shroomydan]
    #7015658 - 06/06/07 03:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

been hunting those sort of areas and nothing.sooner or later.dont have as much time as I would like to go.at least I got my big orange buddies.:igor:real nice pics shroomindan.:finger:


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Re: so? [Re: coon]
    #7015703 - 06/06/07 03:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: so? [Re: shroomydan]
    #7015729 - 06/06/07 04:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Still in season [Re: MustardMan]
    #7020190 - 06/07/07 08:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Is anyone still finding any Bluefoots?

I know it is extremely late in their season and I figured today would have been the last possible day to find them with the weekend rains that lasted until yesterday. With the high today over 90 I figured this would probably end any hope of still finding them if there was still any at all.

There are some strong storms predicted for the area tomorrow with temps in the 50-85 range of the next couple of days. Any hope that this may induce one last fruiting?


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Re: Still in season [Re: Smushroom]
    #7020886 - 06/07/07 11:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Is anyone still finding any Bluefoots?




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Re: Still in season [Re: coon]
    #7021238 - 06/08/07 12:38 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

man wtf... i am never gonna find the bluefoot. as bad as i want them it seems i would've by now. i check and i check again what i think is a perfect habitat: along a flowing river on the sides of the surrounding hills and banks under scrub brush and decaying logs and twigs of thousands of hardwoods. and we have a ton of rain recently. still nothing is around. am I looking in the wrong places, do they grow in areas where there are alot of fallen branches and logs and living bush and brush around, in sandy soil along river banks. or am i mistaken, what am i missing or not getting. these things cannot be that rare. sheesh. peace


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Re: Still in season [Re: MichiganPsiloX]
    #7021652 - 06/08/07 02:57 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

It took me seven years of hunting to find these for the first time last year. Bluefoot does not live on every river where you would expect to find him, and not in every place you expect them to be along a river that hosts them.


You need to look often and you need to look in different places.


You are not so much looking for fallen branches as you are for piles of sticks mixed with mud that were deposited by flood waters. Usually only the piles that are covered with thick vegetation will host bluefoot.

To complicate things more, the pile needs to have been there for at least two years. Piles of debris that were deposited in the preceding year have not had a chance to colonize. It is very difficult to find piles like this in areas that frequently flood. Furthermore, the area has to be moist. Moisture level of an area depends on a combination of factors, including: tree cover, vegetation cover, ground water level, and elevation.

Elevation, and I'm talking a few feet sometimes inches here, is very important for three reasons. First lower spots in the ground are closer to ground water, which is often very near the surface along the banks of a river. Secondly, fog can sink into a low spot or it can hang a few inches off the ground. I don't really understand fog yet, because I'm not out there early enough to observe it, but I suspect it is the main source of water for bluefoot this year, considering there has been very little rain. The third reason elevation is crucial to bluefoot habitat concerns flood levels: too low and the patch got washed away last year, too high and there is no deposit of substrate. One of the places I scouted this year looked incredibly promising. This spot is about ten acres of flood plain with a thick upper canopy of sycamore and silver maple and thick bottom canopy of stinging nettles and Jewell weed. To my surprise I did not find many bluefoot there. The whole place was flooded last fall, and the new debris piles were not yet colonized, except for one little spot a few inches higher the rest of the area. There was a nice little cluster on that tiny island. :mushroom2: :smile:

In other spots I find the patches in depressions because that is the only place the debris piles up.

Look for tires and other trash. Flood waters have a tendency to cluster floating debris and deposit it in clumps. I have often found bluefoot growing from under an old tire.




These places are always difficult to get to, and they are almost always completely hidden from roads and houses.


Few folks are cut out to be bluefoot hunters. You must be willing to endure isolation, sweat, ticks, nettles, bugs flying in your eyes (that is the worst), mosquitoes, biting flies, long hikes through thick vegetation, snakes, birds, deer, bees and hornets, and you must be willing to come home empty handed your first dozen or so times out. You will also have a very difficult time finding a place to park your car. Hunting on a bike is better because you can ride up and park your bike in the woods in places that are miles from the nearest place you could park a car.


