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Semilanceata
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Some king oysters and pics and some more... 1
#6814668 - 04/21/07 01:06 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hola, here are some pics of my last eryngii grow. It´s a wild clone on poplar sawdust, wheat bran and gypsum. After full colonization it was cased and cold shocked for a week. The pics are from the second flush, the first didn´t perform very well due to some very high temps that dried everything out.
    
The FC is just a platic bin with lid and I mist like 2-5 times daily.
And here is just an off topic pic from my last morel hunt:

Saludos.
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#6814682 - 04/21/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice pics the morel hunt one could be a postcard
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: thallus]
#6814778 - 04/21/07 02:48 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Awesome, nice effort on both kinds!
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: zee_werp]
#6815748 - 04/21/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Beautiful eryngii they look super tasty
Beautiful morels!
What state were those found?
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Semilanceata
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Cryogenicz]
#6817495 - 04/21/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks guys!
The morels were found in Europe (Spain). I´m in the North-center of Spain at 1000 meter over sea level. They were found in a humid oak forest near a river the 19th of April. We are at the same latitude as New York (more or less).
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#6819153 - 04/22/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Love the pics, I hope my eryngii turn out that good...
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: PitcherCrab]
#6819305 - 04/22/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wonderfull pics!
gnam gnam
Fabio
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Semilanceata
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#6826943 - 04/24/07 10:40 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes Fabio, they tasted very good but can´t be compared with the wild ones I recolect every autum. It´s a matter of the substrate, something else must be added to get that characteristic unique flavor. Now I´m working with the substrate additive flavor issue and the fruitbody appearance problem. If I want to sell them in a near future I need to get them to look like in nature and taste like in nature.
Un saludo
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#6828652 - 04/24/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looks good. But why did you decide to case? Did you run an uncased contol?
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Semilanceata
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: rungi]
#6829695 - 04/24/07 10:22 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I cased because it´s easier to fruit that way. Consider I don´t use any humidifiers and such and since I fruit this guys almost at open air, it´s better and easier to keep things moist with a casing layer than without it. An uncased substrate would never have fruited in the conditions I have the shrooms cause it would have dried out in a matter of hours.
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#6830382 - 04/25/07 12:49 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hello Semilanceta, i believe you should study well the wild substrate of these guy when you collected them!
Fabio
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Semilanceata
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#6830507 - 04/25/07 01:52 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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They grow on dead Eryngium campestre roots and in some kind of Betula dead roots too. In humid areas with no shadow at all, sometimes you find them pushing up stones. They can stand heavy wind, rain and strong sun without suffering at all, I think it even make them better. They are tough!!! So I would say it might be a matter of adding some "rooty" additive to the substrate.
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#7256025 - 08/03/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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What were the high temperature for the first flush and what happen to it? Also how, and at what temperature did you use to cold shock for one week? Did you case after the cold shock?
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Semilanceata
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: rungi]
#7257696 - 08/03/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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High temps were a matter of having the wood stove at full potencial, mushrooms were growing well but dried and stopped growing in one day. A friend of mine that was visiting us and lives in a big city was so excited about having a wood stove that she had to burn all the possible wood before leaving us. The bags were cased, incubated and then cold shocked outside inside a plastic bin then brought inside for fruiting and fruitbody development (inside the temps were of 15-20ºC). Temps for the cold shock were like 5ºC.
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#7259216 - 08/04/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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How long did you hold 5 degrees? Did you mist the casing at all after casing was applied?
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: rungi]
#7259236 - 08/04/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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sorry, I see one week. did you get more flushes with similar postures? what was the approximate room humidity during the fruit body development?
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Semilanceata
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: rungi]
#7260965 - 08/04/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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The casing layer was applied moist and I didn´t mist until they were in fruiting mode. I´ve got 4 flushes out of those casings. I can´t tell what the humidity was cause I didn´t measure it, but I figure out maybe between 70-100% RH. After each flush the FC was closed till new pins formed to avoid excesive evaporation and drying. After new pins formed the FC´s lid was opened again.
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#7573563 - 10/29/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Test fruiting from Semilanceata's spores. Grown at 55-60F in diffuse natural light. The colder temps and/or the lighting gave them very dark caps.
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Semilanceata
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Workman] 1
#7575380 - 10/30/07 03:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool!
I have some more pics of my latest grow too.

-------------------- Sr_Setahongo
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#7575510 - 10/30/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Semilanceata said: Cool!
I have some more pics of my latest grow too.

