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I don't DO cakes.
    #6802619 - 04/18/07 01:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Started with grain spawn & h/poo.
And never looked back.

But, I am wondering why PF tek.
Has not been upgraded.

To omit top verm barrier.
And, use tyvek in it's place.
(under the lid)
And, micropore tape over exterior lid holes.
(after inoculation)

Doing so, would seem to resolve Innoc & G/E issues asked often.

Rig lids as now w/multiple innoc holes.
Place tyvek under lid.
Load jars with PF mix, boil/steam them w/tin-foil cover over lid.
Remove, cool overnight.
Innoc following day.
Cover innoc holes with Micropore tape.
Then, incubate jars.

Or, am I missing something.
Not being a "cake" sort of guy.


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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: agar]
    #6802649 - 04/18/07 01:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Lots of people do it that way. I've used synthetic filter disks, tyvek and polyfill on them.
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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6802663 - 04/18/07 01:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, but I always see questions, about top verm barrier.
Which made me wonder.

Someone ought to do a PF pictorial tek with tyvek & micropore.

After initial post.
For fun, I built a plastic PF Lid in about 60 seconds, LOL.


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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: agar]
    #6802668 - 04/18/07 01:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You should put those on your site, if they're wide mouth.
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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6803090 - 04/18/07 06:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

a more expensive product

for a non producing tek.
(not much anyway)


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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: Oatman2000]
    #6803161 - 04/18/07 07:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i always figured it was cuz the pf tek was kind of legendary...kind of like HIS tek. if you improve or change is it still the pf tek?

i went straight to grain myself too and always wondered why the hell youd bother with a verm layer when u can just use tyvek also.


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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: jenerikcairet]
    #6803205 - 04/18/07 07:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if it weren't for the pf tek and its great results.....i would have never bought a pressure cooker and moved on to grains

nice lids ......love the self healing injection

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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: agar]
    #6803206 - 04/18/07 07:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Pf-Tek is aimed at total newbies, right?

Using tyvek and micro-pore tape add extra materials that need to be found. The verm barrier works. That's what the tek is about I think, growing a few mushrooms in the simplest way possible.

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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: agar]
    #6803208 - 04/18/07 07:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If done properly I'm pretty sure the pf tek couldn't get any better than what it is. If you use plenty of spores you can have fully colonized cakes 10-15 days after inoculation.

The air exchange problems occur because people put tape over the lid holes or they don't flip them, which is a step in the pf tek that people don't like to do for some reason.

But maybe I dont know either because Ive only tried cakes once just for the fun of it to be doing something old school.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: Psychoslut]
    #6803405 - 04/18/07 08:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

PF cakes are the only things that seem to work for me. I have tried grains spawned to bulk lots but have never had any serious results mostly due to contamination. PF tek is nice cus you don't have to be extremely sterile and you still get some decent fruits if you do it the right way. I just got my GH setup and have 6 trays colonizing, I am gonna keep trying bulk untill I master it's sterile procedures and fruiting environment but untill then I'm going to keep doing cakes because that's the only way I can get some decent mush right now.

also, I don't really need a pound of dry mush, not saying it's a bad thing I would just have so many fruits I wouldn't know what to do with them all.


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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: musher_420]
    #6803468 - 04/18/07 08:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

musher_420 said:
Pf-Tek is aimed at total newbies, right?

Using tyvek and micro-pore tape add extra materials that need to be found. The verm barrier works. That's what the tek is about I think, growing a few mushrooms in the simplest way possible.




Lots of newbie questions revolve around, "where do I find verm in my area" etc. Tyvek n mp tape are everywhere as long as you've got a post office and a pharmacy. Not to mention the extra substrate you can cram into the jar.

Nice lid.

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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: ComfortablyStond]
    #6803488 - 04/18/07 08:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So are you saying you can shred tyvek and use it in place of verm in the PF-tek?

