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 happyman
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 are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? 
#6785075 - 04/13/07 10:08 PM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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I am particularly interested in shrooms and MDMA.
do they have physical damage on the mind?
or will they mess up a mind that is still developing?
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: happyman]
#6785078 - 04/13/07 10:11 PM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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Please research.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: happyman]
#6785079 - 04/13/07 10:11 PM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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MDMA is not a hallucinogen
For further research on their side effects:
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6785083 - 04/13/07 10:13 PM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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thanks and sorry i didnt look first
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DeathCompany
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: happyman]
#6785238 - 04/13/07 11:16 PM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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It has been shown MDMA causes brain damage in higher doses and in excess use. This consists of destruction of 5ht2 receptors. They get destroyed as serotonin is released and will grow back but only half ass. Shrooms do not cause any physical brain damage. I suggest using the search engine for more in depth information
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: happyman]
#6785467 - 04/14/07 12:27 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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Quote:
happyman said:
I am particularly interested in shrooms and MDMA.
do they have physical damage on the mind?
or will they mess up a mind that is still developing?
Shrooms
Most e you find on the streets will not be just MDMA. So if you're going to try MDMA then be patient and find MDMA. If you're buying pressed pills that are all kinds of crazy colors and have all kinds of crazy names then you are most likely about to down an assortment of drugs along with a smidgen of MDMA. I bet you already knew that, but I'm amazed at how many friends i have that cant even fathom the amount of other drugs in their pills. Some are even cut with caffeine!! haha. Choose wisely my friend. unless you're in to that sort of random drug cocktail scene.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
#6785559 - 04/14/07 01:00 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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Quote:
Polyrhythmanaut said:
Quote:
happyman said:
I am particularly interested in shrooms and MDMA.
do they have physical damage on the mind?
or will they mess up a mind that is still developing?
Shrooms
Most e you find on the streets will not be just MDMA. So if you're going to try MDMA then be patient and find MDMA. If you're buying pressed pills that are all kinds of crazy colors and have all kinds of crazy names then you are most likely about to down an assortment of drugs along with a smidgen of MDMA. I bet you already knew that, but I'm amazed at how many friends i have that cant even fathom the amount of other drugs in their pills. Some are even cut with caffeine!! haha. Choose wisely my friend. unless you're in to that sort of random drug cocktail scene.
Fuck that is so rediculous. Around my parts no one even knows what pure MDMA is  Not even me!!! haha
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: happyman]
#6785562 - 04/14/07 01:01 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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didn't you learn anything from Mr. Mackey?
Drugs are bad.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: demiu5]
#6785631 - 04/14/07 01:23 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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I guarantee you that no drug will physically damage your mind.
that being said...
www.erowid.org
they have a health section on MDMA and there is info on health under the Mushrooms FAQ, they don't have a dedicated health section for mushrooms. Probably because there is no need for one.
Erowid is always a great place to start for pretty much any substance, and they have tons of links and info.
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DeathCompany
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Quote:
JstHereFrTheCake said:
I guarantee you that no drug will physically damage your mind.
thats a mighty bold statement you are making and its quite wrong. I suggest you do some reading yourself.
Edited by DeathCompany (04/14/07 02:06 AM)
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: DeathCompany]
#6785708 - 04/14/07 02:20 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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Quote:
JstHereFrTheCake said:
I guarantee you that no drug will physically damage your mind.
 seven words for you: Dh-a-tur-a
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: DeathCompany]
#6785711 - 04/14/07 02:23 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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Actually, since the mind is not physically manifest, you cannot physically harm it. Psychologically on the other hand.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: AlCapwn]
#6785744 - 04/14/07 02:41 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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Hey good call, I might be one toke over the line tonight. 
Doesn't meth reduce tissue size? Or are you refering to the mind that exists outside of the brain? 
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: schmutzen]
#6785749 - 04/14/07 02:44 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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I made a distinction between the mind and the brain. (they are two different things after all)
But I was just being a smart ass.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: AlCapwn]
#6785763 - 04/14/07 02:49 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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A smartass is better than a dumbass. 
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: schmutzen]
#6785768 - 04/14/07 02:51 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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Agreed.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: AlCapwn]
#6785857 - 04/14/07 03:54 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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MDMA is bad for the brain. effects dopamine/serotonin receptors and is proven to cause depression and destroy memory/concentration.
shrooms/lsd on other hand proven not to have any effects in heavy or long-term use. YAY
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: retrospect]
#6785956 - 04/14/07 05:33 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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Drugs that will harm your brain physically are Meth, Alcohol and Inhalants, and Ketamine, PCP and DXM if you believe that Olney's lesions are real.
Datura does not damage the brain physically, but mentally it can do....stuff.
