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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6787395 - 04/14/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Actually, a different source states that gold only dissolves in cyanide. :shrug:


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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6787396 - 04/14/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, you can grow your own gold using only a screwdriver and a container of orange juice. If you add toothpaste, you can make LSD.

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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6787397 - 04/14/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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So you are saying that two elements can combine to form a completely new element under certain conditions? In this case high amounts of heat, and under thees certain conditions it can actually cause a change in the nucleus of the Hydrogen and Helium to create or combine into a different nucleus of a Lithium atom?

This is quite new to me and very interesting. I am quite curious.




Its called fusion... thats how elements were made, from stars. Once the nucleus fuses, it creates energy...hence, the heat of the sun. i sense sarcasm... (if thats possible thru written words)

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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6787426 - 04/14/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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So you are saying that two elements can combine to form a completely new element under certain conditions? In this case high amounts of heat, and under thees certain conditions it can actually cause a change in the nucleus of the Hydrogen and Helium to create or combine into a different nucleus of a Lithium atom?

This is quite new to me and very interesting. I am quite curious.




Yes thats called nuclear fusion and it's responsible (along with a few other things) for everything you see around you!

An atom is made up of two or three components: a proton and neutron in the nucleus, surrounded by a cloud of electrons. The number of protons in the nucleus is the most important thing to remember for each element: hydrogen has 1 proton, helium has 2, lithium has 3, and gold has 79.

Fusion then is the process of fusing to atoms together, by sticking their protons together. If you fuse two hydrogen atoms, you'll have a helium atom. 1 + 1 = 2

Things in reality are a little more complicated, due to the presence of neutrons in the nucleus of everything except hydrogen.


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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #6787457 - 04/14/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Yes, you can grow your own gold using only a screwdriver and a container of orange juice. If you add toothpaste, you can make LSD.




That's wrong. You have to pour the mixture onto potato bread and bury it for 10 days until you can get LSD from it.

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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: HighTek]
    #6787460 - 04/14/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Really. So where are the electrons? I guess that valence has everything to do with the combination of atoms to create molecules and compounds, but we are actually talking about the creation of the atoms themselves, right?

So does everything begin with a burning ball of Hydrogen? Or is it plasma that we are talking about? Is it the same thing?


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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6787477 - 04/14/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

plasma is a state of matter....ionized gas. Since its ionized, it means that it carries a charge...so it has electrons. The ionized gas is heated by the fusion that is going on inside the star.

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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6787479 - 04/14/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Trendal: Thanks, this is all starting to make a little more sense. So what you are trying to say is that the gold on earth has a set or determined combined molecular weight that will not change over time ever. I guess unless it came from space somehow???

SO gold is not grown like a diamond or precious gem? Or not grown at all on our planet, correct?


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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6787499 - 04/14/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

So plasma is ionized gas that contains electrons, but if the nuclei of the gas is not bound to the actual electrons are they just freely roaming?

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Since its ionized, it means that it carries a charge...so it has electrons.




I thought it only carries a charge if the electrons and protrons are not equally balanced? Does it contain electrons that are just unproperly balanced with the protrons? I think i may be confusing this with radicals however.


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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6787518 - 04/14/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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I was told that gold on quarts is worth much more then the gold by itself, this is because it is shown in it's natural state of development. I am not positive but i have heard that gold grows on quarts.



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I am most concerned because gold is an element, the building blocks of everything we know that exists. Elements to my knowledge are the most basic form of matter, and the smallest building block we know of that matter is comprised of.



Forms (states) of matter are Liquid, gas, solid, plasma... Elements is matter broken down to its simplest stage.
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The very first laws of chemistry i have learned is the basic conservation of matter. This law states that matter cannot be created or destroyed. If this is true then how is gold grown or created by mother nature?



Matter undergoes structural change to make these elements. Nuclear fusion...etc.

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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6787528 - 04/14/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Actually, a different source states that gold only dissolves in cyanide. :shrug:




I heard the most common way used to purify or refine gold today is mixture of Nitric and HCl Acid which is called aqua regina.  My friend uses this to extract gold from broken computer parts, disk drives, and any other gold containing components. He has showed me a 3 oz. nugget that he extracted from his computer parts. He owns a technical recyclers warehouse so he gets to play with a lot of that kind of stuff.


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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6787536 - 04/14/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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So plasma is ionized gas that contains electrons, but if the nuclei of the gas is not bound to the actual electrons are they just freely roaming?

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Since its ionized, it means that it carries a charge...so it has electrons.




I thought it only carries a charge if the electrons and protrons are not equally balanced? Does it contain electrons that are just unproperly balanced with the protrons? I think i may be confusing this with radicals however.




"Ionized" means that at least one electron has been dissociated from, or added to, a proportion of the atoms or molecules.
Wikipedia Plasma (physics)

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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6787544 - 04/14/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Trendal: Thanks, this is all starting to make a little more sense. So what you are trying to say is that the gold on earth has a set or determined combined molecular weight that will not change over time ever. I guess unless it came from space somehow???

SO gold is not grown like a diamond or precious gem? Or not grown at all on our planet, correct?




