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mushrooms pushing mycellium away
    #6778467 - 04/12/07 09:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Good day,

Something i find very odd is happening to my grow.

I put my grain covered mycellium in plastic boxes and taped the sides so no light could enter. i put them in a glass terrarium.

indirect sunlight enters my room, also i use a 480nm uv light in the afternoon and night.

Misting happens through 2 buckets (1 bucket purely for air movement the other containing a mister)

Casing consists of 100% vermiculite spread evenly though not smooth.

The strange thing that happens, is that instead of growing on the top of the casing, they form lower on the sides, pushing the casing and the grain away from the side making long gaps and growing there in various directions.
I find this very frustrating for the obvious reasons that they grow in various directions. and that it will be very hard to pick them.

The stranger is, that no light is present on the sides in any way! not that i am aware of that is.

Growing conditions are optimal, exept for droplets showing on the inside of the plastic container (they werent full) about a cm of plastic is showing.

Can these droplets on the side be related to the condition or does the plastic refract the light ( 480nm uv light) in such a way that the sides somehow create better conditions?

I have read ALOT, i didnt expect this. did i start fruiting conditions to early... any suggestions, or ways i can combat this?

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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: virus1824]
    #6778469 - 04/12/07 09:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i'l try to include pics when i can.


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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: virus1824]
    #6778648 - 04/12/07 11:29 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They grow down there because that's the best environment for them to grow. Vermiculte is the worst possible choice of a casing layer, so I'm sure they're just avoiding it. Get rid of the UV light. It's harmful to mycelium. Use fluorescent lighting.

The plastic reflects light very well, and the high humidity environment along the edges is perfect for pins to form. Just leave them be at this point. The mycelium picked the best spot to fruit from. Often, monster mushrooms grow from the edges.
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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: virus1824]
    #6778678 - 04/12/07 11:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You will rpobably find that the moisture and humidity down the sides of the trays is greater than on the top, so the mushies choose to grow there! As the cake shrinks light will start to reach the sides of the substrate anyway, but best i can suggest is regularly mist and fan the casing!

Anyone disagree?? Bit of a noob myself, just goin off what i've read elsewhere.

Hope it sorts itself!


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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6778808 - 04/12/07 12:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The mycelium picked the best spot to fruit from.  Often, monster mushrooms grow from the edges.
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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6779543 - 04/12/07 04:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Vermiculte is the worst possible choice of a casing layer,Get rid of the UV light. It's harmful to mycelium. Use fluorescent lighting.
RR




This is strange since EVERY casing tek contains 50% if not all vermucilite. and as far as i know it does the 3 things which are required for a casing to do correct me if im wrong please.

The lighting isnt really uv, it IS a fluoresecent beam with blue light that does slightly lit up blacklight sensitive items which is perfect for algea.

Still what tactics can i use to prevent this side pinning from happening next time?


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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: virus1824]
    #6779625 - 04/12/07 04:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ive read from lots of posts that 100% verm is a great casing layer my self, but i have had problems, actually the exact same problems as this guy, no myc pokes through the verm, it gets heavy on the sides and eventually pins form on the sides....im gonna try somthing other then plain verm this time

anyone know why? ive seen pics of people having awsome casings with just verm but idk how they do it


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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: MrCubensis]
    #6781619 - 04/13/07 01:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

indeed this sounds very strange for me, why should the fungi avoid the verm layer all together, misting happend in regular times, there was no overwatering so it wasnt a compact layer.


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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: virus1824]
    #10092665 - 04/02/09 07:18 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

sorry to bring an oldy back. but i do wish to reply.

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Vermiculte is the worst possible choice of a casing layer,Get rid of the UV light. It's harmful to mycelium. Use fluorescent lighting.
RR




for fun sakes i went to your website and checked out the casing video you put there which consists of a 50/50 peat/Vermiculite

So if you address to me Vermiculte is the worst possible casing layer? please explain.

1. why?
2. why is everyone using it if it is so bad
3. why are you using it in your videos?

This is not ment as an offence but i do ask why you came to that conclusion.


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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: virus1824]
    #10092803 - 04/02/09 08:10 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Straight verm = not good

Verm/peat = Good!

lol, dont ask me why.


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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: iskinbash]
    #10092816 - 04/02/09 08:15 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Well i am asking. The only reason i can come up with is that with peat you can see the discolorization of the casing layer. but that doesnt state that vermilculite is bad or useless. As far as i know vermiculite is being used to keep up humididty and form a protective layer. which in that case its doing a damn good job.


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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: virus1824]
    #10092836 - 04/02/09 08:22 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I believe peatmoss can retain much more moisture. and verm will make the mix more airy.

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agar said:
Verm flattens out like a blanket & does not provide a good microclimate for pin formation.


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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: iskinbash]
    #10092866 - 04/02/09 08:31 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

contradicting statement, stating verm will make the mix airy and then state a source which says it flattens out and does not provide a good micro climate.

Although i highly respect agar and RR alike, i doubt this. i always allow for valley's in the casing (which MC states is good for microclimate and primorida formation) i never seen my casing flatten out. removing the tiny valley's it has.

I dont find this a satisfactory answer. when im at home i try to look up the source where i found my information.
In threads i read, i have never seen peat used for this purpose or reason to use. only to show discolorization.

please correct me!


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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: virus1824]
    #10092911 - 04/02/09 08:46 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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virus1824 said:
sorry to bring an oldy back. but i do wish to reply.

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Vermiculte is the worst possible choice of a casing layer,Get rid of the UV light. It's harmful to mycelium. Use fluorescent lighting.
RR




for fun sakes i went to your website and checked out the casing video you put there which consists of a 50/50 peat/Vermiculite

So if you address to me Vermiculte is the worst possible casing layer? please explain.

1. why?
2. why is everyone using it if it is so bad
3. why are you using it in your videos?

This is not ment as an offence but i do ask why you came to that conclusion.




There is no contradiction.  I have stated for years that 100% vermiculite is a horrible choice for a casing layer.  The 'gold standard' for casing species which benefit from a casing layer(which does NOT include P cubensis) is peat/verm supplemented with gypsum.

There is a huge difference between plain verm, and verm mixed half and half with peat.  It's important to keep things in context.
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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10092985 - 04/02/09 09:04 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

indeed for p. cubensis the casing is optional. and the casing is not really of importance. i still ponder why it is classified as 'the worst possible casing'

still i would like to thank you for your opinion and for responding in general.


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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: virus1824]
    #10093012 - 04/02/09 09:11 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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i still ponder why it is classified as 'the worst possible casing'




Because plain verm does not have the structure or the beneficial organisms to be an ideal casing material.  Verm mixed with peat does have the structure and beneficial organisms to be an ideal casing layer.  Search posts here for plain verm casings, and for every one you find with an even pinset, you'll find ten growers with plain verm casing layers asking why they only have pins around the edges.
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Re: mushrooms pushing mycellium away [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10093025 - 04/02/09 09:13 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

thankyou! this is the answer i was waiting for!


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