Damn it's late. Two final things:

Be VERY careful of stepping into holes in the ground. Groundhogs and other digging critters love to dig in the places where bluefoot live because they are always isolated from humans and because the dirt is soft there. I have stepped in these holes twice and thank God I did not break my leg. Also watch out for sharp spikes sticking up out of the ground that are left when beavers chew down saplings and small trees.

In the last few weeks I have found several large patches of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata growing from a mixture of mud and corn cobs deposited by flood waters in wind breaks between corn fields along a small river.

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Re: Still in season [Re: shroomydan]
    #7023042 - 06/08/07 04:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

that is the most beneficial and in depth help i have read yet about bluefoot. thanks a bunch shroomydan. the other day I found what I think was two small bluefoots growing in mulch and woodchips:
the caps were fairly dark brown, not anything close to cinnamon or caramel colored.
the stipes were probably somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 inch thick, but what I thought was very unique about them was the fact that not only were they hollow as bluefoot are supposed to be, but they appeared to be very feeble in and almost seemingly too weak to support the caps.

the caps were somewhat curved inward but not to any extreme and dark brown as I said.
I pulled the caps edges out to get a good look at the gills and they were very close together and very crowded. They were also a lavender/purple color.
I didn't have time to see if they would bruise or not or even take a spore print for that matter. I know caerulipes, unlike ovoideocystidiata, bruises somewhat slowly and these did not in the few minutes i had on my lunch break at work. There were only two and I had nowhere to put them so i threw them out...:(

but I am almost one hundred percent positive they were them.

they looked precisely like this pic from mushroom john's site... http://www.mushroomjohn.com/psilocybecaerulipes/pscaerulipes1.jpg

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Re: Still in season [Re: MichiganPsiloX]
    #7023056 - 06/08/07 04:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

:congrats:


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    #7023244 - 06/08/07 05:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Howdy. Thought I would contribute something here.


Those are from the day before yesterday.





Those are from yesterday.
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    #7026823 - 06/09/07 05:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Nice,


Today, some wavy caps, Psilocybe cyanscens, that think they are bluefoot,



Nice cluster of bluefoot from early May



The stem at the apex is larger than an inch and a quarter,



This is from a last year I think, the picture was taken on July 16th,



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    #7026846 - 06/09/07 05:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Still in season [Re: shroomydan]
    #7027218 - 06/09/07 07:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i went out to a spot that was supposed to be good for bluefoots today and we didnt find any but we broke off a piece of a fallen branch and it was all blue inside, is it possible for the myc in some dead wood to bruise blue? or is this a dumb ass question?


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Re: Still in season [Re: fetalscab]
    #7027812 - 06/09/07 10:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i have a question, what actually ends the bluefoot season high temps or something?


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Re: Still in season [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #7035506 - 06/11/07 11:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I know that p. ovoideocystidiata and p. caerulipes are very similar mushrooms and are both referred to as "bluefoot". I see these pictures all over this thread of "bluefoot" but whether or not they are caerulipes or ovoideocystidiata I do not know. Can anyone tell me if there are any real macroscopic and obvious differences between the two other than the fact that ovoideocystidiata has a partial veil reminiscent and bruises more qucikly.....

ie... do they have different cap or stem colors, do they have any major difference in size, cap shape, gill color, anything really obvious that can be identified to tell the difference while on the hunt? ...I know that there is a thread already about this but I couldn't really understand the mycological terminology although I am taking a class in it next fall at the university. So I thoguht I would ask the dummy version in this dying thread. LAter and peace out


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Re: Still in season [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #7035549 - 06/11/07 11:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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i have a question, what actually ends the bluefoot season high temps or something?




when is the season over?