Yes! Gold has 79 protons and it will always have 79 protons. Whatever gold is on Earth now, was on it to begin with. It came from the cloud of stardust that the Earth formed from. It was originally some hydrogen/helium inside a star that was fused together x number of times until it became gold and was spewed out into space by the exploding star.

Gold is not grown like a diamond or precious stone. It isn't made from any natural source on Earth.


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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: HighTek]
    #6787551 - 04/14/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Here's gold nuggets, as found in rivers and mineral deposits:





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Atoms are protons, electrons, and neutrons...perhaps you meant the Gold molecule?




The relationship is thus: the number of protons in the nucleus determines which atom it is. Protons need glue to stick them together, and this glue are neutrons. Within reasonable limits, the number of neutrons in the nucleus is negotiable. If there's too little of them the nucleus will fall apart, if there are too many neutrons in the nucleus, the surplus will be kicked out of the atom with speeds in the order of tens of thousands of miles per second. The number of neutrons determines the isotope of the atom.

Electrons are the biggest sluts of the universe: they dance around the nucleus, but will do so around any nucleus that wants some. If the TV or carpet gives you a static shock, this is a bunch of them entering, or leaving you for someone else. When a nucleus gets too excited, the electrons are the first to abandon ship. Sluts I tell you!
These bare nuclei are called a plasma.

So what makes an atom? Screw electrons, who needs em! If you got gold heated to a plasma of say 10.000'C the electrons will make a run for it in a tremendous zap of electricity, and you're left with a luminous gas. If that cools, the gold nuclei will attract electrons from the flask, the guy holding the flask and the planet he stands on, and condenses on the walls and solidifies to gold as we know it.

The neutrons are negotiable, but gold as we know it is a bit choosy. If you add an extra neutron to it it spits it out in a short while, as screaming neutron radiation. For this reason a nuke is way more dangerous if it goes off in a gold box, than when it goes off in the open air or soil. But if you happen to have a bucket of gold that's got one less neutron than found here on earth I'll merrily take that unnatural gold off you :grin:

The only thing that to me proves an object is extraterrestrial is if it has unusual numbers of neutrons in its atoms: this is a sign that it is made from the stardust of other stars than the few who were in our neighborhood these past billion years.

The thing that really determines which atom you have is the number of protons in it. If you put some hydrogen atoms on a platinum anvil and give it a godforce whack then the platinum will absorb a hydrogen atom and become a gold atom. Or you can take a chisel and chip a proton off of mercury, which turns that into gold. The problem is that you have to give it such a beastly wallop that to create the gold thats in one of these nuggets above, the smack of your hammer will wipe out a large part of your town. No gold nugget is remotely worth investing so much energy on, so these whacks are usually only given to create atoms and isotopes unknown to science, as studying these advances the knowledge of mankind significantly.

Oh and we're not stuck with a fixed amount of gold on earth. Earth is a dustball that attracts more and more stardust. Even as we speak, gold and platinum are raining down on us from the heavens, and there is gold and platinum in every breath you take, gold and platinum that has freshly rained down from the universe.


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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: Asante]
    #6787580 - 04/14/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

as screaming neutron (beta) radiation.

Beta radiation is either an electron or positron at high velocity.

Neutron radiation is just called neutron radiation :wink:



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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: HighTek]
    #6787595 - 04/14/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Atoms are protons, electrons, and neutrons...perhaps you meant the Gold molecule?




No, I meant atoms. Pure gold is just a large clump of gold atoms. A molecule is more than one atom chemically bonded to each other. Most stable elements in their pure for are just a bunch of atoms clumped together, with the exception of ones like hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, fluorine, bromine, and iodine which exist as diatomic molecules in nature(H2, O2, N2, F2, Br2, I2)


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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: GreenScreen]
    #6787605 - 04/14/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Atoms are protons, electrons, and neutrons...perhaps you meant the Gold molecule?




No, I meant atoms. Pure gold is just a large clump of gold atoms. A molecule is more than one atom chemically bonded to each other. Most stable elements in their pure for are just a bunch of atoms clumped together, with the exception of ones like hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, fluorine, bromine, and iodine which exist as diatomic molecules in nature(H2, O2, N2, F2, Br2, I2)




Yeah, ur right...sorry...

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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: trendal]
    #6787611 - 04/14/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

OK thanks for all the info. It will take a minute to soak it all in. I will do some reading and maybe that will help as well. Thanks again.

I am just curious because i got back from my first gold mining and gem mining adventure just recently.

Just curious does anyone know how Ruby and Sapphire have the exact same chemical composition but could be many different colors? Aluminum Oxide AL2 O3. Same with diamonds. It is just a bunch of Carbon atoms, but somehow the atoms can be different colors? Does anyone know what causes this?


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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: HighTek]
    #6787618 - 04/14/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Don't worry about it. I wasn't bitching or anything, I just went back and read it and it sounded like I was a little, I didn't mean it like that though. :smile:


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Re: How do we get gold? Is it created, grown, or is it just there? Conservation of matter??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6787624 - 04/14/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

impurities, structural anomalies...

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