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97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis
    #6777702 - 04/12/07 03:01 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry about the quality of the pics, turns out I have a crap camera (or just don't know how to use it!!)

They were growing on a NZ native hardwood called Pohutukawa.

They were growing in clumps, have a rusty orange spore print and a very bitter taste



I even picked a few for a potential bioassay. The largest is about 15cm across, but from what I've just read I should've picked all the pins!!



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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6777724 - 04/12/07 03:12 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

yes, they are gyms.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6777745 - 04/12/07 03:19 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Did you see any green discolouration near the base or on the cap? The aborted pins tend to turn very green as well.

The green colour would be a good sign that it is active, though large specimens of G. junonius (syn: G. spectabilis) often do not show any greening.

Here is an example of green bruising at the base of G. luteofolius, a related active Gymnopilus species.



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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: CureCat]
    #6777755 - 04/12/07 03:23 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

no there was nothing like that... does that occur on spectabilis as well?


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6777760 - 04/12/07 03:24 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

big gym pin with some greening.
they dont always blue/green.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: coon]
    #6777767 - 04/12/07 03:28 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Glad we are all getting a chance to repeat one another.  :wink:


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: CureCat]
    #6777776 - 04/12/07 03:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I repeated something?


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: CureCat]
    #6777786 - 04/12/07 03:40 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

guess I did, sorry man.I'm outta here.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: coon]
    #6777792 - 04/12/07 03:43 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Did you see any green discolouration near the base or on the cap?  The aborted pins tend to turn very green as well.

The green colour would be a good sign that it is active, though large specimens of G. junonius (syn: G. spectabilis) often do not show any greening.




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no there was nothing like that... does that occur on spectabilis as well?



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big gym pin with some greening.
they dont always blue/green.




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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: CureCat]
    #6777803 - 04/12/07 03:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

:undecided:


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: coon]
    #6777806 - 04/12/07 03:47 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Soooorriees!!!!  :hug:


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: CureCat]
    #6777808 - 04/12/07 03:49 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

phew! glad we sorted that out


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6777816 - 04/12/07 03:56 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Ehehehehe.  :grin:

I say, to confirm your ID, look for some pins with green bruising like in the photos coon and i posted.
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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: CureCat]
    #6777826 - 04/12/07 04:05 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

you guys ever tried to eat these?


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6777836 - 04/12/07 04:10 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Not yet. But Coon has.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6777846 - 04/12/07 04:17 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

nice feeling,not so tasty.I cant anymore because of my job.money's more important than tripping for me, now.unfortunately.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: coon]
    #6777852 - 04/12/07 04:19 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

er, you still have weekends, right? I have a job too y'know. Although I do trip a lot less than I used to


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6777882 - 04/12/07 04:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

random piss tests.don't know if shrooms would show up,and not taking the chance.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: coon]
    #6777905 - 04/12/07 04:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

so A) you are sure these are spectabilis?
and B ) are they active?


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6777918 - 04/12/07 05:05 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

...... Okay man look.

If they are G. junonius (syn: G. spectabilis), then they are active.

If there is green bruising on any of the pins or other specimens, than they are likely G. junonius.

That is really the easiest way to make sure they are active.
We cannot give a positive ID because we cannot see the green colour in your photos, you will have to look carefully at your collection.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: CureCat]
    #6778306 - 04/12/07 09:58 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

take a tiny taste and see if its bitter.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6778684 - 04/12/07 01:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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you guys ever tried to eat these?




I have. They're awful. Pure bitter asshole. Good luck eating them.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: coon]
    #6778892 - 04/12/07 03:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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random piss tests.don't know if shrooms would show up,and not taking the chance.




Standard tests don't test for psychedelics.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6778940 - 04/12/07 03:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I agree that they are Gymnopilus, and I know of no members of that genus that are poisonous.


Edited by Alan Rockefeller (04/12/07 03:42 PM)


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: Gumby]
    #6778972 - 04/12/07 03:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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you guys ever tried to eat these?




I have. They're awful. Pure bitter asshole. Good luck eating them.





totally, those are honestly for me the hardest of all fungus to eat. Just the thought of that bitteryness makes me cringe. best bet, is to cap em up, or swallow them whole.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: snoot]
    #6779008 - 04/12/07 03:56 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Ive eaten gyms. Theyre horribly bitter. even in tea from my experience. not that powerful though unless its a good bluing one.

and Coon, for your drug tests, if theyre making you take piss tests, mushrooms dont appear on regular company screenings. Unless they do a Laboratory test which takes a large sum of money.