MDMA will oxidize (burn) serotonin receptors, actually the dopamine that is being picked up by serotonin receptors because serotonin itself is depleted from the experience. You can counteract this damage with 5HTP, Vitamines B and C, and Magnesium, which will also make the comedown much more pleasant than it is. Some studies say that the damage is not permanent. Actually, this damage is the least danger of MDMA. Folks get screwed from mixing with other drugs (alcohol and uppers), dehydration, or, ironically, water intoxication.
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Edited by ROX (04/14/07 05:35 AM)
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: schmutzen]
#6786028 - 04/14/07 06:57 AM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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Quote:
namaste said:
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JstHereFrTheCake said:
I guarantee you that no drug will physically damage your mind.
seven words for you: Dh-a-tur-a
I can vouche for the Dh-a-tur-a being very dangerous.
1 1/2 weeks in I.C.U at my local hospital when I was 18.
To this day I still have Kidney problems.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: Baph]
#6786142 - 04/14/07 08:11 AM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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Yes but ti doesn't harm the BRAIN in a physical way
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: ROX]
#6786166 - 04/14/07 08:23 AM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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Quote:
ROX said:
Datura does not damage the brain physically, but mentally it can do....stuff.
Just curious if you had any sources/references? Also, that's assuming that one LIVES through the experience.
"There have been many instances of teenagers looking for a cheap high poisoning themselves to death on datura.
The doses that cause noticeable effects, and the doses that can kill are very close with datura. This makes overdosing on Datura stramonium very easy. This can be fatal; it can cause fevers in the 105-110 (40-43°C) range which is a range that can kill brain cells, and lead to brain damage. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: schmutzen]
#6786187 - 04/14/07 08:31 AM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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every hallucinogen is different and therefore you can not make the generalization that they are either good or bag for you.
shrooms and acid are safe. so stick with those and your good. salvia i have no idea about, but ive been smoking it for almost a year now and i dont think its done anything to me.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: Drewwyann]
#6786265 - 04/14/07 08:56 AM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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I made no such generalization, I don't even believe in good or bad.
I think sally has been slowing fixing my brain actually. 
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: schmutzen]
#6787181 - 04/14/07 02:14 PM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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gota love the anti depressant effect.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: happyman]
#6787185 - 04/14/07 02:15 PM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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ROFL!
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I believe with the advent of acid we discovered new way to think and it had to
do with piecing together new thoughts of mind. Why is it that people think it's
so evil? What is it about it that there is scares people so deeply? Because
they are afraid that there is more to reality than they have ever confronted.
That there are doors that they're afraid to go in and they don't want us to go
in there either because if we go in, there we might learn something that they
don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: happyman]
#6787206 - 04/14/07 02:20 PM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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Quote:
happyman said:
or will they mess up a mind that is still developing?
from this statement you practically revealed that you are too young to be here!
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: Gr33nTree73]
#6787210 - 04/14/07 02:20 PM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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or a parent worried for their child...
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: kija]
#6787228 - 04/14/07 02:26 PM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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kija said:
or a parent worried for their child...
I some how doubt it, I don't think most parents with questions in regards to their child using psychoactives would end up here. They'd probably be stuck surfing the government anti-drug friendly WebMD.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: Gr33nTree73]
#6787299 - 04/14/07 02:49 PM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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I know some parents that keep track of their child by watching posts on forums and try to find the TRUE answers (not media portrayed)
about entheogens, even know the child is over 20 and does not live with them. why not others.
What they need to understand is that you will not fully understand at all, unless he/she has had an ego loss and has been in the thick of it.
It is just not a language that can be spoken in human words.
anyways maybe not the case here....
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: kija]
#6789744 - 04/15/07 07:21 AM (17 years, 5 days ago) |
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Yes drugs will affect you mentally and physically.look at keith richards,his face is a bloody mess.I can tell you my own excesses of mescaline has affected me in a irreparable way.So my advice to you is moderation in everything you do.
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: schmutzen]
#6789804 - 04/15/07 08:16 AM (17 years, 5 days ago) |
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Quote:
namaste said:
Just curious if you had any sources/references? Also, that's assuming that one LIVES through the experience.
"There have been many instances of teenagers looking for a cheap high poisoning themselves to death on datura.
The doses that cause noticeable effects, and the doses that can kill are very close with datura. This makes overdosing on Datura stramonium very easy. This can be fatal; it can cause fevers in the 105-110 (40-43°C) range which is a range that can kill brain cells, and lead to brain damage. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium
Do you have any source that it IS neurotoxic? Because I've looked for that before, and found it only mentioned in one text that didn't really look scientific.
And yes, I know Datura is a poison, but we're talking about neurotoxicity, which it is not.
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Edited by ROX (04/15/07 08:17 AM)
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Re: are Hallucinogens bad for your brain? [Re: ROX]
#6789836 - 04/15/07 08:37 AM (17 years, 5 days ago) |
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Nope, I guess the jury is still out on this one.
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