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Red brusing on cubensies mycellium?
    #6782475 - 04/13/07 09:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm new to cultivation and have had luck thus so far in terms of using the PF Tek method, I have about 8 rice cakes in terrarium using a 10 gallon aquarium and perlite. The temperature is kept constant at 76 degrees and 95% relative humidity.

I noticed when touching the cakes at all, not that I'm trying to, or any form of them making contact with anything causing a red staining or bruising of sorts to occur on the mycellium.

I have checked very closely and carefully for any form of contamination completely during the entire process and I took sterile technique into the utmost consideration. I believe the strains used where Golden Teacher and Star Gazer.

I'm hoping there isn't anything wrong with this, I've never read about this type of color or brusing of the mycellium before. Any ideas ?

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: splices0]
    #6782531 - 04/13/07 10:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

odd, Never heard of it either, I am finding it hard to believe its bruising just because it should ONLY bruise blue. (Correct me if im wrong somebody)

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: splices0]
    #6782536 - 04/13/07 10:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

never heard of red bruising...take a q tip and swipe the area in question..if it wipes onto the q tip its a contam..if it doesnt ,its brusing:)

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Re: Red bruising on cubensis mycelium? [Re: CaptainKirk]
    #6782550 - 04/13/07 10:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

captainKirk said:

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take a q tip and swipe the area in question..if it wipes onto the q tip its a contam..if it doesn't ,its bruising




Now that's a pretty spiffy way of doing things!!

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: Giblet]
    #6782551 - 04/13/07 10:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

no... you are right... they should ONLY bruise blue (blueish, purplish, depending on the bruise...)
I have never seen red anything on any of my cultures except for an infection.. Are you touching them after you commit a murder? That would stain them... haha... From what I remember is that the blue staining occurs when the surface of the shroom gets ruptured at all, even just by the slightest touch, when the psilocybin and psilocyn get in contact with air, they get that blue.... I also heard that they stain worse without gloves than with them (when you touch them) because the oils in your hands react with something in the shroom...

But yea.. long story short, I had the chicken and red staining on a Ps. is very weird...

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #6782561 - 04/13/07 10:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

AAAHHH.....But he's talking 'bout cakes;
Not individual shrooms.........Correct?

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #6782566 - 04/13/07 10:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ok guys, here's a quiz. This is a pf cake when the lid was first opened. Infection or not? Answer later.
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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6782568 - 04/13/07 10:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

infection or rust from the lid.... chuck it

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6782569 - 04/13/07 10:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
Ok guys, here's a quiz. This is a pf cake when the lid was first opened. Infection or not? Answer later.
RR






No? isn't it just metabolites?

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6782572 - 04/13/07 10:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm gonna say shroom-cancer

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: ApJunkie]
    #6782575 - 04/13/07 10:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

looks like rust to me...hmmff..;)

*edit -reply to RR

Edited by CaptainKirk (04/13/07 10:37 AM)

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: CaptainKirk]
    #6782586 - 04/13/07 10:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

it looks like wust, but in the pic, you can see the lid... I dont see any rust on it... but its for sure not good... anything but shrooms, blue, and substrate colored things in your culture should be considered bad and taken out of the colony... are all of your cakes doing that? How did you cook them?

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #6782597 - 04/13/07 10:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

use the reply feature..dont think your replying to me;)i dont play with cakes..strickly grain/poo here

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #6782600 - 04/13/07 10:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I would say myc. piss, squirting through something cob-webish.

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6782631 - 04/13/07 10:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The answer is metabolites. Completely normal, and this cake went on to flush several times. Mycelium often produces metabolites of different colors depending on what infection they're fighting. This red color was on the top of the verm barrier where the mycelium had worked it's way up to where contaminants had entered through the vent hole and were laying dormant on the verm barrier. When the mycelium reached that spot, it produced metabolites(antibiotic compounds) to kill the mold spores or bacteria that were present in that location.

Touching your cakes can leave all sorts of nasties on them, which the mycelium then produces antibiotic compounds to ward them off.

The other thing that can produce color is Geotrichum, but it will usually be apparent as a mold and spreading rapidly. If your red color was where it was touched and is not spreading, then it's most likely metabolic discharges, which are the stuff antibiotics prescribed by doctors are made from.
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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6782655 - 04/13/07 11:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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The answer is metabolites. Completely normal, and this cake went on to flush several times. Mycelium often produces metabolites of different colors depending on what infection they're fighting. This red color was on the top of the verm barrier where the mycelium had worked it's way up to where contaminants had entered through the vent hole and were laying dormant on the verm barrier. When the mycelium reached that spot, it produced metabolites(antibiotic compounds) to kill the mold spores or bacteria that were present in that location.

Touching your cakes can leave all sorts of nasties on them, which the mycelium then produces antibiotic compounds to ward them off.

The other thing that can produce color is Geotrichum, but it will usually be apparent as a mold and spreading rapidly. If your red color was where it was touched and is not spreading, then it's most likely metabolic discharges, which are the stuff antibiotics prescribed by doctors are made from.
RR




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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6782671 - 04/13/07 11:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

id also like to point if people paid attention to things like file names, they would have been able to answer RR's question pretty easily since the image is labeled "metabolites_in_oyster_pf_jar_004.jpg" :wink:

Yet another reason why paying attention to details is important :wink:


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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6782695 - 04/13/07 11:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

WOW, great answer. In the places that are red, is it safe to say that area will not fruit ?? I'm going to post a pic of the cakes in question here momentarily.

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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6782734 - 04/13/07 11:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Here is four pictures of the cakes with the red in question:





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Re: Red brusing on cubensies mycellium? [Re: splices0]
    #6782750 - 04/13/07 11:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

its in the fight of its life!!!!! hahaha...

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