Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlinexmush
Professor ofDoom
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/22/05
Posts: 2,421
Loc: Jaw-juh
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Bluefoot is Psilocybe caerulipes and Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6774059 - 04/11/07 07:17 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Ahh once again MJ using a combination of ad hominem attacks, obscure quotations, and illegible writing of his own to prove nothing! I am not a proffesional mycologist, but I am a professional scientist, and my impression of guzman is that his scientific growth stopped right around the same time that taxonomy became dominated by DNA studies. I don't understand how someone can continue to publish descriptions of new species while turning a blind eye to molecular biology. This doesn't discredit his enormous body of work and astounding contributions to fungal taxonomy, but it should make one skeptical of his recent work.

And in the field of taxonomy, you basically get two kinds of scientists, lumpers and splitters. Lumpers like to find the commonalities between species, in an attempt to lump them together into 1 species. Splitters look for any differences they can identify in an attempt to create new species, which they then get the honor of naming. Guzman is clearly a splitter. But splitting in the absence of molecular information is nonsense. If Guzman was a mammalian taxonomist, we would have 1000s of species of domesticated dog as he would certainly split great danes from german shepards from poodles etc. etc., when in fact they are clearly the same species.


Extras: Unfilter Print Post Top
Offlinexmush
Professor ofDoom
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/22/05
Posts: 2,421
Loc: Jaw-juh
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Bluefoot is Psilocybe caerulipes and Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. [Re: shroomydan]
    #6774192 - 04/11/07 08:31 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Well said Father Dan.


Extras: Unfilter Print Post Top
Offlinexmush
Professor ofDoom
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/22/05
Posts: 2,421
Loc: Jaw-juh
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Bluefoot is Psilocybe caerulipes and Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6776069 - 04/11/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

mjshroomer said:
Regarding my earlier comments which xmush took a dive at me, I want to point out that you said you were a professional scientist. Well, someone with those credentials would never belittle or disavow the life research of another professional scholar, nor put him down or his methods of what he does. Especially ones who earned their positions.




You've clearly not spent much time around professional scientists. PIssing matches are the rule, not the exception. I apologize if I came off as belittling his life's research. In fact if you read what I wrote, I was trying only to cast doubt on his recent research, which appears to ignore the more cutting edge methods (molecular biology) in his field. I followed that up by paying homage to his life's work, which has brought us very far. However that type of work can only bring us so far in light of advancement of methods. And I only brought up the professional scientist part since your argument tactic against all others consists of hostility and personal attacks.

Quote:


I known several hundred scholars who are profession in that they have never said a negative word of others work. Something you seem to infer in regards to Guzmán's work.





I have no idea what that statement means or what I am meant to be inferring.


Quote:


Right now the primary focus of DNA studies in America and elsewhere are for law enforcement, to convict or free people wrongly convicted of rape or murder and for paternity.





This is the most outlandish of all of the outlandish things you have written on this site. I suggest perusing a basic molecular biology textbook and in the meantime, to quote you, 'don't post on that which you have no knowledge.'

MJ and others, the purpose of scientific work is to put forth ideas to the public so that they may be challenged, and challenged fiercly. Publishing papers is NOT science. Having the ideas in those papers challenged in open forums whether they be meetings and conventions, or a lowly internet bulletin board, is the foundation of scientific progress. Unchallenged ideas are worthless in science. And real scientists take no offense to criticism of their work.


Extras: Unfilter Print Post Top
Offlinexmush
Professor ofDoom
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/22/05
Posts: 2,421
Loc: Jaw-juh
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Bluefoot is Psilocybe caerulipes and Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6794178 - 04/16/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Interestingly, of the tens of thousands of journals that are available free to me through the two universities that I am affiliated with, the International Journal of Medicinal Mushrooms is not one of them. That typically means that a journal is not readily accepted as an important journal in its field, or it is relatively new.

mjshroomer, is this a pretty reputable journal that just flies under the radar or what? Do many mycologists read this journal?


Extras: Unfilter Print Post Top
Offlinexmush
Professor ofDoom
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/22/05
Posts: 2,421
Loc: Jaw-juh
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Bluefoot is Psilocybe caerulipes and Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6794644 - 04/16/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Excellent, thanks for the info. I was just surprised that there was no online access like I have to so many other journals.


Extras: Unfilter Print Post Top
Offlinexmush
Professor ofDoom
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/22/05
Posts: 2,421
Loc: Jaw-juh
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Bluefoot is Psilocybe caerulipes and Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6794726 - 04/16/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Actually most publishers make their journals available online for a subscription. I wouldn't say that 'online access is usually more so done with illegal copies.' I think that online access is the norm for most reputable journals. This subscription is paid for by the university, and then students and faculty at the university can access these materials for free. There is also a fair use policy such that professors can distribute these materials in the classroom. It is pretty rare these days for someone to actually browse the stacks at a university and make physical copies of an article. That's why I was surprised that neither of the two universities I am with had access to IJMM when they have subscription access to so many other journals.

Of course now we are getting off topic from the bluefeet. Suffice to say, it seems that IJMM is a reputable journal in your opinion, but it is not readily available at some universities.


Extras: Unfilter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* July 20th Hunt Paulrus 1,811 15 07/21/08 08:11 AM
by Paulrus
* Ohio River Islands National Wildlife Refuge [Bluefoot pics included] shroomydan 7,227 16 05/16/06 11:18 PM
by DaveTX
* Big bluefoot
( 1 2 all )
falcon 2,827 35 05/16/08 12:30 AM
by weiliiiiiii
* pan. subbs./blue foots/p. liniformans var americana/P. ovoideocystidiata/gymno's./conocybe smithii/ MichiganPsiloX 8,015 14 10/28/07 06:41 PM
by Phish_Dude
* Pennsylvania Mushrooms lukeduke711 1,159 1 06/23/08 07:07 PM
by Alan Rockefeller
* Maintaining Hardwood Log Instead Of Jar Growing? Agent 47 1,449 19 04/01/08 10:12 PM
by PinheadX
* Are these shrooms any good??? lukeduke711 1,201 10 03/22/08 08:49 AM
by xmush
* Its showtime! Rynkar 515 3 08/24/08 06:43 PM
by Rynkar

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: ToxicMan, inski, Alan Rockefeller, Duggstar, TimmiT, Anglerfish, Tmethyl, Lucis, Doc9151, Land Trout
31,059 topic views. 3 members, 9 guests and 6 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.023 seconds spending 0.004 seconds on 14 queries.