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Kinslayer
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Overlay preventing fruiting on cakes, how to save...
#6798071 - 04/17/07 01:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok so for a number of (now resolved) reasons discussed elsewhere I have alot of overlay on my cakes.
all the pinhead and mushroom growth i'm seeing is coming straight off the bottom vermiculite layer, and none off the overlayed cakes.
in most cakes, all i got was some aborts. in one cake which is fruiting sideways (weird jar shape), i'm getting great growth horizontally off the vermiculite.
what do you guys think about these ideas to still make use of the cakes?
1) crumble the cakes and case them.
2) use a sterilized scalpel and cut off the overlay? 
in both cases is this ok to try do roughly 3 weeks after birthing seeing as mycelium growth has completely stopped?
thanks as always.
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Re: Overlay preventing fruiting on cakes, how to save... [Re: Kinslayer]
#6798241 - 04/17/07 01:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can you get any pics? How did your cakes get 'overlayed'?
Did you let them get too dry? You may be able to salvage them if you just dunk them again...
Don't try to crumble those...
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Re: Overlay preventing fruiting on cakes, how to save... [Re: BlehMaestro]
#6798370 - 04/17/07 03:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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First, some background. What are the cakes made of? Anything you've done in making the cakes, fruiting them, or any other part of the process which deviates significantly from the standard? What are you using to humidify? What's the light cycle? What are you doing for FAE? Why do you think your cakes are overlaying?
I think dunking and rolling ought to make the best of what sounds like a slightly difficult situation, but to give a good solution we could do with some info and photos.
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Re: Overlay preventing fruiting on cakes, how to save... [Re: exagram]
#6802776 - 04/18/07 02:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, sorry, this originally started here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6794790&page=0&vc=&PHPSESSID=#Post6794790 but I wanted to continue in a more relevant thread. In short, BRF PF-tek rice cakes. Problems I'm assuming was lack of FAE (my holes were pretty small although I was fanning twice daily) and too high temp (heatwave resulted in temp touching on incubation range). My hygrometer is doing funny things today but I'm pretty sure humidity has been constant at 95-99%, using perlite. Light cycle is indirect sunlight (and I guess my indoor light... is too much light bad? I've only heard of too little being bad).

I think its overlayed because once it was in the fruiting chamber the mycelium got ALOT thicker (and fluffy I guess, but slow growth, its not cobweb...), and because I'm not seeing any fruit body development on the cake itself. In (2) above, the mycelium is roughly half as thick as (1) was originally, which is maybe why I couldn't get the dry vermiculite to stick on well?
As you can see all growth is from the original vermiculite contamination barrier, the part which got colonized. Its clearest in (3) which happens to be fruiting sideways, in the others there's even fruit body growth underneath the cake.
Its a bad idea to crumble because now mycelium growth has halted?
Also, its PC Transkei (South African) which is infamous for its overlay... this was a first attempt on rice cakes but I already have an isolated strain growing on rye seeds to be done properly with casing...
Thanks guys.
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Re: Overlay preventing fruiting on cakes, how to save... [Re: Kinslayer]
#6802812 - 04/18/07 03:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Listen to what exagram says. Dunk and role your cakes after the first flush. This will help.
And for your information: Cakes ALWAYS show rapid growth of fluffy mycelium, when they are birthed in the FC. That's the way it works. So it's not overlay it it's actual sense for this just happens on casings as far as I know.
So, as I said, best thing you could do is to wait until the first flush is over, throw your harvested cakes into a bowl (or what ever) filled with normal tab water, put that bowl in the fridge for 12-24 hours, role the wet cakes in dry vermiculite and put them back in the FC.
Good luck!
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Re: Overlay preventing fruiting on cakes, how to save... [Re: Fahkface]
#6802844 - 04/18/07 04:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks... but the big question is why am i getting zero pinning on the cakes themselves, and only from the vermiculite at the bottom?
Cake (1) above was dunked and rolled about a week ago.. hasnt made any difference. I recall reading that overlay in this strain makes watering impossible though... so is it that the pinheads cant penetrate this layer or that the cake is too dry and only the vermiculite is getting the moisture?
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Re: Overlay preventing fruiting on cakes, how to save... [Re: Kinslayer]
#6802848 - 04/18/07 04:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's pretty normal that mushrooms appear only on the bottom. Well, I never had that problem but I've seen billions of pictures that showed the exact same phenomenon. I guess it has something to do with humidity. If I was a mushroom and 99.999 % of what I need was water, I would grow in a place that's moistures enough, instead of growing on a sport that's too dry for satisfying my needs a 100%. Wouldn't you too?
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