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Re: Still in season [Re: MichiganPsiloX]
    #7035675 - 06/12/07 12:13 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

There are no macroscopic differences. :shrug:


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Re: Still in season [Re: falcon]
    #7037002 - 06/12/07 09:19 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know about differences. I don't know if I have ever found p. caerulipes.


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Season slowing down [Re: shroomydan]
    #7076271 - 06/21/07 07:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

It being the first day of summer, I jumped on my bike this morning to see if any mushrooms were about. The season is not over yet, but the bluefoot are fruiting in much few numbers than they were a few weeks ago.


Here are few shots of one of my bluefoot patches.





Most of the bluefoot I found were being attacked by mold. I've been seeing this mold on them all season, but the warm dry weather seems to be making it worse. :frown:







I did find a few nice specimens though. :smile:

     


I found few other neat mushrooms as well.


Small Pluteus



Little Inky Caps



Coon's favorite mushroom. :wink:





Little Gym



Not sure about this guy.




Eyelash cup. :smile:



Black raspberries are coming into season, and the wine berries are not far behind.


Black Raspberry






Wine Berry buds.




I also found some wild lilies, the picture does not do them justice.




It was a pretty good day hunting. :smile:


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Re: Season slowing down [Re: shroomydan]
    #7076309 - 06/21/07 07:09 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

black footed polypore. :shake:

beautiful pics dan,better luck for me next year maybe.thats the exact look of the land I've been hunting,a tributary of.... well you know.:igor:


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Re: Season slowing down [Re: shroomydan]
    #7076838 - 06/21/07 09:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

day for parasitic mold finds. i'm more confident your unknown is a hypomyces infection.


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Re: Season slowing down [Re: coon]
    #7076839 - 06/21/07 09:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The last week i haven't found any bluefoots in any of my patches. I think the temps have gotten too hot and the lack of rain around cincinnati hasn't helped any. Luckily I found that huge patch in may so I have plenty to hold me over.


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Re: Season slowing down [Re: shroomydan]
    #7077307 - 06/21/07 10:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Here are few shots of one of my bluefoot patches.








I've stalked probably 300 piles just like those along the rivers and creeks here and never found one...maybe it's because the 100 year flood last year? But there's miles and miles of piles of trees and dead knotweed everywhere, and I only find Mycenae or the occasional Gym.
I don't think they grow in my area of NY state(southern, 10 min from Pennsylvania.):mad2:

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Re: Season slowing down [Re: Mead]
    #7080514 - 06/22/07 06:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ok i need to finally get this settled....

Is this a bluefoot or am a way off?....the base of teh stem is bruised a blueish color so idk what to think...i really dont have much else to go on,...i couldnt even get a decent spore print for some reason but what i did get seemed to be dark colored









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Re: Season slowing down [Re: GanjikaAranyaka]
    #7080569 - 06/22/07 07:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The base of the stem looks more purple than blue in those photos. I wouldn't eat it unless it has a dark-purplush-brown spore print and the stem and cap bruise blue a few minutes after they are damaged.

A nice clear photo of the gills would help ID it.


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Re: Season slowing down [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7080619 - 06/22/07 07:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)




....and below is the sporeprint i took. you can barely see anything and i let the cap sit for about 9 hours!!!!WTF!!!:mad: (i set it up before i went to bed and then checked it in the morning)....you can see a little bit of something..idk know if their spores though.



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Re: Season slowing down [Re: GanjikaAranyaka]
    #7080635 - 06/22/07 07:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

It is still hard to tell what it is. I will guess that the spore print color is brown due to the gill color. If that is the case, this mushroom is likely to be in the genus Hebeloma, a large and confusing genus with no edible or active members.

It could also be a Cortinarius, or something else. I suggest that you go back to the place you found it and get some younger specimens which will drop a spore print. Post these photos plus photos of younger specimens (especially the underside) in a new ID request thread, and someone should be able to give you a good guess.


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    #7080665 - 06/22/07 07:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

sounds good....