Damn dude! So can you give us the parameters and substrate info for the latest grow there? Just wondering if you made any changes since you said;
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Now I´m working with the substrate additive flavor issue and the fruitbody appearance problem.
And you als mentioned adding roots to the substrate. Anyway, great looking mushrooms there
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Edited by Jeremy_Davis (10/30/07 06:28 AM)
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Semilanceata
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#7576093 - 10/30/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The substrate of the block in the pic is a pasteurized mix of sawdust/straw/bran/CaCO3/Gypsum. Ph is like 6,6-6,8. I added some grinded lavender branches to other blocks to see how it affects flavor but the fruits are still developing. I´m also drying some plant roots from my vegetable garden and will add them in the next run. I´m gonna add more things to the substrate next time but I´m still thinking about it. Substrate should be more complex IMO because in the wild they grow surrounded by soil and other organic material. Soil is complex and mycellium sure digest and use some nutrients and minerals from the soil it grows in the wild. The grass that grows along with the mushrooms sure contributes in any way too. This affects flavor as well as the water it gets. I mist with tap water and wild fruits get rain, the best water ever. The fruitbody shape is a matter of fresh air and low CO2 levels. Temperature is now 1ºC at night and 10ºC during the day. The bins are sitting outside in an open garage (there is a roof and 2 walls but half of one wall is open and there is no door). I´ll post pics. Humidity is between 60-80% and I mist 2-3 times daily. BE in the first flush is 76%.
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#7576123 - 10/30/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Those are one of my favorites. Never cased them before like that! Very cool!
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Cheezit]
#7592239 - 11/03/07 07:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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How did you calculate BE? 76% on the first flush is pretty good from what Stamets says in GGMM. And did you calculate the ratio of sawdust/straw/etc?
Edited by YidakiMan (11/03/07 11:24 PM)
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: YidakiMan]
#7593123 - 11/03/07 11:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I talked to a guy once about the white button mushroom. Jeremy heard this same story. The white button used to be a genetic abnormality, a mutant. It was unmarketable and usually thrown out. The mushroom that was sold was the old brown. It was brown and flat topped. One day, one mushroom farmer, realized that his white mutants had a domed cap and thus each mushroom weighed more than the flat topped mushrooms. He cultivated the white mutant and the production per sqft was equal. His pickers picked more weight per hour. This is really important because on most mushroom farms, COGS is 50% labor expense. Then everyone grew white buttons from this strain. Next came the portabella. The portabella was the old brown, until the crimini came onto the market. Go buy some criminis and notice it has a domed cap. That's right, they took an old brown and bred it with a domed white mutant. And that's how 95% of the commercial Agaricus crop is descended off that one mutant strain of white buttons with domed caps.
Wow, that was long and I bet you think its off topic but i want to look at your pictures. Look at the picture early in the process, what day was this picture taken?

If you could get the entire surface of the casing covered with mushrooms like that. You've got a real winner. An amazing strain. It wouldn't even matter if the mushrooms couldn't develop further and aborted two days later, before they extended their edges and sporulated. The strain could self-terminate before extreme sporulation age, lol. Non genetic engineered strains that win.
Man those mushrooms make my mouth water. Mushrooms like that beat all hands down. They look like Boletes and at the same time very young chanterelles. They look like Agaricus. You can eat the whole thing unlike shiitakes. And top it all off, they have 7x the shelf life of the common osteatus oyster mushroom.
Eryngii FTW
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Semilanceata
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: YidakiMan]
#7593344 - 11/04/07 01:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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YidakiMan said: How did you calculate BE? 76% on the first flush is pretty good from what Stamets says in GGMM. And did you calculate the ratio of sawdust/straw/etc?
You just need to know the substrate´s weight to get the BE. Mine is 300 gr. wet weight, 100% BE would be 25% of the substrate´s weight in mushrooms or 75gr fresh mushrooms. I don´t know exactly the ratio of ingredients in the substrate. I add 10-20% bran and 1-5% gypsum and CaCO3 .The straw is added by sight, I use it to get a less compacted substrate cause chips are not available.
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Semilanceata
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: YidakiMan]
#7593703 - 11/04/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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YidakiMan said: I talked to a guy once about the white button mushroom. Jeremy heard this same story. The white button used to be a genetic abnormality, a mutant. It was unmarketable and usually thrown out. The mushroom that was sold was the old brown. It was brown and flat topped. One day, one mushroom farmer, realized that his white mutants had a domed cap and thus each mushroom weighed more than the flat topped mushrooms. He cultivated the white mutant and the production per sqft was equal. His pickers picked more weight per hour. This is really important because on most mushroom farms, COGS is 50% labor expense. Then everyone grew white buttons from this strain. Next came the portabella. The portabella was the old brown, until the crimini came onto the market. Go buy some criminis and notice it has a domed cap. That's right, they took an old brown and bred it with a domed white mutant. And that's how 95% of the commercial Agaricus crop is descended off that one mutant strain of white buttons with domed caps.
Wow, that was long and I bet you think its off topic but i want to look at your pictures. Look at the picture early in the process, what day was this picture taken?

If you could get the entire surface of the casing covered with mushrooms like that. You've got a real winner. An amazing strain. It wouldn't even matter if the mushrooms couldn't develop further and aborted two days later, before they extended their edges and sporulated. The strain could self-terminate before extreme sporulation age, lol. Non genetic engineered strains that win.
Man those mushrooms make my mouth water. Mushrooms like that beat all hands down. They look like Boletes and at the same time very young chanterelles. They look like Agaricus. You can eat the whole thing unlike shiitakes. And top it all off, they have 7x the shelf life of the common osteatus oyster mushroom.
Eryngii FTW
generic hydrocodone and Sierra Pale FTW.
I don´t understand very well what you´re trying to say, might be that english is not my mother language. What means COGS, FTW, hydrocodone and Sierra Pale ?
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: YidakiMan]
#7593757 - 11/04/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
YidakiMan said:
Eryngii FTW
generic hydrocodone and Sierra Pale FTW.
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#7593763 - 11/04/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Semilanceata said: I don´t understand very well what you´re trying to say, might be that english is not my mother language. What means COGS, FTW, hydrocodone and Sierra Pale ?
COGS = Cost of goods sold
FTW = F@*k the world
Hydrocodone = pain medicine
Sierra Pale (Ale) = Beer
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#7593846 - 11/04/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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or if you wanna be nice FTW 'for the world'
Sierra Pale Ale= good beer
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Cheezit]
#7593919 - 11/04/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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or "for the win"
Twas a late night last night..
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#7595357 - 11/04/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is the best King Oyster grow that I have seen here on the Shroomery! Keep up the good work!
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Re: Some king oysters and pics and some more... [Re: Semilanceata]
#18942925 - 10/06/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice Morels
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