If you want a whole run down on that, then go to this page.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_testing.shtml

Sorry if i went off topic but, we're all talking about shrooms right? :mushroom2::grin:


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: Gumby]
    #6779099 - 04/12/07 04:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Phenylethylamines do and that would include peyote or mescaline. Also Nutmeg and mace will show up as phenylethlyamines, which is what they are chemically.

The standard drug test do not show psilocybine/psilocine or LSD which are indols.

While peyote, san pedro and mescaline are indols, they ar also chemically related to speed so they will show positive for those drugs.

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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6779227 - 04/12/07 04:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

99% of the gyms I picked had no bluing,but all were active.I can't say that yours are active because we found them in different regions.here's a pile of active gyms that look quite like yours,no blue on any.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: coon]
    #6779321 - 04/12/07 05:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Also please be minded that there are also kavalactones in this mushroom i which is so bitter, most do not want to eat them.

The other compounds in the Gym mushroom are the same found in Kava Kava: the Pacific Drug (Piper methysticum). SO some may get high on the Kava compounds and others on both or on Psilocybine/psilocine.

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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: coon]
    #6779336 - 04/12/07 05:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

theres pretty much no tests that test for shrooms. those are so incredibly rare. most people/employers wouldnt want to waste the money on something like that. and if its probation then yeah you made a good choice.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: Drewwyann]
    #6779495 - 04/12/07 05:55 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There are m tests for mushrooms if the person requitring the tests asks for them.

parents, judges, District Attorneys. They can ask the court for such a test.

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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6779922 - 04/12/07 08:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

well I cooked them up: made a tea out of them and the brew was so disgusting loking and pungent that I immediately tipped it down the sink disposal!! I'm not that desperate!!

I do hear they have different alkaloids in them than the regular psilocybian mushrooms though, so if anyone can come up with an alkaloid extraction/consuming method that doesn't involve a pile of gross smelly crap then I'm all ears...


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6779992 - 04/12/07 08:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

they contain psilocybin and other tryptamines


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6780094 - 04/12/07 09:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

One of my Darker Trips was on about 7 grams of Gym Spect's
And one of the best trips was on about 8 grams.
I literally laughed for three solid hours!
They do indeed taste like shit and even worse when you burp them an hour later!

Id say its not a thing of being desperate..
Its a mushroom that needs to be experienced in order to try and understand the Magic...;)
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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: snoot]
    #6780502 - 04/12/07 10:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Besides the tryptamines they contain kavalactones which are not tryptamines,. And those are only in G. spectabilis.

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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6780555 - 04/12/07 10:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

As a cautionary note I'd like to add that there have been some concerns linking kavalactones with hepatic toxicity:

http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5147a1.htm

Although the reported cases are minor compared to the amounts of kava consumed each year, it is still interesting to note.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6780664 - 04/12/07 10:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

what about the tryptamines and kavalactones,would they indicate dirty in a standard test?


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: coon]
    #6780759 - 04/12/07 11:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

No.

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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6782352 - 04/13/07 10:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Hey Curecat, do you have any more pics of those G. luteofolius you can post? I think I have spotted them around my area before, but didn't have a camera at the time and it's hard to find decent pics of luteofolius to refer to. I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one to benefit from some good lute pics.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: Woombleshamba]
    #6782690 - 04/13/07 01:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

What state are you in. I think the species is centralized to certain areas in the US.

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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6783524 - 04/13/07 04:55 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not in a State :S I'm Canadian :tongue:  Southern Ontario


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: Woombleshamba]
    #6783958 - 04/13/07 06:50 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

G. luteofolius is not reported from Ontario.wouldn't doubt they are there.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: coon]
    #6784096 - 04/13/07 07:34 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

oh yeah, It's Viridens I'm thinking of, it has been reported in Ontario, but I can't find pics. Even still, I've found mushrooms that looked similar to curecat's pic, so I'm curious now if maybe lutes grow here or if viridens is macroscopically similar??? hmmm...I'll let you more mycologically educated people think it over.


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: YESSUP]
    #6784637 - 04/13/07 10:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Id say its not a thing of being desperate..
Its a mushroom that needs to be experienced in order to try and understand the Magic...;)
Ya dig?




Yeah I'm down with that, and I would be really keen to try them if consuming them wasn't such a painful process...

I wonder, what would be the least painful? How would one reduce the mass of a dose and disguise the flavour?


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Re: 97% Sure these are Gymnopilus spectabilis [Re: haunted]
    #6785135 - 04/14/07 12:32 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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How would one reduce the mass of a dose and disguise the flavour?




Coffee grinder and peanut butter. Make yourself a PB and G sandwhich :laugh:


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