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"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
    #6787399 - 04/14/07 05:11 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Somebody coined the phrase, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it," an obviously fallacial statement uttered tongue in cheek.

Yet another phrase that can be considered fallacial by The General Ruleis "Criminals always return to the scene of the crime."

Logic tells us these statements are fallacies and yet perhaps subconsciously we are compelled to repeat our mistakes whether or not we learn from them.

How does a continual recurrence contribute to personal growth? Is there an evolutionary influence at work towards the imaginary creativeness of ever and ever expanding justification for one's actions? Creative imagination is a highly prized commodity.

"Let see how they do it this time" could be the instigator and entertainment of every predicament.


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Re: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." [Re: Booby]
    #6787982 - 04/14/07 07:49 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, the absolute qualities of each statement interfere with free will and logic. However, I think they're usually used rhetorically and a logical inquiry into either of them unearths some truths that can be used but would guard against the absolutes.


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Re: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." [Re: Booby]
    #6788021 - 04/14/07 07:58 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

If you can't "get into something" and you don't get out, you get into a rut.


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Re: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." [Re: FocusHawaii]
    #6788046 - 04/14/07 08:04 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

a logical inquiry into either of them unearths some truths

For example, the Catholic Church used to insist that the Earth was a special divine creation of God who placed it at the center of the universe and set the sun, moon, planets, and stars in motion around the Earth.

When Galileo tried to show them they were wrong by pointing a telescope at Jupiter and demonstrating that Jupiter's moons orbit Jupiter, not the Earth, they Inquisitioned him and sentenced him to life in prison.

Today, history repeats itself in that the Church places humans in a special place above the animals, insisting that humans are divine creations of God and not "evolved from monkeys" as they like to put it even though all the evidence says were just smart animals, but animals nevertheless.

Good thing we don't allow Inquisitions any more, eh?


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." [Re: Diploid]
    #6788355 - 04/14/07 09:24 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

wasnt there a thread just like this a year or so ago?

man, that history...... its a bitch.


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Re: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6788369 - 04/14/07 09:26 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I think most of the threads here were done in the past to... :justdontknow:


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Re: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6788425 - 04/14/07 09:44 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
wasnt there a thread just like this a year or so ago?

man, that history...... its a bitch.




Someone wrote the song already:

"You go back Jack do it again
Wheel turnin' 'round and 'round
You go back Jack do it again"


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Re: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." [Re: Booby]
    #6788470 - 04/14/07 10:01 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

it's a revelation for me anyway.


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Re: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." [Re: Booby]
    #6789195 - 04/15/07 01:46 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

who said repeating history is a bad thing?


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Re: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6789200 - 04/15/07 01:47 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
I think most of the threads here were done in the past to... :justdontknow:




I'm starting to see/feel that.


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Re: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." [Re: Booby]
    #6789432 - 04/15/07 04:21 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Most historians cringe at talk of the "lessons of history." Trained as specialists and wary of sweeping comparisons, they flinch from attempts to make past events speak directly to current policy. They remind us of what makes circumstances unique, highlighting differences where others see similarities.

Politicians and policymakers, on the other hand, have few compunctions about drawing on historical analogies to frame and explain policy choices. Scholars may wince at their shallow thinking and imprecision, but such practitioners always have the last word. And even if we try to understand our world purely in its own terms, implicit, historically grounded beliefs -- in trends and turning points, analogies and metaphors, parallels and lessons -- inevitably shape our views. Better, then, to ask explicitly how history should inform our understanding of the present.




History and the Hyperpower


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Re: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6789667 - 04/15/07 08:04 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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ask explicitly how history should inform our understanding of the present.




History and the Hyperpower




From my own small point of view it looks like Iraq is shaping up to be another Vietnam. The suggestion you quote is a good one. Presumably the simulated re-creation of past events is a conscious endeavor for somebody and aside from the various political, pecuniary and just plain sanguinary pleasures of such recreations I wonder if indeed this is simply a manifestation of a higher principle, such as the shuffling and sorting of cards into their respective suits.

"Let's be sure of one thing, such and such a combination always results in such and such a consequence"- An algorithm


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