Haha. Sorry, just being a dick. If you can't find verm you can't do the PF-tek cause it's already part of the substrate. In other words, if your doing the PF-tek you have verm.

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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: musher_420]
    #6803550 - 04/18/07 09:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, ya got a point there, dick...lol. Thanks for pointing out the error of my ways, I'll try to lay off that last hitter before posting anything completely irrelevant in the future.

But still...Nice lid.

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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: VampireSlayer]
    #6803552 - 04/18/07 09:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My advice to you is to do a bulk without a casing layer. Just for practice. Stay as clean as possible, clean everything with bleach, clean the area around the tub with bleach and spray disinfectant. Pasteurize your sub well with a proven method. Inoculate your jars in a glove box if possible. Keep your hands clean, where clean clothes. When you spawn your bulk substrate set a piece of bleach cleaned plastic directly over the sub, and also put the lid on the tub. Dont check on it for at least 5 days and surely do not open the lid until you know for a fact the surface is fully colonized. Remove the plastic, and start fanning the tub 5 times a day and provide a good source of light. Spawn with cakes if thats the only way you know how to make clean colonized substrate.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: Psychoslut]
    #6803613 - 04/18/07 09:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't suggest that the PF tek be rejected and forgotten about like some people are saying. It's a good way to learn the ropes of cultivation and basic mycology without complicating things too much, so newbies don't confuse themselves, and is also a viable method for discreetly growing small amounts of mushrooms for personal use, as far as I can see. If you're happy with something vaguely around half an ounce or so per batch (on average), then there's no reason why the PF tek shouldn't work for you.


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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: agar]
    #6803753 - 04/18/07 10:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

agar said:
Okay, but I always see questions, about top verm barrier.
Which made me wonder.

Someone ought to do a PF pictorial tek with tyvek & micropore.

After initial post.
For fun, I built a plastic PF Lid in about 60 seconds, LOL.





well now that you've made a lid, you should try a cake for fun/laughs.

then crumble, spawn to your massive amounts of hpoo you have, and case a few and using jiffy mix so you can tell me if its any good by itself with nothing added :wink:

come on be my guinea pig.

ps i'd never use cakes either.

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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: usg543]
    #6803819 - 04/18/07 10:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I remember this one guy I new telling me he had a huge setup but told me it was impossible to grow large amounts of mushrooms without a lot of room. I was confused..... Then I found out he was using a bunch of fish tanks he had bought. This was my first and only clue that he was using cakes! I was correct, and this is why his yields sucked even using a whole room with over 20 tanks.

Cakes are cool, but if your interested in yield, from what I have seen cakes will yield maybe 10 percent of what a casing will. I dont mean sub/weight to harvest yield, but basicly all the room cakes take up. Think about it, were only a few cakes will fit in a tub, you can just make a 4 inch casing and have fairly large shrooms growing from every square inch of the tub. Theirs just no comparison.:ooo:


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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: Akira]
    #6803867 - 04/18/07 10:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Cakes are cool, but if your interested in yield, from what I have seen cakes will yield maybe 10 percent of what a casing will. I dont mean sub/weight to harvest yield, but basicly all the room cakes take up. Think about it, were only a few cakes will fit in a tub, you can just make a 4 inch casing and have fairly large shrooms growing from every square inch of the tub. Theirs just no comparison.:ooo:




Generally you are correct but I have grown a few really gnarly cakes and Fahtster seems to pull it off everytime.  If he was using a rubbermaid tote with holes in it like RR suggests instead of aquariums I bet he would've done a little better.  Still, having 20+ PMP's is fucking ridiculous.  :wink:

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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: etam]
    #6803986 - 04/18/07 11:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I remember fahtster posting 3 or 4 tubs he ended up getting a pound from all of them combined, that's real good for cakes!


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Re: I don't DO cakes. [Re: VampireSlayer]
    #6804045 - 04/18/07 11:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I remember fahtster posting 3 or 4 tubs he ended up getting a pound from all of them combined, that's real good for cakes!




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