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You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be.
    #6794138 - 04/16/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

This is the most difficult lesson of all for me. Recently I have been seeing that most of my negative programs are still functioning on some level. Now that I have the time (early retirement) to tackle some of this in me, I am experiencing how absolutely painful and difficult this is at times. That's why I always and for so fucking many years tried to skip over this part of my transformational process. I didn't like how I felt and didn't want to fully feel it, and be it, so I was always looking for a way to skip over that work and just follow some rules or say some words and become what I felt I was meant to be. That's how I stayed stuck for 50 years. I see it all around me too IMO. (here a lot) Many professing beliefs that are not actualized and denying the mess that they really are. Noting good can come from this in my experience. One has to fully acknowledge and feel everything that they are (good bad ugly and messy) before forward movement can begin. You have to own yourself.

This is also what Veritas and I mean when we post about changing oneself before you try and fix the world. It's the same dilemma.

This is the hardest most painful and truly most worthwhile work I have ever done. In fact when I let myself feel pain fully I realize what I have been living with so much pain and covering it up with all my games for my whole life. I really don't want to live this way anymore. That's why I'm starting to be who I am. (Sometimes it really hurts and is uncomfortable.) I'm going to tackle the worlds problems later. First things first.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: Icelander]
    #6794278 - 04/16/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Belt it out, Sammy!

Whether I'm right.
Or whether I'm wrong.
Whether I find the place in this world or never belong.

I've gotta be me.
I've gotta be me.
What else can I be, but what I am .

I want to live.
Not nearly survive.
And I won't give up this dream of life that keeps me alive.

I've gotta be me .
I've gotta be me .
The dream that I see makes me what I am.

That faraway prize.
A world of success is waiting for me if I heed the call.
I won't settle down.
Won't settle for less,
As long as there's a chance that I can have it all.

I'll go it alone.
That's how it must be.
I can't be right for somebody else, If I'm not right for me.
I gotta be free.
I gotta be free.
Daring to try, to do it or die.
I gotta be me
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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: Icelander]
    #6794346 - 04/16/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Fantastic post! This is one of the things that meditation practice has taught me: the ability to be with whatever is happening at the moment, whether it is humiliating and depressing or wonderful and blissful. To be able to sit with whatever is in your mind, whatever conditioning is present or whatever ideas are present, or anything else, and sit with them without judging them as good or bad is a very liberating thing to do. Difficult because of our conditioned knee-jerk reactions, but wonderful when done.

:heart:


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: Icelander]
    #6794691 - 04/16/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I only/solely/just read the topic, but I like what I read!

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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: Gomp]
    #6794917 - 04/16/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

This is definitely where I am stuck now. I have the tools to change, the vision and the right ideas but I am still resisting the hard work which has to be done now. I don't know how to approach this. I suppose I have to be ready for alot of suffering.

It's hard to accept that most of my spiritual practices and attitude is really geared towards making my ego feel comfortable and not about making me become the person I want to be. I would ask for tips to increase my willpower so I can own myself but I know for myself that I would end up just increasing my ego's will. How do I let go of all this bullshit?


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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #6795007 - 04/16/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

watch the watcher watching what he watches
edit nothing from the process of watching what you watch

while there is nothing elitest about it,
this is a continuing transcendence technique that is available at any moment,
and it relieves you from any obligation to your ego as well while doing it.

if anything the slick little ego can identify with the sensation of becoming a pliant non-being in a cascade of watching watches.


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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6795084 - 04/16/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
watch the watcher watching what he watches





That statement made me dizzy
reminds me of a hall of mirrors... :psychsplit:

To watch the watcher makes the watcher watch. 

:heart: Peace :heart:

:hippie:

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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6795095 - 04/16/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

My ego doesn't like being called 'little'. :nono:


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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #6795328 - 04/16/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Quoiyaien said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
watch the watcher watching what he watches





That statement made me dizzy
reminds me of a hall of mirrors... :psychsplit:

To watch the watcher makes the watcher watch. 

:heart: Peace :heart:

:hippie:



and how about if a woodchuck could chuck wood.


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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6795336 - 04/16/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
My ego doesn't like being called 'little'. :nono:



i said ego not peepee
you have a huge peepee
everyone knows that


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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6795340 - 04/16/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

You are such a mother chucker...