I hope i can find some more though because this was the only one in that particular spot.....but I'll go check it out tommorow, maybe the rains have brought a few more up :grin:


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I think that is a Cortinarius.


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    #7081160 - 06/22/07 09:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

You are right, that is a cort for sure.

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    #7081354 - 06/22/07 10:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hey shroomydan, where do you live? I'm wondering because in some of those pictures, the habitat looks a lot like an area near my house... I know it's not the same place, but the habitat is similar... maybe I'll be lucky enough to find some bluefoot's later this year.


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    #7081363 - 06/22/07 10:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey shroomydan, where do you live? I'm wondering because in some of those pictures, the habitat looks a lot like an area near my house... I know it's not the same place, but the habitat is similar... maybe I'll be lucky enough to find some bluefoot's later this year.




Better hurry, the season is wrapping up. I think I've finally found a nice habitat for some Blues but the weather is shite.


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    #7083618 - 06/23/07 03:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i think i actually may have found a bluefoot...most of the stem is bruised blue and the cap looks somewhat like a sombrero...I'll post a pic and sporeprint in a little while....


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Last hunt of the season. [Re: GanjikaAranyaka]
    #7087752 - 06/24/07 05:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I jumped on my bike today and rode about 15 miles to one of my best patches. I really was not expecting to find much, but it has been cool and rainy for a few days, so I thought maybe I would find some fruits.

I did find a few.



This patch had nearly a hundred mushrooms at its peak in late May, but now it's down to like six. All of my small patches have stopped fruiting entirely, and the big ones are down to producing a few tiny shrooms. I'm calling the season over in these parts.


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Re: Last hunt of the season. [Re: shroomydan]
    #7087821 - 06/24/07 05:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Do you still hunt along the waterways mainly?


Nice late season finds, hopefully some rain'll prolong the season for ya

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    #7087825 - 06/24/07 05:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey shroomydan, where do you live? I'm wondering because in some of those pictures, the habitat looks a lot like an area near my house... I know it's not the same place, but the habitat is similar... maybe I'll be lucky enough to find some bluefoot's later this year.




Better hurry, the season is wrapping up. I think I've finally found a nice habitat for some Blues but the weather is shite.




Same with me, it hasn't rained in quite a while, it's just really hot and dry. It sucks, because it seems like it's the perfect habitat...


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Re: Last hunt of the season. [Re: Mead]
    #7087843 - 06/24/07 06:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I've never found a bluefoot more than 100 yards from flowing water. They are most definitely a riparian species. My range has really been limited this season due to lack of a car, so I have only been hunting one river in southern Ohio. Barring unforeseen catastrophes I should be a motorist again and will be able to hunt a wider territory next spring.

Bluefoot season is over, but chanterelle season is just beginning. :smile:


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Re: Last hunt of the season. [Re: shroomydan]
    #7087997 - 06/24/07 07:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Shroomydan, those were some beautiful pics


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Re: Last hunt of the season. [Re: ISH]
    #7088119 - 06/24/07 07:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i wonder if bluefoots are still growing arround here(central North carolina)....anyone know?...:confused:


shit, I'v definetly been lookin. spent about 2-4 hours each day shroom hunting for the past week or so. I'v found/IDed a lot of cool mushrooms but no actives...kinda starting to get discouraged....havent even found any subbs yet. Then again, if i had a car i could drive anywhere i wanted and i'm sure i'd find some shrooms then...i know a lot of people who live on farms around here but i have no way to get there and no "good" reason for someone to give me a ride....to a lot of people, looking for shrooms isnt a good reason

anyway, what do y'all think my chances are of finding some cubes (or other actives) on a farm around here at this time of the year? (a farm with cows, of course)because i would walk  10 or 15 miles to one of them cow fields if it seems worth it;)


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Re: Last hunt of the season. [Re: GanjikaAranyaka]
    #7088143 - 06/24/07 07:43