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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #6795400 - 04/16/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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cowabunga_dude said:
This is definitely where I am stuck now. I have the tools to change, the vision and the right ideas but I am still resisting the hard work which has to be done now. I don't know how to approach this. I suppose I have to be ready for alot of suffering.

It's hard to accept that most of my spiritual practices and attitude is really geared towards making my ego feel comfortable and not about making me become the person I want to be. I would ask for tips to increase my willpower so I can own myself but I know for myself that I would end up just increasing my ego's will. How do I let go of all this bullshit?




Mostly we think about ourselves instead of feeling ourselves. It ain't easy to find those feelings when you been burying them for a long time but they still are apparent in all the little irratations of the day. Ken Keyes sez to watch the thought process and explore the suffering. That means you have to hang in when things feel uncomfortable and quit  trying to feel better. Feeling better comes naturally when there is nothing in the way. But I should talk. You have to find your own way here.:thumbup::mushroom2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: Icelander]
    #6795406 - 04/16/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

"Existence precedes essence." =)


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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6795595 - 04/16/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Skorpivo?


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But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: dblaney]
    #6795654 - 04/16/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

"In philosophy, "existence precedes essence", at the most basic level of understanding, is based on the idea of existence without essence. For humanity, it means that humanity may exist, but humanity's existence does not mean anything at least at the beginning. This concept can be applied at the individual level as well. The value and meaning of this existence—or essence—is created only later. As a result, the idea is an important concept in atheism. It directly and strongly rejects the traditional religious beliefs that a human has an essence (the soul) and that human existence has inherent meaning.

The concept was first formulated by Jean-Paul Sartre and is a key foundational concept of existentialism. Simone de Beauvoir uses this concept in her feminist existentialism to develop the idea that "one is not born a woman, but becomes one"."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_precedes_essence


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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6795661 - 04/16/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

You didn't answer his question.  :grin:

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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6795863 - 04/16/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
watch the watcher watching what he watches
edit nothing from the process of watching what you watch

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that is awesome

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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: Icelander]
    #6796326 - 04/16/07 07:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Everything good can come of the situation you describe. It led you to be who you are now...which IS who you are meant to be. If you change, then that is also who you are meant to be. The only force that determines who you are is yourself. In any case the whole of the self is a collection of ideas and ideas are dynamic, not static. You are always in a state of becoming.


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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6796828 - 04/16/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Although I appreciate what you are saying (actually, it comes very close to completely describing my outlook), I'm bothered by the statement 'the only force that determines who you are is yourself.' It's a beautiful idea, but I am uncertain if it is as an acheivable ideal.

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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: implicitli]
    #6796845 - 04/16/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Although I appreciate what you are saying (actually, it comes very close to completely describing my outlook), I'm bothered by the statement 'the only force that determines who you are is yourself.' It's a beautiful idea, but I am uncertain if it is as an acheivable ideal.




But it is true.
The only reason why it looks hard to achieve is because you think you're limited by other people.
You're only as limited as you let them limit you... I learned that by getting many wake-up calls... harsh ones. :wink:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

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Re: You have to be who you are before you can be what you are meant to be. [Re: implicitli]
    #6796896 - 04/16/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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implicitli said:
Although I appreciate what you are saying (actually, it comes very close to completely describing my outlook), I'm bothered by the statement 'the only force that determines who you are is yourself.' It's a beautiful idea, but I am uncertain if it is as an acheivable ideal.




It isn't an acheivable ideal if you are uncertain that it is. You have to look towards that ideal and analyze what steps you can take in this moment that will cultivate that state of mind.

When I was starting to become more aware as a human being, I would have experiences, mostly on marijuana, that contained a heightened sense of awareness and a more conscious, unobstructed state of being. I considered these "glimpses" of what laid ahead for me, and I made it my path to change myself so that the "glimpse" became my state of being's homeostasis. :wink: There is always more on the path, of course, its sort of like a wave (like a soundwave) that is spiraling upwards. :wink:

There is an opportunity in this moment for you to take the first step down a path towards higher levels of consciousness, and that step is to start to introduce new thoughts into your mind, to think in a conscious manner. :craven:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

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